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19.6 Trillion Dollars in Tax Increases...Can you feel the "Bern" now?

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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 08:18 PM
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originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DBCowboy
If anyone is interested in how the US government would run healthcare, just look at any VA hospital.

6 month waiting lines, slow, poor service, basically putting you off until you die so they don't have to spend the money to treat you.

No thanks.


Absurd. A vet can walk in to any VA and receive the treatment they need.


Patently false according to even OBAMAS own data


Provide a source please.


I'm on a phone, I don't know how to link fr ok my it.

You asserted that a military member can walk into a VA hospital and get f he care they need. That is patently false to this day given the entire "VA backlog and care" situation is still ongoing.

*from it


That is a disability claims backlog, not a backlog to receive care.


And those claims are about treatment of mental and physical injuries, which isn't or us covered, surgery, treatment, etc.

That's the whole issue of the backlog


No it's not. It's a backlog of receiving disability benefits (payments) from the US Military.




posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 08:21 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Show us your proof please. I know vets that are not getting treatment.Many. I have good friends who work at the VA in St Pete and Tampa. They tell me a different story.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 08:28 PM
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Whether you're a socialist who loves the way the VA is run or an actual vet who has seen deplorable conditions, the fact is, if Sanders had his way, if Hillary had her way or any socialist for that matter, the US hospital system would look like the VA.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 08:29 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

Gladly.


VA's claims backlog includes disability compensation and pension claims received by VA that require a rating decision. This claims bundle includes initial and supplemental claims for service-connected disabilities for Veterans and their survivors, Agent Orange-related claims, and pension claims for Veterans. Once VA decides a claim, it’s no longer in the claims inventory. If a Veteran appeals a benefits decision, the appealed claim is tracked separately.


benefits.va.gov...

By looking at their information, it appears the backlog is dwindling.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 08:30 PM
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I cant express enough how happy I am that I live in a country with universal healthcare. I can't imagine a life where people are so paranoid of poor people that they would rather pay through their nose what ever private insurers demand, rather than entertain the idea that you could pay a lot less and poor people wont have to pay anything at all.

Thank god I live in a civillized country and I'm sure my opinion is shared by 58 other nations which include all of Europe.

Good luck America.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 08:34 PM
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Report: nearly one-third of veterans in VA backlog died before receiving VA healthcare


hotair.com...



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 08:37 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

Report: nearly one-third of veterans in VA backlog died before receiving VA healthcare


hotair.com...


Follow the links, cowboy. It's important.



While the number is large -- representing nearly a third of those listed as pending -- some of the applicants may have died years ago. The VA has no mechanism to purge the list of dead applicants, and some of those applying, according to VA spokeswoman Walinda West, likely never completed the application, yet remain on the pending list anyway. West said the VA electronic health record system has been in place since 1985, suggesting some of the data may be decades old and some of those people may have gone on to use other insurance.


www.huffingtonpost.com...



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 08:42 PM
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a reply to: introvert

And?

This is the future of US healthcare under socialism.

yay!



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 08:44 PM
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There are a lot of people in this thread screaming that socialism absolutely doesn't work, and that we need more de-regulation.

Well isn't that what brought us into this mess in the first place?

It's time to stop treating healthcare as a privilege, it pains me that the US is the only industrialized nation where this sort of mentality is acceptable. Healthcare should be a g-d damn right for everyone.

And if we go broke doing it, then so be it. I'd rather go broke because we TRIED to help our people instead of going broke because we dropped too many bombs on people
edit on 19-1-2016 by muse7 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 08:44 PM
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Yet you enjoy that big evil Capitalism...with your coffee and paper...no doubt privately owned, manufactured and distributed....

Unless you guys get rations of coffee....? Are you to that point yet?


But how can that be ?!

According to many of you Americans, there's no such thing as being able to combine capitalism and socialism to find a happy medium.

Hell no... there can only be 100% capitalism or 100% communism/socialism.

You either live in the USA (where freedom reigns supreme)... or you live in a non-american evil socialistic communist politically-correct libtard hell hole.

Amirite ?




And yes, I'm thoroughly enjoying my coffee and paper whilst watching the silly circus acts in these types of threads.

Thanks.




posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 08:47 PM
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And?


And that refutes the entire premise.



This is the future of US healthcare under socialism.


No. That is the reality when we choose to spend more tax-payer dollars on war and Security than the welfare of the people that fight the wars for us.

It's all about priorities.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 08:52 PM
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a reply to: muse7

All due respect, my friend, but you are appealing to their sense of responsibility and humanity.

I have learned from years of experience, for whatever it is worth, that many people have neither.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 09:08 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

This kind of argument has always puzzled me. First of all we know factually that the costs of healthcare in the US, both in aggregate and per capita, are the highest in the world, but the quality of the healthcare is mediocre compared to other industrialized, and even poorer countries. And in every country where universal healthcare exists, it is affordable.

