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19.6 Trillion Dollars in Tax Increases...Can you feel the "Bern" now?

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posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 10:21 AM
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originally posted by: kendix1960
a reply to: [post=20341505] Momof3 You bet!!




posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 12:09 PM
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a reply to: MOMof3

Just for you:






For the rest of you complaining of taxes:




posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 12:31 PM
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Where does the money come from though? These are all 'dreams' of how to get funding. If he could not get it passed as a senator how can he get it passed as the POTUS?

Rebuild America Act - Taxing offshore income that they will try to find? Like that won't be wrapped up in litigation till the next POTUS. More taxes in the mean time.

College For All - On Wall Street Speculators taxes...if you tax the hell out of the rich guess what, there is no investment. So, instead, you have to find the money elsewhere...more taxes.

SSEA - Remove the cap and.....you collect more for people that already paid into it? What is the benefit here. Just a talking point...

Employee Young Americans Now Act - So, again we bet on the rich so we can tax them more...

12 weeks of leave - There is already FMLA but now you want to take people out of the workplace, pay them, make the employer also pay taxes and if you do not think that the FMLA is already rife with fraud now you will be paying those people. This is not Europe...

Keep our Pension Act - guess we tax that art on the Cruiseships higher when you go through customs, huh?

Then end tax breaks for fossil business. This should be done just to do it...

and last, Free Medical coverage, again, paid for on the back of not just the employee but the employer who already pays enough taxes.

It is atrocious...



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

It sure is atrocious! Nothing less than income redistribution. All Sanders will do is cause massive unemployment and remove all incentive among corporate and business interests. Retired people will see their savings reduced as the stock market tanks in an atmosphere of high capital gains taxes and lower dividends combined with lower corporate earnings.

When the employers in America have less money, they will lay people off and reduce staff. Who will suffer the most? Seniors on a fixed income with 401k accounts and IRA's, and people seeking good jobs at higher wages. Bernie will actually hurt the folks he wants to help and drive the country into a depression at best, or a deep depression at worst.

This is supposed to be the land of opportunity and free enterprise. Under Sanders it no longer will be either of these things. Just a sea of red ink as far as the eye can see. Our children and grand children will pay down the debt for decades to come. That's not the America our forefathers and patriots dies for in the past, or the America I want to see in the future!



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 01:37 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

Don't you sale healthcare insurance?



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad

Free health insurance appeals to all on paper, but someone has to pay for it. If the employers has to pay for it, or for part of it, the cost of doing so will be passed on to the consumer who purchases goods and services from that employer. There just aren't any free lunches out there, Bernie. Only the smoke and mirrors you're trying to pass on to the American people on a plate full of socialism!



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 04:32 PM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad

No, I deal with clients that do. 3rd party. I am a business consultant. I have seen good small companies, less than 500, be dissolved based on fines, taxes and health care alone. it is very very tough.

I believe for health insurance there should be a federally matched HSA up to x amount dollars. Tax free that you pay into and use for the year. What you do not use...you get back. It would also bring down cost in the long run for procedures also. If you still want to get health insurance, go for it, but with greater competition.

No tax if you choose not to have it.



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 06:22 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

No tax if you choose not to have it would be a great option, but Sanders has other ideas to finance his health insurance plans.

Many good small businesses have indeed been taxed and regulated to death, and Bernie's brand of socialism will only increase those sad numbers.

And anyone who thinks that Sanders is any less corrupt than others in politics today is in for a rude surprise. Simon Pure the old Bern is not!



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 09:03 AM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad

Is that your chart or is it on the website? I did a quick look but did not find it. I think that to implement these ideas, it will be expensive to initiate. But it would be an investment into the future. Is that not the basics of Wall Street and capitalism, betting on the future? For 30 years they have been betting on the wrong elements. But Bernie cannot do this alone. Congress needs to be over hauled.


edit on 16-2-2016 by MOMof3 because: sp



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 10:39 AM
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a reply to: matafuchs

I don't know why we continue that failed model of tying healthcare to the employer. I never believed my employer should be responsible for my healthcare. But it was a model to keep wages low disguised in benefits.



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 11:05 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3

Keeping wages low disguised in benefits is a smoke and mirrors trick and always has been. It is the employee who winds up getting the short end of the stick. The health care paid by the employer gets passed on to the consumer of the goods and services provided, and one way or the other it is the employee who pays the freight. I agree with you, Momof3!



