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19.6 Trillion Dollars in Tax Increases...Can you feel the "Bern" now?

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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: Brotherman

Look around.




posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Did you also know that 1% gives 33% of ALL donations in the US? So, go ahead and tax them some more and see the donations dry up. There is a cause and effect for everything and more taxes will add up to less for the disenfranchised that Sanders is saying he is trying to help.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 01:27 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain



Cmon....let's hear YOUR philosophy on the matter with respect to Bernie Sanders....


I don't have a philosophy on socialism in respect to Bernie Sanders.



Why don't you show us even the most cursory understanding if you are such a Mensa member on the matter.


I never made any such claim.

Again, perhaps a different approach would serve you better. I'm not in the mood to argue and will not be baited.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 01:28 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Perhaps the illusions of "Socialism" are actually controlled by the 'top of the top' 1%.

I call it Marxist/Corporatist.

Not much (if any) "genuine" "Socialism" working anywhere without massive corporate/capitalist injections.




posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

I didn't bring up your "tone."

I'm just sad that you are so dug in that you can't accept enough new input to form a more educated opinion.
And what's even sadder is that you don't take advantage of the resources that are presented to you, but continue to attack people who know what they're talking about.

Anyway - take a deep breath and relax your shoulders......
I'm done.





"More Educated"???

Isn't that the answer with all of you lefties. that you are somehow "More educated" when a person has clearly more knowledge of a subject than you and challenges you DIRECTLY as I have done here?

Isn't that always the COWARDLY comeback of a beaten Liberal thinker?

ANSWER MY QUESTIONS and debate ME...if I'm so 'stupid"....I've given you guys multiple chances...but you won't.

I mean, we're on a thread about Bernie Sanders and Socialism...are you gonna put up or shut up?



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 01:31 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

You are right. They don't want to get rid of capitalism...they just want to tax it more to the point that it needs to be bailed out again.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 01:32 PM
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All you keep saying is "Right Winger" and "I like Bernie"


I mentioned Right Wing propaganda once and I have never said I like Bernie. Don't lie to make yourself feel better.



Name a concept he has given which is nuanced and ANSWERS the current political problems.


My comments were not directed at anything Bernie said. My comment was about people not knowing what socialism actually is and how complex it is.



Enough with ME....ANSWER THE QUESTIONS


No.

I'm not going to be baited and waste my time with someone that lacks the basic ability to be respectful. Like I said earlier, it's complex and cannot be simply laid-out in a quick post.

Take that however you wish. If that means to you that I am not knowledgeable on the issue, so be it. What you think of me is hardly any real concern I am having at the moment.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 01:33 PM
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I'll ask one of you "Socialists" the question AGAIN...

Is a CENTRALLY PLANNED GOVERNMENT ENTITY, which touts to plan for the "greater good of the people", paid for by revenue and TAX PAYER money....a SOCIALIST practice...or a CAPITALIST one?

Simple question actually. Socialism 101 if you will.
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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 01:35 PM
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If it has escaped your notice that government and big business are so inextricably linked, that they share bowel movements and sections of their respiratory system at present, and that the meld between the two is older than any of us here, then I think we may have reached a point where lack of insight is a genuine stumbling block to intelligent discourse on the matter.

Put bluntly, saying one percenters and big business are not nearly as harmful as government, is a bit like saying that unstable uranium deposits are not dangerous, that it is only the radiation they emit which causes the damage. To that I say poppycock.

The very reason that there is so much corruption and blatant disregard for the people on show in government, is because government as it stands is no longer under the ownership of the majority, but bought and paid for by a minority of filthy rich investors, industry figures. It does not have nearly as much respect for its citizenry, as it does for its shareholders. Nothing important will change, until that fact ceases to be the case, and I hate to break it to you, but the sale of the United States of America has been going on for a very long time. This has been a gradual process, involving successive governments on both sides of the political spectrum (although for accuracies sake, we should probably say the one side, since the left in America basically does not exist, and is merely a watery version of the right).

There is no way that any of the republican candidates that have EVER stepped forward for a shot at the presidency, would EVER consider doing anything to upset that balance, because it would harm their stocks to do so. Trump never would! The only people whose opinion he cares about, have an awful lot to loose if the government are forced to cut ties with the corporate masters who are running the show! Hell, he stands to loose out personally if that ever happens anyway, and there is no one on this world he cares more about than himself!

There is only a remote chance that any of the democrat candidates might seek to change things, and then only if they have avoided taking the dime from one of the bigger players out there. Of all the possible candidates, Bernie seems the most likely not to give a toss what anyone with a vested interest has to say about matters, and that means that he is the most likely to actually change something for the better, or at least make a decent attempt to do so.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 01:35 PM
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Oh, you want me to hug you and join in a Kumbaya session? This is a political thread? Are we beer buddies or something.

I understand you won't answer the question, even though you're on a thread about the issue directly, and you are now defering to the 'complex' nature of it...as a convenient out...

Noted.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 01:44 PM
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If it has escaped your notice that government and big business are so inextricably linked, that they share bowel movements and sections of their respiratory system at present, and that the meld between the two is older than any of us here, then I think we may have reached a point where lack of insight is a genuine stumbling block to intelligent discourse on the matter.


