Should society consider mandatory sterilization?

a reply to: reldra

I believe there is some merit to the theory of eugenics. In practice, however, it is useless.

Let's start with welfare.
You have two kids born on welfare and both parents get sterilized.
If you are smart enough to feed them,you are smart enough to breed.

1% of the population own more than half the world
Greed will protect them and the altruistic will be the ones culled
Empathy is a disgusting human trait that doesn't belong in those who survive on greed
The greedy, that who you want to be in charge

Sounds like nazism, socialism, Marxism and selfishness.
Cull me first, I wouldn't want to live with those people

Insanity is hoarding millions watching others die

a reply to: andy06shake

If you actually understood how genetic modification worked you wouldn't be saying that. It might be the pesticides GM allows corporations to use, it might be a flaw with the methodology, it might be that the strain of plant chosen to be GM'd in the first place just happened to be one with a defect we do not know of, but it is not an issue with genetic modification itself.

a reply to: Bluntone22

I do agree in theory that people on welfare probably shouldn't have children. What if it's accidental pregnancy?
Oh, wait, abortion is murder mm'kay?

Besides, the problem is with the system, not the people who use it. Welfare shouldn't even be necessary in modern society.

a reply to: DeathSlayer
Should society consider killing off all those who believe in overpopulation and population control? Now do you see the problem with it? It goes both ways. I'm not saying I even totally disagree with atleast the reasons for this question even if I have a problem with the method of doing it. I'm simply saying you can't have 1 individual or a group of individuals deciding things like this and who should be allowed to procreate and who shouldn't.

I've said for years I think people should have to pass a financial test similar to a mortgage application before they can have kids. I know that's probably not the "right" thing to say but I think they should. Just like I think people should have to pass a basic political test to show they know something about current events and who is running before they are allowed to vote. But that won't fly either. Things like this just don't work in society, even if they might produce better situations.

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn


So the problem is the system that was set up by the higher iq people and we are discussing sterilizing the lower iq people? That sounds backwards.

originally posted by: DeathSlayer

What do you think should the world start a sterilization program?

In a word NO. You reduce population by improving peoples lives. Wherever people's standard of living is raised the birthrate flattens. In fact in some European countries have a falling birthrate.

Eliminate poverty, improve peoples standard of living and the birthrate will at worst flatten and even fall back to a more sustainable level. The current economic model employed by western countries and increasingly adopted by the emerging economies is flawed and will not solve this problem. Hence the massive wealth distortions we are now seeing.

War is coming unless we change.....

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

"If you actually understood how genetic modification worked you wouldn't be saying that."

If i actually understood how to genetically modify anything i would be a genetic engineer. What i do understand is that tampering with natures food basket could have direct repercussions beyond our ability to predict or foresee.

Im not against genetic modification per say, its just another tool in our box, and humanity does not invent tools it does not use.

Its the implications i have a problem with considering once we open Pandora's Box it may be rather hard to replace the lid.

a reply to: Bluntone22

I'm not. At least, I'm not one of those in favor of it.

Sort of. I believe it is a necessary system, but I believe it is a system that has no right to exist.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Me and my dad have neurological conditions and I want to get sterilized. I think if it was free alot of people would but the government doesn't want it. Adam carolla once said there should be a license test to be a parent, I agree. You know who has the most children? Poor people! The average family size in Africa is 5 children. But that's because most of those poor African countries are Islamic. On the other hand maybe drug resistant tuberculosis will take care of things. It mutated from mdr tb to xdr tb in 2 years so maybe it was grown in a lab. The weaponized anthrax the government has is bred to be drug resistant I read. You're not hitler.

a reply to: andy06shake

The process itself is actually incredibly simple. The issue is identifying the relevant strands of DNA you wish to use.

