Cologne Imam Says ‘Things Will Happen’ If Women Wear Perfume And Dress Half-Naked

a reply to: anxiouswens


Believe it or not this arrange marriages still happen in modern days, here in the US too, I know, my daughter was friends with two Indians sisters and the older one after graduating from college was presented with a candidate husband that she never had met before and she had to marry, to make the story short, she agree to marry as per her Indian tradition, my daughter was part of the wedding celebrations as she was asked to participate, the girl was very unhappy and cried for a days before the wedding, her sister told her no to do it, but she did, marriage lasted only 6 months as she was taken to her husband family home to serve her husband and window father, she was a dentist and her husband a doctor, but she could not work it wasn't allowed, she ran away to Canada and her sister told her father that she was to Americanized to follow tradition she moved to Europe and made a Great career, Both girls are doing great, and living a happy life.

Sometimes traditions are soo outdated in modern times and they do not work nobody should scarify their happiness for traditions.

originally posted by: anxiouswens
I think there was something more to NYE in all the different Countries. I also wonder whether it was done on orders from somewhere. Rape and sexual assault on infidels is part of jihad and is done to break the people because it isnt just an attack on the woman but an attack on the men as well.

I seriously wonder whether the numbers congragated en masse to see how well prepared the Police in each of the Countries were if lets say sleeper cells for ISIS congragated en masse in lots of different cities simultaneously to carry out the greatest numbet of deaths whilst confusing the Police and to test the likelihood of being caught after the atrocities. Perhaps I am overthinking it though!

You've hit it right on.

The coordination NYE was absolute but the governments have stopped providing the press with their intel.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
I know it may seem that this thread is about hating Muslims. The thread is at 14 pages now and few people are going to come into a thread this long and read it beginning to end, but this thread is not about hating Muslims. It is about "a" Iman in Colonge making some misogynistic and derisive statements about women, and making them responsible for the rapes and sexual abuses that have occurred in Colonge.

posted on Jan, 20 2016 @ 03:53 PM

European women have nobody to blame but themselves for being attacked, sexually harassed, and sexually assaulted. How dare they dress provocatively and wear perfume! This is really the mindset! 

This reminds me, when are we going to get a new forum category called "Europe Burning" or something similar? 

So, what do YOU think? Do women deserve what they get if they dare dress, act, and smell "provocative"? 


dailycaller.com... 
A Cologne imam believes 521 victims of sexual assaults in the city on New Year’s Eve have themselves to blame for being half-naked and wearing perfume. 

Sami Abu-Yusuf, a cleric at a Salafist mosque in Cologne, spoke to Russian channel REN TV to explain why the unprecedented assaults happened. Abu-Yusuf said “it is not surprising the men wanted to attack them” because of their appearance. 

“If they walk half-naked and use perfume, then things will happen,” Abu-Yusuf said. “A man, a woman…it’s like a splash of oil into the fire.” 

Abu-Yusuf also criticized the public’s strong reaction to the assaults by saying people “need to react properly, and not add fuel to the fire.” 

It is obvious that the words of one single Muslim cause a Muslim hate here on ATS that is beyond every sense.
The Imam said that he tried to explain what happened to Russian Ren-TV, but that he was not of the opinion that women in Germany should not wear the clothes they want and not use perfume.

He stated now:

"Das war für einige Nordafrikaner Anlass, die Frauen zu begrapschen. Das heißt aber nicht, dass ich glaube, dass Frauen sich nicht so kleiden dürfen. Jeder hat das zu akzeptieren. Und wem das nicht passt, der muss in ein anderes Land gehen. Das ist die Wahrheit."

Translation: "That was the reason for some North Africans to grope these women. But this does not mean, that I think that the women should not dress like that. Everybody has to accept this. And whom this does not appeal, he then must go to another country. That is the truth."

Take his actual statement as backpedaling or be aware that Russian media are bombarding the world with false "facts" about the immigrants in Germany right now on a daily base.

Nevertheless this is not worth such attention. If our cardinale would say such nonsense the world would not even notice his words. And we had some stupid statements from our cadinales in the past.

Die Welt

As you said we are animals.

Animals are extremely territorial and live in groups where there is an hierarchy. Most animals protect females and offspring. Most defend their territory from animals from other groups to ensure there is enough food and natural resources for the goid of the group and to keep the group safe. Animals also kill and fight for the group.

I wonder how a big silverback gorilla would act if strange gorillas came into the midst of his group and starting mating with the females?

However, because we are so evolved as a species we try to squash the animalistic tendencies by name calling anyone who dares to be protective of their group and territory.