Correct



Put bluntly, saying one percenters and big business are not nearly as harmful as government, is a bit like saying that unstable uranium deposits are not dangerous, that it is only the radiation they emit which causes the damage. To that I say poppycock.


Janet Yellen (recently), Fed Rats Hikes misplaced, Bernanke, the current migration in Europe and overnight cultural and economic impact...just to name a few examples about GOVERNMENT decisions by a few people which can devastate whole regions overnight



The very reason that there is so much corruption and blatant disregard for the people on show in government, is because government as it stands is no longer under the ownership of the majority, but bought and paid for by a minority of filthy rich investors, industry figures. It does not have nearly as much respect for its citizenry, as it does for its shareholders. Nothing important will change, until that fact ceases to be the case, and I hate to break it to you, but the sale of the United States of America has been going on for a very long time. This has been a gradual process, involving successive governments on both sides of the political spectrum (although for accuracies sake, we should probably say the one side, since the left in America basically does not exist, and is merely a watery version of the right).


True. But incorrect about the Left. They very MUCH exist. More as a cultural phenomenon than in economics, which if is what you're saying, I tend to agree



There is no way that any of the republican candidates that have EVER stepped forward for a shot at the presidency, would EVER consider doing anything to upset that balance, because it would harm their stocks to do so. Trump never would! The only people whose opinion he cares about, have an awful lot to loose if the government are forced to cut ties with the corporate masters who are running the show! Hell, he stands to loose out personally if that ever happens anyway, and there is no one on this world he cares more about than himself!


This weird meme that the 'rich' or stock holders are only "Republicans"....is weird, stupid, fallacious, and bizarre.



There is only a remote chance that any of the democrat candidates might seek to change things, and then only if they have avoided taking the dime from one of the bigger players out there. Of all the possible candidates, Bernie seems the most likely not to give a toss what anyone with a vested interest has to say about matters, and that means that he is the most likely to actually change something for the better, or at least make a decent attempt to do so.


You stated how Democrats are not much different than the Repubs, than you tout THEM as the ones being the only shot at changing the game. YET, we have Hillary and Bernie, 2 people with ZERO nuance, and tired regurgitated ideologies (from the University of Chicago rearing it's ugly head AGAIN)

Bernie has not given ONE idea which is nuanced or answer our current state directly. If you have one, please tell me...and let's break it down. I can MAYBE say his "Wall Street" tax, but that's it. All else is the same.

In fact at this point in our Nation, Bernie's policies could very much HURT us by slowing much needed GROWTH. We need a breakout policy now, not a tax and spend policy. We're in more dire straits than what we've been told.
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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 01:45 PM
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Is a CENTRALLY PLANNED GOVERNMENT ENTITY, which touts to plan for the "greater good of the people", paid for by revenue and TAX PAYER money....a SOCIALIST practice...or a CAPITALIST one?


I'll bite on just this.

Yes, it would be socialist, in the same way our military, police and many public works are socialist in nature.

You reap the benefits of socialism everyday.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 01:50 PM
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originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
a reply to: introvert

Oh, you want me to hug you and join in a Kumbaya session? This is a political thread? Are we beer buddies or something.

I understand you won't answer the question, even though you're on a thread about the issue directly, and you are now defering to the 'complex' nature of it...as a convenient out...

Noted.



A convenient out? Hardly.

As I said earlier, I would be more than willing to converse with you if you were not being so confrontational. Honestly, I've talked to Ivory-tower liberals that were more reasonable.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 01:51 PM
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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 01:52 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain



Is a CENTRALLY PLANNED GOVERNMENT ENTITY, which touts to plan for the "greater good of the people", paid for by revenue and TAX PAYER money....a SOCIALIST practice...or a CAPITALIST one?


I'll bite on just this.

Yes, it would be socialist, in the same way our military, police and many public works are socialist in nature.

You reap the benefits of socialism everyday.


1) Military is not touted as 'for the greater good". Military does not intervene in our daily lives by EDICT. Wrong
2) Police are another defensive and necessary force...again not in our DAILY LIVES by EDIT....wrong. Also funded LOCALLY.
3) Public works are payed by taxpayers. They are not PROGRAMS. They are services.

How does that compare to say Obamacare, which was a mandated centrally planned corporate insurance giveaway...which was FORCED as a 'tax'....or Bernie Sanders' "Youth Work Program" he touts as an idea.

HINT: the magical buzzword for socialism is always "Program"



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 01:54 PM
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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 01:54 PM
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originally posted by: AlaskanDad


Yes, we realize you "REDS" are still here. And your FOSSILS which graduated the University of Chicago (Liberal Elitist think tanks) are now of Presidential age...and bringing their FOSSILIZED Cold War senile ideology into the public mainstream....AGAIN!!

I.E. Bernie "Let's go back to 19th Century Europe and point to CAPITALIST Nordic Nations as proof" Sanders
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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 01:56 PM
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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 01:57 PM
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Whatever
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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 01:58 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Ahh the good old days, when commies were detained!

Wake up and smell the coffee, it's 2016!!!



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