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19.6 Trillion Dollars in Tax Increases...Can you feel the "Bern" now?

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posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 02:40 AM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
Yes folks, you are reading that correctly. 19.6 Trillion Dollars in Taxes in the next decade are proposed by Mr Sanders to 'pay' for his agenda. He is not dicussing how to balance the budget but how he will try to rob from the rich to give away free things. Free Healthcare(but you and your employer are taxed) and free college tuition and so on and so on. Socialism for ALL!!!!


www.washingtonexaminer.com...



Taken together, Sanders is proposing $19.6 trillion in new taxes over a decade, according to an analysis by the Washington Examiner, of which $14 trillion would come from his healthcare plan alone. To put that in perspective, the Congressional Budget Office projects that federal revenues over the next 10 years will be a total of $41.6 trillion, meaning that Sanders would raise taxes by 47 percent over current levels


The main part of this idea is a 'tax' for businesses that would be used to 'partially' pay for his Medicare based Single payer health coverage. There is also a tax to use the worker. He is also for ending tax breaks on those same employers who provide healthcare...uh...what?

Hey, he also wants to raise the FSOC limit so we can pay MORE taxes....oh, and another tax to finance mandatory family leave. HE wants to tax oil companies at a time when gas is about a buck also.

First it was just leaving you change from your paycheck...now it is going to Bern a hole in it and nothing will be left.


And of course this is MUCH MUCH worse than increasing the gap between rich and poor, and destroying the health sector so only those with money can get care.

I never understood "the land of oppotunity".... all I see is a nation full of egotiscial illeterate a-holes that would rather let the banks suck you dry for the illusion of freedom, than actually caring about your fellow human beings.

No one gives a damn if you earn this or that last year or what f'ing car you drive or house you live in, however people do care if you piss up and down the back of those who fight through every day.

Shame on you.

I'm Danish by the way, so I know all about paying taxes....
edit on 30/1/16 by flice because: (no reason given)




posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 09:13 AM
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a reply to: flice

It is the Land of Opportunity that Sanders will destroy. You bet Bern will burn a hole in all of our pockets. I'm glad you also see the danger coming. He'll tax and spend the country into oblivion. I hope many others will see the danger as well before it's too late!



posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 10:29 AM
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We have multi decades of war behind us and in front of us. The poor and working people have no more to take. They are not even provided with the safety of clean water anymore. We cannot keep borrowing, taxes must go up.



posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 12:13 PM
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a reply to: MOMof3

Depends where you propose to raise the taxes though. To strength our military so we can meet our international obligations, yes. But to raise taxes only with regard to those elements of society that provide jobs and security to our people ,no! Hence NO the "BERN" and no to socialism. And yes to free enterprise and enterprising corporations and independent, enterprising businessmen who believe in, and who persevere to protect our American Dream.



posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 12:18 PM
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a reply to: kendix1960

And that is what congress is elected for. They need to start doing their job. You and I can come up with what ought to be's but we don't make the laws or write the budget. These vets are right about being political tools then discarded when it counts. Been happening to our vets since Viet Nam. I am ashamed that the WW2 generation allowed that to happen to their sons and grandsons and daughters.



posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 01:04 PM
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a reply to: MOMof3

You are so right, MoMof3! Our present Congress has been negligent for a long time now. Asleep at the switch, especially with respect to our armed forces and veterans. President Obama and the democrats he controls in Congress are an excellent example of the blind leading the blind and doing so from behind! Time to replace this pied piper with a real leader who knows how to get America moving forward again instead of backward!



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 01:15 AM
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a reply to: kendix1960

You still haven't answered my question.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 01:46 AM
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a reply to: Daedalus

I agree we already pay the IRS too much in taxes and that a more simplified and equatable tax code that allows Americans to keep more of their hard earned wages is in order. But Bernie Sanders has already told us that he plans to raise taxes even higher to fund a single payer health insurance plan that would replace Obama Care, and to expand social security and other social oriented programs as part of his income redistribution approach to economic problems. Sanders just doesn't subscribe to the idea of free enterprise and incentive and thinks he will help the disadvantaged by punishing corporations and businessmen who provide the jobs to the very people Sanders wants to help. The result will just be more unemployment, lower wages and deep recession.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 03:24 AM
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a reply to: kendix1960

This treatment of our veterans has been happening since Viet Nam, with D and R presidents. I think Obama was a kid then. This is your fault, and other voters. You give a pass to the hirelings in congress who control the purse strings. Charity does not educate more medical professionals. We still have soldiers in harms way, so more to come.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3

I agree that the treatment of our veterans must dramatically improve regardless of party. For myself, free passes for incompetent congressmen and congresswomen simply doesn't exist. Politicians must earn the vote of the electorate. After all, they are there to serve the folks who elected them. It's just not the other way around like some of them like to. believe.