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 11:06 AM
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originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: MOMof3

Just for you:






For the rest of you complaining of taxes:





1. When tax something, you get less of it. You'd see more companies relocating out of the US. What you want to do is lower the tax burden so the companies are incentived to repatriate those funds.

2. College for all? How about we make sure kids can read or write in high school first. Secondly, government paying for college is not going to lower the costs. We already see how unlimited student loans has inflated the cost of college. Third, are you going to give up your own retirement funds as that is what is going to be decimated by these so called speculation taxes.

3. As someone who makes more than $250k, I have no problem with this. However, are you going to cap my social security payout when I retire? I expect to fully get back what is owed me.

4. Carried Interest. Don't really have a problem with this as I think we should have one flat tax on all income regardless of how it is derived. However, I'm sure you are versed enough on private equity to debate this, so I'll just grant this one.

5. Don't have a problem with increased leave, however, someone has to pay for it. Many companies already offer it. there is no need for government to do so.

6. Inheritances should not be taxed. PERIOD. It is utter greed that goverment attempts to confiscate property from heirs that was earned post tax. It is double taxation. I don't care if you inherit $50 bucks or $50 billion.

7. Cut off all business subsidies from corn to big oil to green energy. The government should not be interfering with free markets.

8. We can debate healthcare solutions. Far too complicated to simply say medicare for all.



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 11:14 AM
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a reply to: Edumakated

Your response 1-8 means nothing to me, but thanks for taking the time. All old ideas and excuses. At 65, I have hear them all. I am with the young people on this, change is going to happen. If it takes a socialist or a loud mouth rebel, I will vote for either.



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 11:18 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Edumakated

Your response 1-8 means nothing to me, but thanks for taking the time. All old ideas and excuses. At 65, I have hear them all. I am with the young people on this, change is going to happen. If it takes a socialist or a loud mouth rebel, I will vote for either.


And your unicorns and pots of gold at the end of the rainbow fantasies mean nothing to me either. However, I realize I may have to pay for this folly while it crashes and burns just like all these other grand progressive ideas.



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 11:32 AM
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a reply to: Edumakated

And there is the old attack and fear when all else fails. You'll be fine.



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 11:36 AM
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a reply to: [post=20380787] Momof3

I hope you don't really want to accept the Sanders brand of socialism, although I respect your right to do so of course. But I'm not prepared to see America go down that primrose path. This is and must remain a free enterprise based country in my opinion. Our forefathers died to make sure the U.S.A. would always be the land of opportunity and incentive for those willing to work hard. Income redistribution simply will not work here and cannot be disguised as a progressive approach to a healthy economy.



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 11:44 AM
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a reply to: kendix1960

It is my observation that small businesses, who really are individuals, have been taking it along with laborers for the past 40 years. Unions and small businesses had a good symbiosis relationship. Most did not have to compete with union labor, because of low skill positions, family and not reaching for the highest possible debt against their business. There were county hospitals and the healthcare was not on the employer. I am not saying "the times were better", I have just lived long to see what works and what does not. By the Grace of God.



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 11:56 AM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad

So, "free" stuff.................all by taxing more people more.

Great plan.

Moronic, not sustainable, basically theft but great. **SMH**



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 12:00 PM
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a reply to: MOMof3

I agree that small businesses has been under the gun for a long time. But I do believe that small business will suffer under the system proposed by Sanders. The free enterprise way of life which is the foundation for the small business man or woman to thrive will be badly compromised under a sea of higher taxes necessary to pay for Bernie's brand of socialism. It isn't just Wall Street that will be paying the freight if Sanders is elected president.



posted on Feb, 16 2016 @ 12:11 PM
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originally posted by: kendix1960
a reply to: MOMof3

I agree that small businesses has been under the gun for a long time. But I do believe that small business will suffer under the system proposed by Sanders. The free enterprise way of life which is the foundation for the small business man or woman to thrive will be badly compromised under a sea of higher taxes necessary to pay for Bernie's brand of socialism. It isn't just Wall Street that will be paying the freight if Sanders is elected president.


Small businesses always get crushed by excessive regulations. Not only small businesses, but your high income professionals will also be harmed as well.

They will rant and rave about big evil corporations, but then pass regulations and laws that affect the small to medium sized company. The megabanks and F500 can spread the cost around whereas your smaller company cannot. They will rant and rave about millionaires and billionaires but then write the law to affect those making $250k/yr. There is a big difference between a typical Doctor or middle management professional making $250k/yr and someone making $50 million a year but both would be considered in top 1% of income earners.




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