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19.6 Trillion Dollars in Tax Increases...Can you feel the "Bern" now?

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posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 12:17 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated


3. As someone who makes more than $250k, I have no problem with this. However, are you going to cap my social security payout when I retire? I expect to fully get back what is owed me.


I'm sorry but I couldn't help but laugh when I saw this. I don't even know where to start though. Should I point out the fact that you're worried about Sanders' socialist programs taking away from your payout of another socialist program? Or should I focus on the karma angle? I mean if Sanders gets elected it will primarily be due to the will of the Millenials. And here you are worried that policies wanted by Millenials will affect your social security payout; when it was policies chosen by your generation that has all but guaranteed Millenials will never see a social security payout.




posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 12:31 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

I believe that Social Security will survive whether or not Sanders is elected president. But Bernie's brand of socialism will hurt the very people he purports to help. We will have much higher unemployment, wage stagnation, and a huge national debt that will fall upon the shoulders of our children and grand children for many decades to come.

Moreover, America will cease to be the land of opportunity, free enterprise, and incentive envisioned my our forefathers, and the promise of a better life made to all our past immigrants will be broken.
edit on 16-2-2016 by kendix1960 because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 12:33 PM
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But maybe somewhere in the middle. Until people who work 40+ plus hours can afford food, shelter, healthcare, something is terrible wrong in america. If you don't like the change that is coming, make your representatives offer something better.

In our forefathers time lots of things were free. Land for homesteading, forests for foraging food and medicine, animals to eat and hunt without trespassing signs everywhere. Those were the good ole days but they are dead.



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 12:43 PM
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originally posted by: kendix1960
a reply to: Xcalibur254
Moreover, America will cease to be the land of opportunity, free enterprise, and incentive envisioned my our forefathers, and the promise of a better life made to all our past immigrants will be broken.


It's a nice fantasy but America stopped being all those things a long time ago, & it's time we demolished the status quo, for better or worse. America became a service industry economy & yet as a society we look down on the very people whose jobs allow that economy to function. We've forced McDonald's & Walmart to be necessities of society & full time career positions then spit on the people working in those positions.

The new caste system in America.



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 01:07 PM
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a reply to: Esoterotica

If America stopped being all of those things a long time ago, then it is high time we quickly begin to restore the American dream for all of our people. Bernie will only make things much worse than they already are by reducing corporate earnings, crushing Wall Street and small business,and sapping incentive and free enterprise. We need an America that will no longer just be a service oriented society with low wages, long hours, and a limited future for so many. We are not going to accomplish these goals with excessive taxation and income redistribution that will only cause the employers of America to lay off more employees and increase the prices of their goods and services to make ends meet and/or to reduce the costs of doing business. It is the average American who will ultimately pay the freight for such folly. We can and MUST do better, and Sanders brand of democratic socialism just isn't the way to do it.



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 01:15 PM
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There are 2 big flaws.

1. Hoping the funds will be there
2. Spending instead of cutting

That is called dreaming. Like if you found 300k in your bank account. Would you do the right thing or would you spend it and deal with the consequence? Bernie is spending before he is at the ATM....



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 01:15 PM
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originally posted by: kendix1960
a reply to: Xcalibur254

I'm afraid we may be facing the prospect of the ultimate nightmare for America in the coming election for President: Trump vs Sanders. The right wing extremist vs the left wing extremist. Hopefully the coming primaries in South Carolina and Florida will see a reverse of that trend. I'm still hopeful that the voters in these states see the light and begin to take steps to avoid what I believe would be the ultimate disaster for our country.

Extremism on either the right or on the left is simply poison!
edit on 16-2-2016 by kendix1960 because: original post was a duplicate and had to be replaced.



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 01:16 PM
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You missed my point, but that is no surprise since logic is is in short supply in these progressive cry fest threads.

If you are going to increase the income cap for social security taxes are you then going to increase the amount entitled upon retirement to those who contributed more into the system?

The max social security payout is around $2600-$3500/mo depending on when you start receiving. The benefit is based on an average of your 35 year earning history. So if the max payout is based on someone paying taxes on their first $100k or so of income, if we remove the wage cap for increased social security taxes, it is only fair that the max payout is adjusted to reflect the higher contribution rates.

As someone in the minority who believes in personal responsibility, my retirement planning does not involve social security because I don't expect it to be there. I'm am not depending on the government to take care of me unlike some of you leeches. However, considering how much I've paid into the system, I want every dime I am entitled to when it gets to that point if it is still around.

