Cologne Imam Says ‘Things Will Happen’ If Women Wear Perfume And Dress Half-Naked

originally posted by: JonjonjThe objective here is to promote fear by showing a laissez faire attitude to things that are important to the average American.

Nope. The objective was to point out that in the (very unlikely) event a majority of the American People would decide that the Constitution should be abondoned - it will be abandoned. I also correctly pointed out that the US Government itself has already made a huge mockery of the Constitution by allowing various secret services to break it. That in turn was not meant to scare anybody, it only served as an example that any "trust" that you can have in the Constitution boils down to trust in the People that currently govern the US. Make of it what you want, but it's a fact: there is not such thing as the Holy Guard of the Constitution that will come blazing in and rescue all Americans in case their Government decides to abandon the Constitution.

The idea is to make it look like the things you fear are in fact not only possible, but in fact seen as normal in other places that YOU consider to be civilised.

Fear? Why the constant reference to fear? I don't fear anything - I'm not even American..

The idea is also to make you think that there really is a threat to your way of life whilst actually pretending to at least understand these points of view.

Hey, stick your head in the sands as far as you want, but it is a FACT that the US Constitution has been raped (sic) by the very Government that should uphold it. Yes, there really IS a threat to "your way of life" - by your own Government! It's a good thing people in the US are slowly starting to realize this and try to turn back the wheels. But it takes but one idiot president and a new pseudo-war against terrorism, socialism or optimism for all I care, and all the Peoples effort to reinstate US Constitutional rights are shoved under the carpet once more and the US will have another round of sh_tting on the American values - by Sam, the American Eagle himself. I can't help it, it are demonstratable facts.

I have seen this kind of thing many times. It is a propoganda tactic. Pretend to be the reluctant bearer of bad news whilst actually instigating fear.

Are you sure you're referring to MY postings? I am not the one that propagates fear.. I simply observe facts.

Clear as a glass of water. The logic of it escapes me however, there is no possible way that America would succumb to sharia law in any way I can see, ever. You guys are just not built that way.

Er..

you mean: it could never happen that the US Government would even CONSIDER breaking the Constitution?

Really, Joe? Never?

I don't know how people are still suprised by islam, or other ancient religions, and their followers. Combine lack of morals with any half-literate ancient "holy" scriptures and you can justify nearly anything.

Especially when a book was "written" by an illiterate uneducated man whos words have no meaning in today's world.

a reply to: ForteanOrg

As I keep reading you very mellow post even in the face of been actually quoted, I got the feeling that you are pulling everybody legs here, I actually find some of the post funny, I wonder what you are trying to do,

perhaps get somebody soo angry that it gets banned?

originally posted by: Willtell


So they don’t rape in the West?

I don't believe anyone has said that? They do and the Law is dealing with it.

However this thread is about an Imam condoning the rape of western women

by Muslim men ... Is it not?

So a few pre-modern Wahhabis represent all of Islam and its all about their culture of rape and not the wonderful white west?

There wasn’t a Catholic priest’s scandal?

Many of them, but the thread is as I said above about Imams condoning rape.

Perhaps an opportunity for you to open a thread on Catholic Priests?

You live off stereo types programmed in you’re brain by ignorant bigots, that's you're Guide

# Islam is not just a religion but also a legal system and whole way of life.

# Islamic law allows and encourages domestic violence against women for
rebellion, ill conduct and disobedience!
# Allah permits you to shut them in rooms and beat them ... Treat women
well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing

www.bruceonpolitics.com...

Scroll down and see the pictures of women having been beaten and raped

I guess black people eat bananas and Indians are all drunks to you eh?

For all you know I could be Indian ... or even black

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
I wonder where the Feminists are??

*Crickets*

I think I've seen at least four on this thread that I would identify as feminists. so not sure what you are talking about...
oh, ya, the idea that the feminists just love the muslims.....like because we don't act like we think those neo-con christians are the bastians of women's rights, we just have to love the muslims. only, well, what makes you think that we would treat those muslims any different if they were trying to limit our rights as human beings? more than likely, you would find we were treating the neo con christians with kid gloves.

originally posted by: infolurker
European women have nobody to blame but themselves for being attacked, sexually harassed, and sexually assaulted. How dare they dress provocatively and wear perfume! This is really the mindset!

The Imam is simply a narrow minded misogynist as are all men who say things like that. Now since this thread will head off in the direction of 1930's language of the nazi's (the anti jew stuff) a quick reminder : If you look through the judgements made by more than a few judges in the UK in the past couple of decades about rape cases the above sentence matches what they (white christian males) have already said.....

a reply to: ForteanOrg

You are projecting the idea of fear onto these people, it is as clear as day.

