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19.6 Trillion Dollars in Tax Increases...Can you feel the "Bern" now?

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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 01:59 PM
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originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Ahh the good old days, when commies were detained!

Wake up and smell the coffee, it's 2016!!!



Yeah, it's 2016, and BERNIE is injecting a FOSSILIZED ideology as "new for the kids"...and you're swallowing it.

19th Century Europe is gone....outa here...Marx is dead. And Socialism is dead. Which is why only about 4 nations on the PLANET actually employ it as a mode of production
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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:08 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain


that you are somehow "More educated" when a person has clearly more knowledge of a subject than you and challenges you DIRECTLY as I have done here?

I didn't say I was "more educated."

I suggested that you might look into some information on the issue so that you could be better equipped to talk about them.
You have made it plain that you are not well 'educated' on what Bernie is proposing.
Never mind, then.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:10 PM
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Bernie verbatim stated he wants to give free education AND healthcare to Illegal Immigrants.

Being that the "11 Million" number is a farce, and private studies conclude it's closer to 20 Million, that means TWENTY MILLION more in an already flooded healthcare and education system..

But...but...HOW BERNIE?

"Bernie cares about the Middle Class!!1Eleven"

LMAO....sure he does



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:12 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain


that you are somehow "More educated" when a person has clearly more knowledge of a subject than you and challenges you DIRECTLY as I have done here?

I didn't say I was "more educated."

I suggested that you might look into some information on the issue so that you could be better equipped to talk about them.
You have made it plain that you are not well 'educated' on what Bernie is proposing.
Never mind, then.


Then 'educate' me. Instead of posting stupid wasteful personal FEEWINGS..

Let's do it.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:13 PM
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None of this matters because he wouldn't be able to do all this anyway. The power of the purse resides with congress and this would never pass. Executive orders wouldn't be enough.
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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain


Bernie verbatim stated he wants to give free education AND healthcare to Illegal Immigrants.

Hmmm.
Can you source that, please?


Being that the "11 Million" number is a farce, and private studies conclude it's closer to 20 Million

Can you source that, too, please?


that means TWENTY MILLION more in an already flooded healthcare and education system..

They're already here. And they're already getting health care and education.
So - you want to deny them education and health-care then?
You'd be fine if the guy who mows your lawn or buses your table is sick and illiterate?

Just asking.
And now, I'm really super done here.

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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:15 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

So the 19.6 Trillion will be over the already 36.7% that has increased under Obama, with an increase of $3.7 trillion on the spending budget since 2012.

Life is going to be peaching for working Americans.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:17 PM
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originally posted by: AlaskanDad


That was controlled opposition to get people out of focus on government programs that were similar and actually allowing Hollywood and MSM to keep the propaganda flowing.

Today is the result.




posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:18 PM
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Mean while healthcare in the US is 3 trillion a year, which is 30 trillion over ten years.

So taxes may increase, but we will save 10 trillion on healthcare alone.

www.forbes.com...

but who cares, it is easier to be an idiot



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain


You do remember the fate that awaited Senator McCarthy, don't you???



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:19 PM
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originally posted by: AlaskanDad


I like that one too !!!

Yesterday's "Hi how are you" is today's "Hell-O".




posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:19 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

It is on his website. All of it. As far as illegals who are already here, yes, they need to go. Sorry. There are veterans, elderly and children in the US that need to be taken care of. I am sorry if you are born into poverty but what type of message does it send to people. Hey, you broke the law so here is an EBT, Section 8 housing, medicaid, Job Training...all on the dime of the people who do not get SS raises, who lost limbs for your freedom and children whose parents lost their jobs to people like illegals because business pay less hourly and no taxes.

People talk about how bad it would be to 'round up everyone' when we should clean up our own yard before opening the door anymore.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:21 PM
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originally posted by: AlaskanDad


That one became the general theme of the CDC and gun control advocates !!!




posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:24 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain


Bernie verbatim stated he wants to give free education AND healthcare to Illegal Immigrants.

Hmmm.
Can you source that, please?


Being that the "11 Million" number is a farce, and private studies conclude it's closer to 20 Million

Can you source that, too, please?


that means TWENTY MILLION more in an already flooded healthcare and education system..

They're already here. And they're already getting health care and education.
So - you want to deny them education and health-care then?
You'd be fine if the guy who mows your lawn or buses your table is sick and illiterate?

Just asking.
And now, I'm really super done here.


He and Hillary both stated it in the last debates before this recent one. I would look for it on YouTube but there's about 100 videos to sift through with those keywords.

Secondly, the guy that MOWS PEOPLES LAWN....isn't supposed to be here in the first place.

