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19.6 Trillion Dollars in Tax Increases...Can you feel the "Bern" now?

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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:34 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

If I were in the bracket that ought to be paying that, it wouldn't be a problem.




posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:34 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
As I said earlier, I would be more than willing to converse with you if you were not being so confrontational.

I hope Bernie tries this defense during the general election debates.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:36 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: DBCowboy

If I were in the bracket that ought to be paying that, it wouldn't be a problem.


Pay it now.

How does it feel?



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

That's ridiculous - that entire premise.

/shrug


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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:41 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: DBCowboy

That's ridiculous - that entire premise.

/shrug



You're really good at spending others peoples money.

Why not try to feel how 80% would affect yourself?



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:44 PM
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Is 'move the goalposts' the new catch phrase. I always like when someone uses a phrase and then the person who is usually opposing them uses it a few pages later.

Bernie Sanders has supported Communist and Socialist regimes his who life. Cuba. Nicaragua. Vermont...that is his right. However, he does not have that right to base the US on that type of platform and that is what he is doing.

What happened to hard work?
What happened to honest work?
What happened to low taxes?
What happened to a small central government who does not tell me what to do?
What happened to states rights?

This is what our country was founded on. You don't like, leave. Flat out. You are right. People are angry and I for one am tired of bankrolling year after year more for those who now simply take.

I am not against welfare. People need help. But not for 15 years.
I am not against health care assistance for low income families. However, I want to choose if I can or cannot have coverage and who I get it from. IT IS A LAW to have it now and I sure as hell do not the Government to tell me what my coverage is.
I am not against immigration. I am second generation from Ireland. My grandmother came of the boat. Legally...not through a hole in a fence to pop out a baby and stick around.
I am again not against immigration. I worked in the food industry and know quite a few people who worked OT to send checks back to the Baltic States or Central America. Hard working people who spent their last dime on family.
I am not against taxes were applicable but it is straight up jealousy when someone says TAX the rich higher. That is all it is.

I am however against Bernie Sanders and will make sure anyone I talk to that is understands all of these policies he wants to implement.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:46 PM
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Okay, so - here, I'll do the homework for you guys...
ready?

Doesn't socialism mean that the government will own and run everything?


Democratic socialists do not want to create an all-powerful government bureaucracy. But we do not want big corporate bureaucracies to control our society either. Rather, we believe that social and economic decisions should be made by those whom they most affect.

Today, corporate executives who answer only to themselves and a few wealthy stockholders make basic economic decisions affecting millions of people. Resources are used to make money for capitalists rather than to meet human needs. We believe that the workers and consumers who are affected by economic institutions should own and control them.

Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives. Democratic socialists favor as much decentralization as possible.


Hasn't socialism been discredited by the collapse of Communism in the USSR and Eastern Europe?


Socialists have been among the harshest critics of authoritarian Communist states. Just because their bureaucratic elites called them “socialist” did not make it so; they also called their regimes “democratic.” Democratic socialists always opposed the ruling party-states of those societies, just as we oppose the ruling classes of capitalist societies.


And so on and so forth.
All right there.

You're welcome.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:47 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

I don't have other people's money to spend.

My husband and I work as a team to keep things working here.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

You have a hard time understanding the polls you use in your own threads, let alone the intricacies of Sander's policies. Forgive me if I chuckle at the idea of you educating anyone on that topic.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:49 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: DBCowboy

I don't have other people's money to spend.

My husband and I work as a team to keep things working here.


No. You just vote and support people who want to take other peoples money and spend it.

Imagine coughing up 80% to pay for someone else's lifestyle.

Doesn't matter if you can afford it or not, it doesn't matter if it is yours.

You have more money than others, so that is justification enough to take it.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:51 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy


Why not try to feel how 80% would affect yourself?

Ohhh!! Well, if you put it like that....

okay -
so, we're pretending that I'm worth 500 billion dollars, then? Right.


Yeah - you make that happen, and then I'll tell you how it feels to have to give up a few billion and still have what I have left: 20%.

100000000000

YOU count the zeroes.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 02:53 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: DBCowboy


Why not try to feel how 80% would affect yourself?

Ohhh!! Well, if you put it like that....

okay -
so, we're pretending that I'm worth 500 billion dollars, then? Right.


Yeah - you make that happen, and then I'll tell you how it feels to have to give up a few billion and still have what I have left: 20%.

100000000000

YOU count the zeroes.


Nope. You honestly think that the middle class won't see a raise in taxes?



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 03:00 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy


Nope. You honestly think that the middle class won't see a raise in taxes?