While the above situation does go back to a time when Obama was just a kid, that doesn't excuse the fact that this president hasn't done anything to rectify or improve things while in office with the opportunity to act. He must therefore be held accountable.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 10:11 AM
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a reply to: kendix1960

Between now and January 2017 with this congress? That would be a fruitless endeavor.
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posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 11:03 AM
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originally posted by: kendix1960
a reply to: Semicollegiate

The labels just don't matter. Left wing, right wing etc. isn't where it's at. What Sanders proposes, no matter what you wish to call it, will bankrupt America and cause a depression. Higher taxes without a ceiling and massive spending combined with too much regulation would bring down Wall Street, cripple small business, and result in more unemployment. The very people Sanders wants to help would be the ones who would be hurt the most.


I agree.

Every single action the government takes increases the cost of necessities. Every regulation, tax, and redistribution takes resources away from the most consumer oriented use and gives it to plutocrats and politicos. Only economic activity increases wealth throughout the society, because profit motivates folks to make stuff cheap so as to sell to everybody.

Politics is theft.

Bernie Sanders in the 1800's and we would still be riding street cars and starving.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 11:07 AM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

The last Republican president doubled the national debt from 6 trillion to 12 trillion.

How can republicans take themselves seriously if they think only a democrat will add to the debt?



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 11:29 AM
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originally posted by: elitegamer23
a reply to: Semicollegiate

The last Republican president doubled the national debt from 6 trillion to 12 trillion.

How can republicans take themselves seriously if they think only a democrat will add to the debt?




The Republicans are FDR Democrats.

I have voted for Ron Paul and only Ron Paul. I had no expectation of any chance for Dr. Paul to get elected but the longer he was in the media, the more people heard the truth about economics and politics.

Both parties have been big gov spenders since 1896 when both parties were in favor of the gov inflating the money system. Inflation is the only sure way to grow government by the way.

Voter turnout has fallen steadily since then.



The last "Republican", in other words, the last major party small government conservative, ran as a Democrat in 1892.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

And the humor of our two sided political system is a majority on both sides fail to see reality.

I also voted for Ron Paul in the iowa caucus .
Only person I ever donated money to as well.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

One thing is absolutely certain. If Bernie Sanders becomes president, the national debt will exponentially grow.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 11:42 AM
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originally posted by: kendix1960
a reply to: Semicollegiate

One thing is absolutely certain. If Bernie Sanders becomes president, the national debt will exponentially grow.



Are you saying this won't be a given with any of the candidates on both sides ?

The last republican doubled the debt .



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 11:57 AM
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a reply to: elitegamer23

I think you're correct that the debt will likely go up no matter who becomes president regardless of the party label, but there is no doubt that the debt will go up much much higher if Sander's is elected.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 12:05 PM
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originally posted by: kendix1960
a reply to: elitegamer23

I think you're correct that the debt will likely go up no matter who becomes president regardless of the party label, but there is no doubt that the debt will go up much much higher if Sander's is elected.


Well sitting on nearly 20 trillion in debt can anyone get a pass for raising it just one dollar more ?

I hope you have a serious problem with all the candidates because they will add to the problem you seem so adamant about.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 12:16 PM
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It is about stopping spending before you think about raising taxes to pay for your needs. I am not against everyone having health coverage. With what the US is collecting now in taxes we should be able to pay for it. But this is like a rogue spouse with a Black AMEX...they keep spending and spending knowing something is coming in but not knowing what is going out.

The basics in this country have eroded. The American Dream of the 50's is gone. Sad but gone. There was hope and jobs and prosperity. Then you could think about starting your own business. Now, people are more concerned about minimum wage to 'get by'.

We cannot elect anyone who wants to raise taxes out of the gate without a plan to lower it or restructure finance and Bern is not it. He is great for a small town but on a level where you have a multitude of people it will not work. He will be surrounded by the same cabinet/elected officials that his been there for the last 30 years. It is not working.

He is saying we will tax the rich more but you will be taxed higher also and people are ok with that? It should be tax cuts for the lower and middle class and less options for the rich. A fair tax or a flat tax system is needed. Take away business short-cuts and exemptions and it brings in jobs. Start taxing people more and they will take their money and businesses overseas.

His campaign is working the millennials but it will not be enough in the end.




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