I am not American either, but I can spot a fearmonger at a thousand paces, and you are basically pixels away from me.

a reply to: infolurker

I'm assuming he believes Muslim men can't help but to tackle guys wearing football uniforms too.

Crime and Punishment. If you have so little self control that you can't help but to get rapey at the sight of a "half naked" woman, it might be best to chain yourself up somewhere. In prison, they'll become the rapees.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: ForteanOrg

As I keep reading you very mellow post even in the face of been actually quoted, I got the feeling that you are pulling everybody legs here, I actually find some of the post funny, I wonder what you are trying to do,

perhaps get somebody soo angry that it gets banned?

Oh, of course not.

I'm one of the Great Reflectors.

Ohoho yes, I'm the Great Reflector,
Just laughin' and gay like a clown
I seem to be what I'm not, you see
I'm wearing my heart like a crown
Reflecting the things all around

originally posted by: Jonjonj
a reply to: ForteanOrg

You are projecting the idea of fear onto these people, it is as clear as day.

I am not American either, but I can spot a fearmonger at a thousand paces, and you are basically pixels away from me.

Facts are facts. If the facts scare you, I can't help it. If there is a train approaching I will say "look out, a train" - and that's not fear mongering, that's just reflecting observable facts. You can choose: be afraid, freeze up and be overrun, or simply observe that I'm correct and take a step back.

Also, what reason could I possibly have to install fear into people's hearts? I mean, really, isn't that the most absurd waste of time - being afraid for something that you merely projected inside your head - like, say, the fear of foreigners, of other cultures, of other religions?

Bah. Humbug.

a reply to: ForteanOrg

Oh I get you, more than you think.

a reply to: infolurker

Yeah well, those "men' need to put a lid on their fire. Any man who hides behind a so called " religion " as an excuse to do the perverted things these people do are twisted and disgusting. And those who have the gall to let their actions slide, cover it up or accept it and condem the women who are attacked are just as sickening. In the case of this and other imams who "warn" that it will continue to happen and do nothing to reform this 6th century mentality need to be muzzled. If they are indeed "leaders", they need to bring their people into today's century,

For muslim men to say it isn't their "fault" is beyond laughable. It IS their fault. In a good deal of them it's faulty genetics. I used to think that people who called them "inbred" were just being insulting. Reading this so many times I decided to research it. Guess what? A great deal of them ARE. There have been many researchers into muslim marriage practices...that of marrying their first cousins.

Birth defect and stillborns are high among muslims. Their wonderful prophet claimed "allah" spoke to him and condoned this practise. As well as so many other vile things. Anything Mohamed does is to be looked upon as "perfect" and copied in day to day life. Right? (Gag)

Here are figures gathered by Danish psychologist, Nicolai Sennels, who did extensive research into muslim interbreeding:

70% of Pakistanis
67% of Saudi Arabians
63% of Sudanese
60% of Iraqis
54% of muslims & United Arabic Emirstes, Qatar
25-30% of those in Turkey, and
55% of Pakistanis in England are INBRED

I think most people know the implications of those figures. They claim to do it for economical reasons...to keep wealth within families and, like ancient pharoahs, to keep their bloodlines "pure". Personally, I truly expect any of them who try that crap here in the US will be met with what they " deserve".

They want to out breed any culture not bowing to islam in order to outvote the infidels. Utter STUPIDITY. Just what we need, a world filled with rabid inbreds and/or uneducated hordes of people bent on destruction of the world. If they're not granted citizenship, they can't vote. Do NOT grant citizenship!

I hope and pray our leaders will look at the overwhelming problems in Europe caused by people their OWN nation's don't even want back! Even past US leaders recognized the problems that would come with multitudes of muslims and islam. Don't force these problems down our throats...we neither want nor NEED any more problems than we already have.

Where is the enforcement of "BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE"???

ya know, I bet if I go far enough I can find a few threads of us westerns discussing topics related to rape and there will be more than a few who will have posted similar comments though. have no idea of any of those who were posting the crap back then are now acting all horrified that this imman said it. but I do know there's been the posts.

originally posted by: ForteanOrg

originally posted by: Jonjonj
a reply to: ForteanOrg

You are projecting the idea of fear onto these people, it is as clear as day.

I am not American either, but I can spot a fearmonger at a thousand paces, and you are basically pixels away from me.