This idea that the taxpayers will pay for it seems to suggest that they are not paying for it now, well they are in many ways, but now it is directly to the insurance companies. So if your taxes go up $500 but your out of pocket expenses and premiums are eliminated (which from talking to my American friends seems to eat up a massive amount of their paycheques) then I am not sure how this is a bad deal.

Yes I live in a country with a universal free healthcare. My total out of pocket costs for healthcare and premiums is.. $0. Now my taxes are a higher than the US by several thousand dollars but when I was considering moving to the US I worked out that the lower taxes I would pay were more than offset by the substantial increase in direct costs for health care.

The big difference I see is that both US and Universal systems are a form of health insurance, but the Universal system distributes the costs and risk more equitably. The US system takes a lot of your money and puts it in the pockets of insurance companies, whereas in the socialized system, the money remains in the system to be used for health care.

I'm just baffled by Americans who cling to their system. They are welcome to it if they want it but, I'm not sure why they do.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 09:18 PM
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originally posted by: heterodox
a reply to: matafuchs

This kind of argument has always puzzled me. First of all we know factually that the costs of healthcare in the US, both in aggregate and per capita, are the highest in the world, but the quality of the healthcare is mediocre compared to other industrialized, and even poorer countries. And in every country where universal healthcare exists, it is affordable.

This idea that the taxpayers will pay for it seems to suggest that they are not paying for it now, well they are in many ways, but now it is directly to the insurance companies. So if your taxes go up $500 but your out of pocket expenses and premiums are eliminated (which from talking to my American friends seems to eat up a massive amount of their paycheques) then I am not sure how this is a bad deal.

Yes I live in a country with a universal free healthcare. My total out of pocket costs for healthcare and premiums is.. $0. Now my taxes are a higher than the US by several thousand dollars but when I was considering moving to the US I worked out that the lower taxes I would pay were more than offset by the substantial increase in direct costs for health care.

The big difference I see is that both US and Universal systems are a form of health insurance, but the Universal system distributes the costs and risk more equitably. The US system takes a lot of your money and puts it in the pockets of insurance companies, whereas in the socialized system, the money remains in the system to be used for health care.

I'm just baffled by Americans who cling to their system. They are welcome to it if they want it but, I'm not sure why they do.


What is the US tax rate? Here in Canada with my federal tax, provincial tax, Canada pension and employment insurance, my deductions are about 27% . It goes down to like 25% after I max out on Canada pension. It works out to about 1800/month all in including my healthcare. It sounds like from reading these Bernie threads that many Americans pay almost that much in JUST healthcare insurance.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 09:21 PM
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a reply to: muse7

It's time to grow up and realize that health care is something actual people go to school for many years in order to learn how to provide to others, that in order to consider it YOUR right to have, you have to marginalize that fact and consider the sacrifices and labor of those who provide it to you inconsequential.

You have to consider them your slaves, at your beck and call to give you what your want when you want it.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 09:26 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: muse7

It's time to grow up and realize that health care is something actual people go to school for many years in order to learn how to provide to others, that in order to consider it YOUR right to have, you have to marginalize that fact and consider the sacrifices and labor of those who provide it to you inconsequential.

You have to consider them your slaves, at your beck and call to give you what your want when you want it.



It's time for you to grow up and realize that somethings are more important than money or profit.

Thankfully the corrupted geezer whiteys and their corrupted offspring are gonna become a minority.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 09:34 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: muse7

It's time to grow up and realize that health care is something actual people go to school for many years in order to learn how to provide to others, that in order to consider it YOUR right to have, you have to marginalize that fact and consider the sacrifices and labor of those who provide it to you inconsequential.

You have to consider them your slaves, at your beck and call to give you what your want when you want it.



They seem to do it fine in 58 countries around the world.

Are you completely ignorant to the fact that there is universal healthcare in many countries and that the people there are happy with it. We make jokes about the bills people get in the US because it is a joke. You are defending your position at the butt end off a joke. Do you not get that?



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 09:37 PM
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a reply to: introvert

So you believe the status of the VA from the ....VA?



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 09:40 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: muse7

It's time to grow up and realize that health care is something actual people go to school for many years in order to learn how to provide to others, that in order to consider it YOUR right to have, you have to marginalize that fact and consider the sacrifices and labor of those who provide it to you inconsequential.

You have to consider them your slaves, at your beck and call to give you what your want when you want it.



The majority of people that work in the healthcare field are nurses/aids that learn their craft in a matter of months, not years. They are not paid according to their workload and I think it is insulting you would marginalize their contributions by advocating for the very mindset that ensures they are underpaid and left feeling "inconsequential".



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 09:41 PM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: introvert

So you believe the status of the VA from the ....VA?


Can you do better?

Please feel free to provide better statistics.

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