Let’s look at the Worlds Socialists countries

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Yeah it's easy just take a vacation and never leave!

a reply to: onequestion

People uproot their entire families and move to the USA, why can't someone from the USA uproot and move as well?

It's not like this is some impossible idea. All of our ancestors moved here from someplace else.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

I was being serious, just get round trip tickets so you can get through custome just never come back.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Until recently, the refugees, I'd have loved to uproot and move to Sweden. It's the one country, IMO, that has (had) their stuff together.

originally posted by: Willtell
I’m a firm believer in learning from others. The US should look at other systems and learn from them. Of course we shouldn’t adapt a copy cat syndrome but adapt the best what works to our individual system what I call SocioCapatalism.


In these countries there is universal health insurance, and I doubt the kind of poverty that we find
In America.


Of course there are good things and bad things in all systems but it is revealing to know that I
Don’t know of any country in the world who has adapted a conservative economy without
Socialist type programs for the people even though the system is not completely socialist.

blog.peerform.com...
Anyway lets stop all the propaganda and rhetoric and star a gaze at the socialists countries in our world.

They seem like places one would want to live in mostly.

Denmark

Denmark has a wide range of welfare benefits that they offer their citizens. As a result, they also have the highest taxes in the world. Equality is considered the most important value in Denmark. Small businesses thrive, with over 70 percent of companies having 50 employees or less.

Finland

Finland has one of the world’s best education systems, with no tuition fees and also giving free meals to their students. The literacy rate in Finland is 100 percent. Finland has one of the highest standards of living in the world. Like Denmark and other European countries, equality is considered one of the most important values in society. Whereas in the Netherlands, government control over the economy remains at a minimum, but a socialist welfare system remains. The lifestyle in the Netherlands is very egalitarian and organized, where even bosses do not discipline or treat their subordinates rudely.

Canada

Like the Netherlands, Canada also has mostly a free market economy, but has a very extensive welfare system that includes free health and medical care. Canadians remain more open-minded and liberal than Americans, and Canada is ranked as one of the best top five countries to live in by the United Nations and the Human Development Index (HDI) rankings.

I traveled through Norway, Sweeden, Denmark Finland Russia, east Germany and West Germany in the 1970's on a bus tour and I never saw any signs of poverty in Sweeden, Norway, Denmark and Finland. Russia looked very much like a war time economy and I have never seen so many people driving Mercs in my life as I saw in WWest Germany.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: nwtrucker

I think Mexicans would go to many of these countries if they could.

I'd agree. The Mexicans attempted socialism before developing a viable capitalistic system to finance the socialism.

An epic fail.

a reply to: DBCowboy

don't make up stuff and attack that to prove a point. Belgium, my home country and mentioned in the OP, has a constitution, and some form of bill of rights. I'm pretty sure the other Scandinavian countries have a constitution too.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

How about you Socialists move to one of the numerous countries listed and I will stay? Seriously, there aren't many places left to go for people that just want to breathe without some overbearing government taxing the air.

a reply to: Metallicus

This is just another case of misunderstanding the current economic paradigm and looking at the discussion through the lens of nationalism and not the lens of humanity.

a reply to: Azureblue

Just to compare on a regional basis. Far more street people in Vancouver, B.C. than Seattle, Wash. (Seattle has more than it's share as well.)

a reply to: Willtell

china has slave labor factories. i dont think china is gonna help your argument much

a reply to: Aliensun

there would never have been a world ww2 if it wasnt pushed by capitalists. and many other modern era wars for that matter.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Metallicus

This is just another case of misunderstanding the current economic paradigm and looking at the discussion through the lens of nationalism and not the lens of humanity.

Using the plight of Humanity-self-inflicted by any standard-is a poor reasoning to assume a guilt trip for having escaped that mechanism.

Using the blue-print of the west, nations such as India and China have improved the lot of their citizens considerably as have other nations.

Humanity is not improved by marginalizing the west. It is, in fact, worsened by an alternative unproven and subject to even worse manipulation....

a reply to: onequestion

??? really i thought it was common knowledge,

even merica has to bend the knee, land of the free. ha! dont believe everything you read in school

originally posted by: MystikMushroom

originally posted by: Metallicus
My biggest single problem with Socialism is that it REQUIRES everyone to participate. It also requires a bloated central beauracracy to run. I DO NOT want to participate. I DO NOT support centralized government. Socialism is everything I hate about society and government rolled into one failed philosophy.

Simple solution: move.

As soon as anyone is 18 and considered an "adult" in the USA, they can move. It's a foreign concept to Americans, I realize that -- as most people move HERE, not FROM here.

When people in other countries around the globe don't like the country the find themselves in, guess what they do? The move! They immigrate to another country!

But were?

Not many pure capitlist countrys left in the world and the few that are hong kong or Singapore wont let the average American just move.

Really?

How doe that work then? Last time (long ago tbh) I checked I had to fulfill a lot of requirements to be able to move to the US. I still wonder how people get to move to the US, CA or for instance AUS without having a family there or a decent job offer. This is an honest question... how does that work?

Moving within Europe as a European is easy, moving outside of the EU is not that easy. Maybe if you're a refugee some hidden doors open up, but not for people like myself.


a reply to: MystikMushroom

a reply to: Willtell

I"m in Canada. You don't understand socialism at all. You've heard of stallinistic soviet russia right? We'll we're basically right there. Hmmmmm where should I start....
1) cameras on every street corner
2) a million different policing agenies watching your every move
3) your money isn't safe in banks, it can be taken by the CRA at anytime with no cause
4) everything is about 4 times as expensive as the US
5) half the popuation is employed by government to do stupid jobs. Especially lots involving policing the average working stiff.
6) Stupid laws, They lock you up for almost anything.
7) propaganda galore, every other tv commerical is from the go=vv of Cdn telling you how to live your life.

it's the total and complete nanny state. It's total madness. Anyone who actually would want to live here is a fooking moron. All we are is a slave colony of england. it's totally nuts. It's one big prison. Trust me you do not want socialism just so you can get free access to big institutions that want to either brainwash you or kill you. Yes the health care is handy in case your break an arm (tramacare only). But the disadvantages far outweigh the benefits. Socialist countries are the worst places in the world trust me. Stay far away from them and they're do good fasode. They're essencially technocracies that don't want even free range hens (us) . They want the hens crowded into factory farming.

Trust me, do not model socialist countries. That would be nuts.

a reply to: xuenchen

The chart you linked puts the U.S about 5% higher than the socialist countries that Willtell mentioned in regards to being below the poverty line.. I would have to say that correlates with the lack of spending on social programs and social nets to keep workers from going under financially to crooked banks and greedy corporations. The U.S is a failed capitalist nation state in terms of its economic policies.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Willtell

We did learn from other systems. Our Constitution is a direct result of the Magna Carta.

None of these socialist countries have a Bill of Rights nor do they have a Constitution.

Honest question, do you want to do away with the Constitution and Bill of Rights? Because I don't see how you can have socialism here in the US and keep those documents.

It should be added that our constitution was designed to benefit off the strengths from several forms of government. The original construct was based on incorporating different aspects and was purposely designed to allow the system to evolve.

a reply to: crazyewok Hong Kong and Singapore are both over populated, congested sweat boxes. I don't care how capitalist they are, there's more to quality of life than money. I don't see the appeal.