Facts are facts. If the facts scare you, I can't help it. If there is a train approaching I will say "look out, a train" - and that's not fear mongering, that's just reflecting observable facts. You can choose: be afraid, freeze up and be overrun, or simply observe that I'm correct and take a step back.

Also, what reason could I possibly have to install fear into people's hearts? I mean, really, isn't that the most absurd waste of time - being afraid for something that you merely projected inside your head - like, say, the fear of foreigners, of other cultures, of other religions?

Bah. Humbug.

There is no "America succumbs to sharia law" train a comin' man, hollow call.

The reason you could be doing so could be the fact that you profess to be from Holland: I am from the UK, and even with the almighty feck up that is integration at the moment, I am surely glad that I don't live in Holland with its ridiculously sad immigration/integration problems. Are you engaging in a certain schadenfreude perhaps, you have suffered and are taking a perverse delight in the possible suffering yet to come?

Whatever your reasons are, and truth clearly isn't one of them, people are not as stupid nor naive as you seem to think they are.

originally posted by: NeoSpartan
a reply to: ForteanOrgHa, that's what I was waiting for.

Glad to oblige, Sir

So what you are saying is that by the grace of the fact that you can barely supress your sexual urges, you are not going to rape this girl.

Well, I would not say "barely" - I'm very good at surpressing my urges. And actually, not that many women arouse me to begin with and I live a fairly secluded life. So "barely" .. nah.

"I don't". Like it is your decision alone.

Certainly it is - humping a lady can be done without her consent, it's called "rape". However, that would be silly as it probably will ruin my chance of ever getting into a serious relationship with her in the first place. And, given that I'm more than just an animal, I appreciate stupid things like "having a conversation", "be good company", "share our interests". Not very manly, but I'm quite a sissy in that respect. So, yes, it's my decision alone not to hump her, and might we get acquinted and like each other, we will see how things go.

There is quite a difference between wanting to have sex with someone, and having to supress these urges in order to prevent yourself from raping them.

That's where you're wrong. It are exactly the same urges. There is no "good" or "bad" sex drive, there is a sex drive. It is up to your intelligence, in the context of your culture, if you should or should not suppress it.

a reply to: ForteanOrg

And though very unlikely - yes, it might happen that England becomes a Muslim nation and the Church of England might be converted to a Muslim church. I sure hope that, might that day ever come, the people will remember from our example that acceptance of minorities is the essence of democracy.

I am sure it is not your intent, but my initial visceral response to this statement, was to think that this is a warning to to Europeans, not an encouragement, or an example of wonderful thing, but a warning for what is to come, whether they like it or not.

Your statement reads as if it is the goal to covert enough Europeans to Islam, as to even change the The Church of England into a mosque, and that the Europeans should remember that the acceptance of minorities was the cause for their demise.

The problem with Islam is it is packed with Muslims, and the problem with Muslims is they believe in Islam. These people are animals when unleashed. Rape, beatings, child molestation, etc. And letting them into civilized countries is a huge mistake for the civilian population. In the USA, we have Obama and his group doing their best to kiss the collective asses of these creatures and making excuses for their chosen actions.

I don't even trust anymore that there is a moderate Muslim. Just ones awaiting the challenge of supporting the Jihad or not. And I think I know the answer. The cowards will bow to the mobs because they can barely fight for their own country...why fight for ours? We lost an opportunity at one point to turn sand into glass and now we have Islamic terrorists killing our friends and countrymen ushered in by our "leaders" and with calls of racism and Islamaphobia when someone points to the dying bodies.

Yes...we need to rid ourselves of at least the most violent ones, but we first need to rid ourselves of our "leaders" that care nothing for the lives and livelihood of their OWN PEOPLE!

In my humble opinion...of course.

First you get to a country that accepts you and then you repay them with assault. Makes sense...

a reply to: Willtell

And stop bringing up ancient history to justify what is going on today, in the 21st century. Its irrelevant. Some cultures move forward, so cultures grow, some on the other hand remain stagnant

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Ah, no, you read too much into it (or I am a simply using imperfect English, or both). I'm not very fond of any institutionalized religion, so in as far as I'm concerned, the Church of England might be dismantled. However, as long as it acts within the Law, it can be tolerated. Same goes for any other institutionalize religion.

And yes, I literally believe that tolerance is good and allowing minorities to maintain their own culture is the essence of any democracy. But all within the Law. And the Law should be upheld by all and reflect the dignity and values of the people.