Europe and the UK need a few of the silverback gorilla types in my humble opinion to fight animal behaviour of intruders!

I a reply to: ForteanOrg

a reply to: NeoSpartan

Yes, the refugees are mostly havenots. So, yes, indeed, we should provide income / jobs to them ASAP and treat them with respect.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
I know it may seem that this thread is about hating Muslims. The thread is at 14 pages now and few people are going to come into a thread this long and read it beginning to end, but this thread is not about hating Muslims. It is about "a" Iman in Colonge making some misogynistic and derisive statements about women, and making them responsible for the rapes and sexual abuses that have occurred in Colonge.

Yes, and the Imam ought to be horsewhipped for his suggestion. But my premise remains the elephant in the room. Why does blaming the victim elicit such strong response from the community when it involves a Muslim on a soapbox? Where is the outrage on ATS when a cop asks about a woman's sexual habits when she reports being raped? And what is the difference?

And given the stats on the non-reporting of rapes in our western society, relative to the number of rapes committed by recent Muslim immigrants...I sense a certain hypocrisy from the echo chamber.
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I know it still happens in the UK. I volunteer in a Womens Refuge and work with women fleeing domestic violence and sexual violence. I have worked there for 14 years and still get shocked at some ofvthe stuff I hear and see.

I would say 50% are from ethnic minorities which is a lot compared to the overall population in the UK.

I have seen so many women trembling from head to toe, sometimes heavily pregnant, sometimes with 3 or 4 children in tow, sometimes without children because they have been firced to leave without them in the hope of getting them back later. I cant tell you the amount of times I have seen women wet themselves out of fear.

There are many from ethnic minorities who cant speak English fortunately there is a universal language between women where eyes meet one pair with fear and the other pair with compassion and understanding and a pair of arms to hug the fear away and reassure everything will be OK from now on.a reply to: marg6043

You're right. Rape and battery against women is a problem.

The EU should have allowed in 80% women and children under 10. That would have helped.

But now they're stuck with thousands more men than women and most of these men are not educated, might have been let out of prison, might be ISIS related...

And it's not just women they ideologically hold in contempt...it's all men and women who are not Islamic.

Smaller numbers, higher percentage of female to male, ...tough indoctrination programming. maybe that would help.

originally posted by: anxiouswens
As you said we are animals.

Yep. But many of us are quite smart animals.

Animals are extremely territorial and live in groups where there is an hierarchy. Most animals protect females and offspring. Most defend their territory from animals from other groups to ensure there is enough food and natural resources for the goid of the group and to keep the group safe. Animals also kill and fight for the group.

Agreed. Animals do all that.

I wonder how a big silverback gorilla would act if strange gorillas came into the midst of his group and starting mating with the females?

Not sure. I guess the females would not allow him, as he is not their mate. If he wants to impregnate the females, he'll first have to challenge the old leader, I guess. But I'm not a connoisseur of gorillastic behaviour

However, because we are so evolved as a species we try to squash the animalistic tendencies by name calling anyone who dares to be protective of their group and territory.

Just the other way around: because we aren't THAT evolved we can't squash our animalistic tendencies. The less smarts you have, the bigger the need to belong to a group, be part of a hierarchy, know your place in it and call those not in your group names.

Now, do me a favour. Look out of your window: do you see any refugees? The overwhelming majority of posters / readers here will have to admit they don't. But the one or two that do: tell me, are they robbing somebody, raping somebody? Of course not. It's all inside your head, folks.

Europe and the UK need a few of the silverback gorilla types in my humble opinion to fight animal behaviour of intruders!

Well, I don't know about you, but I do not want to be part of a group of animals lead by a Gorilla..

originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician


If they are dressed the same as those hookers on the side walk, the same as those women dancing around poles at a gentlemen's club,.....then they are asking for trouble. Those jobs are in the sex industry, and quite frankly, it's hard to tell who is just another woman...and who works the men at the sex bar. I said, that there is no excuse for rape, but men see women like that, and to them she is just another woman begging for that kind of attention.

Your logic is just ridiculous though....So if a woman dresses like a hooker or pole dancer, then they shouldn't be surprised if they get raped? That's basically what you're saying.
So pole dancers and hookers are fair game to you? why do you have such a low opinion of these women?

Women should be able to walk around wearing whatever they like... and It's not because they're dressed like sex workers, rape is almost always about control. Power. Not because someone looked like a hooker.

Your views are embarrassing quite honestly.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but people judge and judge harshly in this world. There are men in this world who have very little control over their sexual impulses, if they see some woman at night who reminds them of a hooker or an exotic dancer, they will act on that impulse.