Of course, since I'm actually saving my money, I'm sure one of you Bernie clones will come along and tell me I don't deserve my social security because I was responsible and put additional assets away for retirement.



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 01:20 PM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
There are 2 big flaws.

1. Hoping the funds will be there
2. Spending instead of cutting

That is called dreaming. Like if you found 300k in your bank account. Would you do the right thing or would you spend it and deal with the consequence? Bernie is spending before he is at the ATM....


Liberal financial management. I wanted a Ferrari, but instead bought a Porsche. Since the Porsche is $100k less than the Ferrari, I saved $100k even though I only make enough to afford a $20k Kia. I'll just put the difference on the credit card. Better yet, my neighbor makes more than me, I'll have him pay for it. After all, the car is for my kid and it is important that children learn how to drive. We have to do it for the children! And since the Porsche is a hybrid, we will create green jobs.



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 01:35 PM
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You bet Bernie is spending before he even reaches the ATM, but it is our money that he is spending!



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

I'd be curious to see the breakdown of that $20 trillion (if there is one). I know that little tweaks to things like increasing the income cap that SS tax is applied to, as well as continuing to increase the retirement age can have huge postive financial impacts.

Maybe he's planning on lots of little changes like that. Unfortunately, if his programs are ran by the government, I'm sure there will be bloat and mismanagement and the expected costs will likely be underestimated.


c'mon, get real....do you think he'll get any of his legislation passed with the republicans in charge of the entire congress?......"cold day in hell" is the phrase everyone would hear....how about the Bernie fans voting to change the makeup of the congress?.....hmmm.....the sound of crickets chirping



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 01:56 PM
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As long as its the rich and people who can afford to pay there taxes and the monies are well spent i really dont see the problem.

Its not like Clinton or Trump are going to offer a free ride if they were to become potus.



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 02:03 PM
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You bet neither Clinton or Trump, or Sanders will be offering any free ride. Quite the contrary. With Trump, we pay by losing our basic freedoms and with Sanders we pay through massive income redistribution. With Clinton we pay by having to endure four more years of Obama.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: kendix1960

What basic freedoms are you worried about Trump taking? Just curious....



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 10:27 AM
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Basically the freedoms of speech and assembly and also portions of the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment, particularly the birthright provision. He has actually said he'd like to get rid of this provision, and the way he has had hecklers and persons dressed like Muslims ejected from his political speeches is very disturbing relative to the first amendment.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 10:40 AM
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I think what he said was to make it more clearly defined. Look, we all know that it is the minority that makes it harder on the majority but there is no denying people come to this country to have a child. There should be better regulation.

As far as hecklers they should be thrown out. It is a 'private' function. Stand outside and protest all you want. He has not tried to stop that. The one Muslim woman you are referring to is also a CAIR member and long time activist. She should have planned better and had 100's outside chanting at the people going in. Instead she made sure to get on CNN....by herself.

Trump is not against the framework of our constitution. Quite the opposite.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 10:52 AM
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Thanks for your analysis, metafuchs, but I simply don't agree. In my opinion, Donald trump is a very dangerous demagogue and megalomaniac. His attitude toward anyone who disagrees with him has been amply demonstrated time and time again. He has no respect for women or Hispanics, or Muslims. His immigration proposals range from unworkable to outrageous.

His crude insulting language makes him a poor role model for this country. He is more buffoon than anything else and international leaders have no respect for him except for Putin. Why would a major presidential candidate want the endorsement of one of America's most dangerous adversaries and why do you suppose Putin likes Trump? Its not because Putin plans to be nice to Sir Donald and that's for sure!

Trump is a potential dictator, in my opinion, and that's the last thing this country needs.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 11:04 AM
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And we are all entitled to our opinions. If not, we would not be the country we are. As far as Putin, it is better to keep friends close and enemies closer. Right now Putin is running free in Eastern Europe. I would much rather see Trump speak to him than Sanders.

It is an interesting season to say the least....



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 12:37 PM
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Frankly, Metafuchs, I wouldn't want to see either Trump or Sanders talking to Putin. Vladimir would chew either one of them up and then spit out the bones! BTW as a general principle I fully agree that it is best to keep our friends close and our enemies closer. In the case of Trump and Sanders, I hope neither of them ever reach the White House.



posted on Feb, 17 2016 @ 06:44 PM
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Think Trump may remove quite a few Muslim peoples basic freedom to enter into the USA.

Then you have the wall he proposes around the southern border states which is hardly an endorsement of freedom in general. Certainly not for the poor Mexicans who he expects to somehow foot the bill.



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