a reply to: CharlieSpeirs
Great thread Charlie. This highlights some issues which I think are paramount when discussing and understanding the problems with politics in America.
In my view, it is not Trump's godlessness which should concern the people of the United States of America. His religious beliefs should not be an
issue, because as we all know, it is perfectly possible to be an honest, pleasant, compassionate, firm, sensible, humble and intelligent person,
without subscribing to a faith of any kind. These are the traits a person would need, for a start, in order to do a good job as a leader of any group
of people, leave alone a nation.
These are also traits which are absent from Donald Trump's character.
Whether one is atheist, Christian, a Pastafarian or affiliated with any other religious organisation or ideal, one should be able to see the glaring
inadequacies of Trump, his temper, his lack of basic intelligence or morality, the fibre of the man for being the rotten and horrid thing that it is.
I do, however, understand the reason that the article linked to in the OP, is important. The Christian fundamentalist right in the US are a strong
voter bloc, and vocal with it. They make more noise than they have throats with which to make it, and that noise ripples away from them, and into the
ears of the weak and foolish, sounding like sense. Dangerous business. The article author is right to appeal for sanity from those who profess to
faith, but truly, can anyone who would vote for Trump, actually profess to love Jesus, and wish to follow in his footsteps? Can anyone considering
voting for Trump consider themselves persons who value love and tolerance above hatred and oppression? Can anyone who is considering voting for Trump,
genuinely look at themselves and say "Christ would applaud me for my choice."?
As a Christian myself, I would find it hard to reconcile the idea of anyone professing to belief in Jesus, voting for a man like that, except that it
has happened throughout human history, that people have come to power through paying lip service to large swathes of a population, their beliefs,
their attitudes, and then proven while in office to have been liars all along.
But the real point is, that it does not matter whether he has a faith or not, or even if he claims to have none. A persons faith is no measure of
their character, no measure of a man in the least. I say this with full understanding that a person can profess a faith and be a total bastard. I say
this in the knowledge that so can those who profess to have no faith, and on the flip side of that, there are genuine legends who worship deities, and
there are wonderful people out there who believe that this, human life, mortal existence is all there is, that there is no god, or heaven, or spirit
or anything the heck else.
A persons religious beliefs do not have any bearing on their fitness to perform a duty in government. To establish whether they have the qualities
necessary to achieve positive things for the nation, other metrics must be examined, and as far as I am concerned, Trump fails spectacularly at every
important point. Greedy, emotionally retarded, about as diplomatically qualified as a brick bat to the eye socket, and incapable of taking anything
except his bottom line remotely seriously, this is a man who has nothing to recommend him to a population.
He is the opposite, not of what politicians are today (which is bloody horrible at best) but what they ought to be. Honourable, honest, decent, kind,
compassionate, fair, intellectual, and aware that there is always a greater power than their own. Not necessarily that of a deity, but that of the
people they are attempting to serve. Trump accepts no power in his life but his own. He is his own god. He will do whatever he thinks best, without
even the slightest consideration for consequence, and without any mercy or compassion what so ever, traits we know he has none of, owing to his
history in property purchasing and redevelopment.
The man has no morality, and that is a far greater problem than a lack of faith.
Now, the problem here is this. The propaganda, the advertising, the buzzwords and the hot button topics have all been trotted out, and Trump has made
noises which amoral dogs all over the place have rallied behind. The ludicrous and unworkable border wall, the temporary ban on immigration for
Muslims, and so on. He knows how to sell it, and sell it to as many people as possible. He knows how to sell bullets to gunshot victims, how to sell a
carpet made of uranium to a person with terminal cancer, how to sell anything to anyone. And right now, he is trying to sell the United States of
America a faulty president and government, to replace a faulty president and government.
Will he end mass surveillance and have those who have constantly covered it up, and defended it, arrested and thrown down a hole for the rest of
time? Of course he won't. He doesn't give a single fig about the constitution, and probably knows less about the document than I, a British citizen
with no qualifications in history or government and politics! Will he insist that government intervene in the mental health situation in the States at
the moment, to prevent people who have severe mental health problems, and specifically those who pose a potential risk to innocent persons, from being
out and about in public, so that they cannot involve themselves in mass murders, rapes, serial killings, serial sexual offences? Will he ensure that
those who pose a danger to others are placed in institutions until or unless they improve to the point of GENUINELY posing no threat to other people?
Of course he will not. He does not give a fig about the second amendment either, and will allow mentally ill persons with to roam about, even if they
have the kind of condition which means they present a risk to both themselves, and everyone else around them, and will continue the gun debate loudly,
while delaying proper solutions and failing to protect the right to bear arms.
But people think that his responses to stimuli will either be better, or at least different. I will say this to any person thinking of Trump for
president for any reason...the man will do the same things, or worse things. They are all he is capable of, because that is the sort of man he is. He
is a megalomaniac, and he should never, ever be allowed to run a country. It will be the death of hundreds of thousands at the worst, and the economic
destruction of the entire country at best, if he is ever allowed to occupy the Oval Office. He will terminate the dreams of an entire generation,
perhaps even two, and will destroy the United States of America on the world stage, reducing its position from one of burgeoning chaos, to utter
He will watch the place burn, and smile as the ashes and embers float away.