No, I don't think that the middle class would NOT see a rise in taxes....because that isn't true.
They will INDEED see a raise in taxes. A modest raise in taxes, which would be offset by the elimination of out-of-pocket expense regarding insurance, health care, education, etc. $10 now, or $100 later.


You pay a little to feel secure that it's all taken care of. No worries.

Or - you DON'T pay a little, and your costs are out of your own pocket as you go, and if you have a catastrophic illness or accident - well, you're screwed.

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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 03:03 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: DBCowboy

I don't have other people's money to spend.

My husband and I work as a team to keep things working here.


No. You just vote and support people who want to take other peoples money and spend it.

Imagine coughing up 80% to pay for someone else's lifestyle.

Doesn't matter if you can afford it or not, it doesn't matter if it is yours.

You have more money than others, so that is justification enough to take it.


Are you saying there is a free market and that the elite haven't created a neofeudelist state?

Capitalism is in its dying stages. Wealth has been consolidated, efficiency will soon outpace the labour market widely, and consumption can not continue without major environmental impact as the billions in the emerging markets become rabid consumers.

Thinking capitalism will continue is like hoping the past stays the present. The french revolution was great but the aristocracy has returned in the form of CEO's.

I wish it wasn't true. Capitalism was good for a while. Then the Republicans ruined it. Thanks Richard Nixon. Though it was already showing signs of fatigue as the industrialists became the new aristocracy.

The free market has been dead for a while. It's about time economists start planning on the inevitable. Automation's fulfillment will be the last stage of the free market. If business leaders cared so much for the economy and free markets they would accept more taxes on their personal wealth to relieve corporate taxes.

I am not a fan of unopposed socialism since there is a serious chance of even greater corruption but the free market today is a myth.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 03:09 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs
Sub-optimal healthcare, a worthless college degree, and free* insurance, all for just 200% of my current taxation?!?

What a deal!



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 03:13 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

If I had been lucky enough to win that powerball I'd have spent 80+% of it helping others. Would have dedicated my life to putting almost every cent to work for others. Not some small percent that sounds like a lot.

All I would do for myself is, get all my friends and family out of debt, and a little extra, buy myself some land and a modest house. Get some pets to keep me company, and go back to school. Basically I'd have kept maybe 10 million for myself. As I've said before I have no problem with millionaires, just extremes.

The rest would go towards helping others as I did my family. Seeking out good honest people in need and giving them a hand up. Would be a chance to see the world and meet a lot of people.

I'd live exceptionally well on that 10 million for myself. Out of say roughly 1,000,000,000 before taxes that 10 million for myself = .01%. Why? Because I can live comfortably and happily for the rest of my life with 10 million dollars, and anyone who can't has serious issues.

So I just taxed myself 99.99% of 1,000,000,000 dollars. I think if I had 1 trillion dollars + being taxed 80% on 100,000 plus a year wouldn't hurt me at all.
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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 03:14 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Man, you just do not stop do you? How about you try to stick with this thread. If you like we can jump over to the other and discuss new polls and maybe you can wrap your head around how they were correct and were never proven incorrect.

What intricacies are you referring to? This thread is about introducing a 'health care package' reform that is actually disguised as nothing more than a tax hike, in three areas of the workplace.

Please explain how this plan would work well in the current state of the union?



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 03:16 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Look, i understand what you are describing and it is akin to a commune or a small town somewhere. A great idea but it has never worked well on a large scale.

Not a bad thing but it should be a choice not a National Government. Does that make sense?



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 03:16 PM
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originally posted by: OpenMindedRealist
a reply to: BuzzyWigs
Sub-optimal healthcare, a worthless college degree, and free* insurance, all for just 200% of my current taxation?!?

What a deal!


Sub optimal health care? Since when was the US ranked so highly in health care? Looks like you bought the myth. Sorry to say but the best health care rankings are socialized medicine by far.

It's also a myth we have a free market and that the wealthy don't have the power to change elections. The world is changing and you can either pretend it's not or be an open minded realist.

What jobs do you see left in 25-50 years? At what point will we plan on the inevitable? Elwe can either do it consciously or let the elite just decide on their own what society will be structured as.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Look, i understand what you are describing and it is akin to a commune or a small town somewhere. A great idea but it has never worked well on a large scale.

Not a bad thing but it should be a choice not a National Government. Does that make sense?


Not really. Our health care isn't really so great is it? We are also supposed to be a republic. The states are like mini countries. It should be up to the state how to manage their healthcare with a federal oversight.




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