What I am simply trying to say is genetic modification itself will have no direct repercussions. Issues that arise will likely be as a result of, for instance, mono cultures.

originally posted by: kumiho
a reply to: intrptr

I think there has been a mis -translation of the word Aryan somewhere along the propaganda material, Hitler quotation of the word Aryan has been taken out of context, but by all means if "Supremacy white" feels appropriate, go ahead..

I use the term they used, loosely. Really disingenuous, they thought they were better than everybody, a narcissistic trait.

They had to justify their 'belief' in their own superiority somehow, thus the dog and pony show of Eugenics.

Its most misleading tenant designed to confuse people, like measuring skulls with calipers, that kind of thing. We laugh now, but back then it was presented as too complex a science for the average person to understand.

Just like the new science of genetics would be used to do the same thing all over again. The doctors and scientists will tell you if your "genes" measure up.

It's pretty repulsive that we've gotten to the point where it has to be explained to people why mandatory sterilizations are wrong. Eugenics was a horrible thing. Selective breeding laws are horrible. And "population control" is a pseudo-intellectual way of saying "making sure all of the people I don't accept die off". After all, nobody who makes those "population control" lists ever puts themselves or their loved ones on it.

I'm firmly convinced now that the reason people immediately dismiss a conversation when the Nazis are mentioned isn't because "lol Nazi fallacy". It's because they genuinely don't want people to know their ideas are similar to the "Hunger Plan", "Living Space", the Porajmos, or any of the Nazi's other policies. I bet some of these same people would applaud Mengele & Wouter Basson, too.

It only stands to reason that after being conditioned and desensitized to assume that we somehow have some kind of right to take the purpose of the existence of other creatures which we consider lesser than ourselves away, that we would begin to assume the same of people we consider lesser than other people or ourselves.

There is no way to justify the murder or the taking away of the purpose of life of any species or people or race.

Mass sterilization is simply preemptive mass murder.

I wish I could say I am surprised this this subject ever came up here, in a place where people are assumed to have the ability to think and reason soundly.

But I am not all that surprised....

There is no population problem on this planet other than there are too many ignorant individuals who are members of our species.

We have been here before.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

the first line just sounds like Nazi ~Statement. just a certain type of person to fit in or get out. Nice!!

no i dont think this a good idea, i think we should just evolve naturally and let nature takes its course-

Think human need to stop playing God, dont you?

if your theory would mean Stephen Hawkins would not exist because of his physical condition. But his mind is greater than all of ATS member put together.

if the planet has too many humans then make yourself go to heaven

plus "licensed hunter in Europe" you kill for fun, goes to show the type of person you are already.

i get your points but no i think its a stupid idea!

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

Monoculture as i understand it being the repeated production or growth of a single crop, plant, or species in the same place?

Well they do say that variety is the spice of life, makes sense to somewhat change up the process as farmers have know since just about the inception of our agricultural systems.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

i also want to add that if the governments decided to give people honest and decent education not matter your class or whether your rich or poor we would not need to to think about this stuff.

its something that can be resolved with love. care and time. But thats not within the government's interest

Dumb down the population so the poor cant rise to the top!

a reply to: intrptr

The last Aryans were burned, hanged, tortured from the 12-15th century, those who left are remnants of the old and not Aryans.. Its a definition of Pure, not race.. Which Hitler and Himmler took to a whole new level

I going to go with the unpopular opinion and say we should look into such methods..... Maybe not to the extremes of you but yes.

Overpopulation is a massive upcoming problem.

I would look at only allowing one to reproduce if you can support the child without government support.

And yes I would look at sterilisation of those with genetic issues.

Better we deny some people children or large family’s so we can all share in a good standard of living than let people freely breed like rabbits and risk us all living in squalor and poverty.

I would personally go with a method of sterilizing EVRYONE rich and poor at puberty, but in a reversible method. That way if you reach a standard where you can support a family without government assistance and you have a clean medical background then you can have it reversed.

I dont like it and far from comfortble with the idea......but not sure what else can be done?