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The Latest Democratic Party Debate-------A Lose Lose situation

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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 03:55 PM
a reply to: kendix1960

You cannot just say neither candidate brings anything to the table bc you do not agree with any of them. Pick and choose your arguments carefully.

(post by kendix1960 removed for a manners violation)

posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 03:57 PM
a reply to: Skid Mark

Voting DOES matter, and the US is in a bad place when there is only 2 parties. Any other country has 3-8 active parties.

posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 04:13 PM
a reply to: kendix1960

It's true. We can gander that just by watching the debate.

As for socialism in America, because something is government run and taxpayer funded does not mean it is "socialist".

posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 04:33 PM
a reply to: kendix1960

Isn’t that kind of the point of the left?

If they didn’t come up with such ideas (ones I don’t subscribe too) then they would be "left" and everyone would be to the right.

In which case you end up with a uniform one party state with no political discussion.

Both left and right are needed to balance each other and provide political debate and ways for the country to evolve.

Countrys that dont adapt and evolve die.

posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 04:47 PM
a reply to: veracity

To choose neither of the above is, in and of itself, a choice! Better to do that than to endorse, support, or vote for someone with whom you don't agree!

posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 06:23 PM
a reply to: crazyewok

I strongly believe in the two party system, crazyewok, because intelligent discourse does result in a country that evolves. But a realistic understanding of what America has always been about and a willingness to do whatever it takes to make certain those national values are preserved is an absolute must!

posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 07:16 PM
Agreed, a lose lose situation!

posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 08:15 PM
a reply to: Quantum12

Thanks, Quantum12.

posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 08:21 PM
a reply to: Sremmos80

I can't wait forever, Sremmos80, for you to discover what a real discussion requires. Knowledge, thought, analysis, and comprehension for starters.

posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 08:47 PM
The choices for dems are so slim that if we can't have Sanders on the ballot then we should at least be allowed to vote for Obama for a third term.

What other choices are there? Palin-tainted conservatives? Like that's what this country needs now in these tough times, more "compassionate conservatism" aka fascism.
Or sink or swim mentality.

posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 09:02 PM
a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

Thank God Obama is constitutionally barred from running again. He's done more than enough damage already!

posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 09:12 PM
a reply to: kendix1960

What did he do? Made it illegal for you to discriminate in public? Separated church from state? Legalized some equal rights? Affordable healthcare? No co-pay? No pre-existing stipulation in healthcare?

Awe, what did he do to you? I see, its the free 2 yrs college, isn't it, you don't want to pay for it. That's your money right?

Well, its NOT your money, its your fee for living in this great country, and if you don't like it, then see how well you fare elsewhere.

posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 09:23 PM
a reply to: veracity

Talk about a non responsive ill informed reply based on your simply not having even the foggiest idea of what you're talking about!

posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 09:29 PM
a reply to: kendix1960

Nope, what I said is pretty clear, cut & dry, black and white. Even the dumbest person on earth can see what Obama has done for us. You may have a different way of looking at (i.e. "hes taking our guns away", "he's taking christianity out of America", "he's taking away our right to discriminate") but it is what it is.

but funny, I was just thinking the same about you...that you don't really know what you are talking about, but I bet with your same-minded friends and relatives you shine like a right wing star.

posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 10:16 PM
a reply to: veracity

Better than not shining at all like some folks. I'm not either left wing or right wing. You can decide for yourself where you fit on the spectrum. America is about choice and a right to one's own opinion.

posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 10:17 PM

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

PS: Socialism already works in our country. It's been working in our country since the 30's.

Socialism has been tearing this country apart since the 30's.

Fixed that for you.

posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 10:23 PM

originally posted by: kendix1960
Unfortunately for America, the Democratic Party currently offers precious little from which to choose among their candidates for President of the United States.

Hillary Clinton has already demonstrated that she is untrustworthy given her use of a private e-mail server in violation of National Security Standards, and her gross mishandling of the Benghazy, Libya terrorist attack that cost an American ambassador and three others their lives. This record does not bode well for someone seeking the highest office in our land

Some perspective.

Bush ignored over 50 communications alluding to what came to be 9/11

Cheney ordered the air force to stand down.

Then they invading the wrong country and destabilized the entire middle east.

Hillary should be fine.

posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 10:24 PM

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: kendix1960

Socialism simply does not and cannot work in a country, such as our own, which is premised on incentive and opportunity.

Socialism is an integral part of what made this country great.

No, it isn't.

When war rears it's ugly head, socialism produces the world's greatest military.

No, that was a highly disciplined fighting force based in centuries of military tradition. That is self-sacrifice.

When crimes are committed on the streets, socialism produces men and women that patrol the streets.

No, that is pride in the community and a personal desire to help others through self-sacrifice.

When hunger afflicts the poor or disaster destroys entire towns, socialism shows up with food and relief.

No, that is charity and helping others less fortunate than ourselves. Because we do so well with capitalism.

America is not only great because you can pull-up your bootstraps and make something of yourself. It is also great because it injected just enough socialism in to it to ensure we are safe from foreign and domestic dangers, that we can get a little help when we have to choose between bills and food for our families and we can get some help if a tornado destroys our homes.

We could do those things because our economy is based on risk and reward, without central planning to control prices and/or goods. We prosper from our success, and our judeo-christian foundation promotes a charitable nature.

Vote for whomever you wish, but without socialism many Americans would have starved to death and we may be speaking a different language after our country was taken over by foreign invaders.

I'll refrain from using the derogatory epithets crossing through my mind right now. This is absolute retcon and attempt to whitewash what socialism is.

It's utter hogwash.

posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 10:34 PM
So who should be president of the United States? I'm not seeing anyone I like on the right.

I don't think you guys realize it, but we live in a socialist country already. We have a 40 hour workweek with a weekend, given to us by the work of the labor unions. We all like that. We have government paid for k-12 Schools for all, for free. We have medicaid and medicare and social security and on and on.

The problem is that it's broken and expensive and done poorly. We give social welfare (money) to corporations that already make billions. That's broken socialism. We treat everyone medically in any emergency room in the country, but don't give them affordable pre-emtive healthcare or affordable insurance. That's broken socialism.

When you take a guy like Bernie Sanders...he's basically saying that we should fix it and make it work.

The republicans on this thread, will tell you socialism is the work of the devil, but they don't care that we give oil companies and big banks billions of dollars while they collect their (socialist) unemployment checks, get medicaid and food stamps, while packing their kids lunch for that (socialist) elementary school down the road ( that was build by socialism). But Bernie Sanders is going to destroy the world? LOL

But who's better than Sanders.. not Clinton or Bush, that I agree with. I like Paul. Trump? He thinks the Chinese invented Climate change to make money. LOL

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