But it's "Socialists" like you' that have no problem with tax payers paying his possible HUNDRED THOUSAND dollar medical bill, and his child's education at our expense.

WOW....and you wonder why you Socialists are looked upon as a loony fringe?

(Now represented by the Chicago School FOSSIL known as "Burnie"..

Amazing. I mean, you're literally telling me that as a citizen, I should forego my own countrymen, to pay for the ILLNESSES and EDUCATION of foreign nationals.

You guys are just insane. That's not even logical at any level. It's like you ate lead paint as a child and decided to jump on ATS with your idea.

WTF?


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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:26 PM
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Then 'educate' me. Instead of posting stupid wasteful personal FEEWINGS..

Let's do it.

sigh

Seriously?

Senator Bernie Sanders on Democratic Socialism in the United States

Bernie Sanders explains democratic socialism

Here’s How Bernie Sanders Explained Democratic Socialism

Democratic Socialism wiki

What is Democratic Socialism? Q & A

There ya go. Knock yourself out. Follow the crumbs and links that are provided in those articles to learn more.
Go on, I triple dog dare ya.
Here, I'll even show you the Questions you can get Answered from that last source:

Doesn't socialism mean that the government will own and run everything?

Hasn't socialism been discredited by the collapse of Communism in the USSR and Eastern Europe?

Private corporations seem to be a permanent fixture in the US, so why work towards socialism?

Won't socialism be impractical because people will lose their incentive to work?

Why are there no models of democratic socialism?

But hasn't the European Social Democratic experiment failed?

Aren't you a party that's in competition with the Democratic Party for votes and support?

If I am going to devote time to politics, why shouldn't I focus on something more immediate?

What can young people do to move the US towards socialism?

If so many people misunderstand socialism, why continue to use the word?

(You'll have to actually look at the article to see the Answers. Let me know when you're done.)



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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:29 PM
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a reply to: yesyesyes

I wish it works that way, but one of the ways that our markets makes money is on forceable futures, meaning the fantasy that polices will save money in the long term, but what the government doesn't tell is that every year they come along with another prediction and keep pushing the forceable futures a couple years farther along the way, this confuses the tax payers an voters into thinking that the future will look better, while we are been crapped on in present time.

Actually this futures predictions came from a way for farmers to lock in a reasonable price now for crops they’ll harvest later, that is what the government is doing when they predict savings, but never materialized.


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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:30 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs


On a personal level. In my vast experience in economic and political debate/discussion...if you talk to a Socialist long enough, eventually the pernicious hatred of their fellow countrymen/women/citizens ALWAYS comes out.

Let a Leftist talk long enough, and they will show their true vile pernicious venomous beliefs.

You showed your hand with your last post.

You expect your own fellow citizens, everyone on this board, me, my family, friends...to PAY for the EDUCATION and HEALTHCARE of Illegal Immigrants.

What I would call you on this board would SURELY violate ATS' rules. So I'll just log off for now.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:31 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain



1) Military is not touted as 'for the greater good". Military does not intervene in our daily lives by EDICT. Wrong


It is a "centrally-planned government entity" who's sole purpose is to serve and protect the people, paid for by the people. We are simply going with the definition you provided.



2) Police are another defensive and necessary force...again not in our DAILY LIVES by EDIT....wrong. Also funded LOCALLY.


Still fits the definition you provided.



3) Public works are payed by taxpayers. They are not PROGRAMS. They are services.


Programs provide services.



How does that compare to say Obamacare, which was a mandated centrally planned corporate insurance giveaway...which was FORCED as a 'tax'


It does not benefit all people. It's is fascist, not socialist.



HINT: the magical buzzword for socialism is always "Program"


Perhaps for you that is a buzzword.

Your response is exactly what I expected. After I agree with your original assertion, you move the goalposts a bit to further obfuscate the issue. The examples I provided are clear examples of socialism and you tried to play word games after you realized you trapped yourself with your own definition.
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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:34 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

What I would call you on this board would SURELY violate ATS' rules.

So I'll just log off for now.


Okay, but, I have no pernicious hatred of my fellow countrymen.
On the contrary, I want them all to have basic necessities.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:34 PM
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originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: matafuchs

As much as I like Bernie, this is where the whole thing just falls down isn't it?

There's no way, Congress or the American people would ever approve that much new spending.

Ever.

It's just a no go. Do not collect 200$, go straight to lame duck presidency. The Clinton Campaign is going to have a field day with those stats.

~Tenth


Spending requires money.

I wonder how many of the armchair socialists we have here would be willing to pay 80% of their income to "helping others"?



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