Yes there are, but whether it be Muslim gangs thinking it's ok to rape women because they're not covered up, people saying things like "she was asking for it" because she wore a short skirt or sexy make-up, or people like you essentially blaming the women and saying that everyone should cover their "modesty" like we're living in the 1800's or the middle east.... you're all wrong and your views and ideas are disgusting and despicable.
People are free to dress how they like and dress how they like and should be able to do so without the fear of ridicule, physical or verbal attacks and most definitely without the fear of being raped because some guy "can't control himself" which is what you seem to think it's all about.

I'm NOT sorry, that I choose to look at reality, in it's ugly face. That PC crap doesn't fly with me.

I'm sorry you're so utterly clueless and seemingly side with the scum who rape and attack women... but there we go.

a reply to: blupblup

a religion who hides their mating partner is making it worse

self control is not for the religion people

any one heard about the test on religion people vs non religion people using porn?

out of that test

who do think looked at porn the most?

who do you think lied about not looking at porn?

In European countries, women have more freedoms about how to dress and what perfumes to wear than in Middle-Eastern countries. This is not their fault. This is a good thing. The rape is the fault of the rapist. Arabs expect women to wear burkas, so it is no surprise that they consider European women "half-naked." In my opinion, the Arab lifestyle of oppressing and using women is backwards and has no business pushing itself into Europe.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
I know it may seem that this thread is about hating Muslims. The thread is at 14 pages now and few people are going to come into a thread this long and read it beginning to end, but this thread is not about hating Muslims. It is about "a" Iman in Colonge making some misogynistic and derisive statements about women, and making them responsible for the rapes and sexual abuses that have occurred in Colonge.

Yes, and the Imam ought to be horsewhipped for his suggestion. But my premise remains the elephant in the room. Why does blaming the victim elicit such strong response from the community when it involves a Muslim on a soapbox? Where is the outrage on ATS when a cop asks about a woman's sexual habits when she reports being raped? And what is the difference?

And given the stats on the non-reporting of rapes in our western society, relative to the number of rapes committed by recent Muslim immigrants...I sense a certain hypocrisy from the echo chamber.

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You say that the real elephant in the room is that because it is about Islam it elicits a strong response, which is wrong in your view because it seems racist right?

Shall we talk about the REAL elephant in the room? Why should the root of the problem, in this case an Islamic ideology forced onto a western society NOT be criticised? Is there a reason why it should not?

I wouldnt mind being led by a silverback gorilla because I have a feeling they would do a far better job than our present bloody leaders.

I dont see any refugees outside my window and I wouldnt be bothered if I could if they were women and children and elderlya but I would be bothered if they were young, fit men because of the behaviour of some in Europe and also because some are potentially jihadists sent by ISIS.reply to: ForteanOrg

a reply to: darkbake


They'll get there eventually.... it was only 100 years ago or so that we "made" our women cover up from head to toe, they couldn't work... vote, Long skirts, head covered... all of it.


It's only recently in our history that we've been far more liberal in this regard.

originally posted by: Jonjonj
Shall we talk about the REAL elephant in the room? Why should the root of the problem, in this case an Islamic ideology forced onto a western society NOT be criticised? Is there a reason why it should not?

The root of the problem is not restricted to Islamic ideaology. Yes, it factors into this case, but it is pretty systemic. The outrage expressed here is focused on this particular circumstance and ignores the greater prevalence in our 'civilised' societies.

So...who is focusing our collective wrath towards brown people, and why? People are so busy being hypocrites they ignore the fact that they are being played. Like that's new.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

I beg your pardon, brown people? I really am agog at this statement. With all respect why are we talking about brown people here?

Most Turkish people are not brown, nor are a hell of a lot of Iranians, in fact the only brown people in question are Arabic from the Arabian peninsula and North Africa.

The question surely is not racism here, is that what you think this is about?

originally posted by: blupblup
a reply to: darkbake


They'll get there eventually.... it was only 100 years ago or so that we "made" our women cover up from head to toe, they couldn't work... vote, Long skirts, head covered... all of it.


It's only recently in our history that we've been far more liberal in this regard.

Excellent and exactly right.

Another point, in some areas of the ME, women who once had more freedoms have seen those freedoms taken away.

If America was allowed to be a Christian theocracy, the same thing would happen here. Not to the same extent, but it would happen. There are already health organizations not required to fill a woman's needs because of religion. And the Christian Right is fighting to have even more power in denying women's rights.

a reply to: infolurker

hahahaha
I live in Cologne. Carnaval is in 2 weeks... I dare this idiot to show up in the streets and say it again to the people's face!