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Donald Trump Is Really Unpopular With General Election Voters

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posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 07:31 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
Admitting you support Trump, right now, is like admitting you were a "9/11 Truther" circa 2003.

A lot of Trump supporters have even themselves given into GUILT, so they feel like they'll be ostracized if they fess up that they would pick him IF he was the final nominee.



BS


I haven't encountered any in real life or especially on ATS they aren't afraid to trumpet the Trump cause and echo back his talking points with the same bravado, bragging, conceited, know it all arrogance that the Donald displays.
His base is strong but he isn't winning enough converts to even get the nomination. He has only himself to blame. Or as I think...he doesn't really want to win...he almost comes across as an agent provocateur with another agenda entirely.


I can't entirely disagree with you.

But I do know even hardcore Democrats, friends, family, who are actually going to vote Trump. I can't explain it. Some of them very Liberal Teachers union types.

I think there is a good percentage of people that in real life (Not on ATS) will vote for him and don't say so in polls or in public.

It's just a hunch.




posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 07:54 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: olaru12

That would be odd. A complete change of tactics to the exact opposite of what he's been shoveling for the last year. Lol.


Not a change of tactics for Trump. He has changed positions regularly his entire adult life. And five party changes in fifteen years??? He's gone from rabid progressive to rabid conservative...

Trump is a big, fat fake. The most sensible conclusion is that he is an operative, IMO.



posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 08:10 PM
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Nice job on the research, Krazysh0t. I hope the pollster data analysis you cited holds up down the stretch. Surely it will. I know we’ve gone nuts over here in the States, but hopefully we’re not quite ready to get fitted for a straight jacket yet. We’ll know soon enough just how delusional and irrational we’ve become.

I’m not sure yet who will get my vote, but I do know it won’t be Trump (or Cruz or Huckabee or Rubio or...). He may be a genius real estate mogul and reality show entertainer, but Presidential material he’s not. He’s made a mockery of our political process and has become a global embarrassment for our nation. He’s not very well liked around the world. For cryin’ out loud, the British Parliament even had a debate today over whether or not Trump should be allowed to enter their country. LOL!

I don’t think Trump has the temperament to be President. He’s too hot-headed and quick on the draw. In those extreme, consequential situations where it’s crucial that cooler heads prevail, I just don’t see Donald Trump in charge. Actually, I agree with those who think Trump has no intention of becoming President. He knows quite well it’s not in the cards. His whole campaign has been nothing more than a narcisistic theatrical production starring the wonderful and exciting Mr. Donald Trump. Besides Trump bathing in the glory of all the praise being showered on him by his loving and devoted followers, it makes good business sense. This campaign will open the door to many future business opportunities, and he’ll reap the rewards all the way to the bank. Don’t ever get the wrong idea - he’s not in it to fight for the little guy.

Gotta go. Just my 2 cents...



posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 08:29 PM
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I am a Trump supporter, however if Trump loses to Bernie I will be happy.

I hope Hillary will lose, she is only running for Presidency to do the bidding for the elite and nothing else matters to her.

If Hillary wins, you will defiantly get four more years of Obama.



posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 10:28 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

No, there is proof of this. When polls where done online there was a larger percentage who supported Trump than those when called for the poll.

This is known as The Bradley Effect. Polls will give you an idea of what is there, and when we are for a candidate we will always look for those polls that are good for us and try to not read those that are against us. This is why if you post a GOP post the responses are " Breibart sucks" and if it is a DNC poll it is "HuffPo sucks".

The election will be decided by the independent voter. The new voter. If it comes down to HIll vs GOP it is a GOP landslide. If it is GOP against Sanders you have to realize a lot of people do not want socialism so you will see people crossing lines like never before.

Last....and I have said it before and I do not care but....is the US ready for a Jewish president? This is where the old school racist card will come into play. There are still a lot of white bread old white folk who do vote that could sway. There are a lot of issues that will come into play but I will say this. As far as the GOP, 08 and 12 were a wash. The candidates sucked and there was no way there would be a GOP win. Historically it is time for a swing.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 06:40 AM
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a reply to: netbound

Trump is neither a Republican, a Democrat, a liberal, or a conservative. He's just a narcissist, and the sooner people get that through their heads the quicker we can get back to discussing real Presidential candidates.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 06:46 AM
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The other issue that I know doesn't play well with American voters, but which is important none the less, is how he's perceived outside the US.

And he's seen as a bad joke, a racist ill-tempered crazy man. Should he win the Presidency, this is not a man who will find it easy to do business with the rest of the world. He can't just get his way in international negotiations the same way he gets his way in the boardroom, by throwing a temper tantrum.

When you have America's closest ally debating in their Parliament whether or not Trump should be banned from entering the United Kingdom, the ~closest~ ally... Then that's a very serious problem for America doing business abroad.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 07:17 AM
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a reply to: Painterz

Yeah but his fanbase sees that as a strength. A lot of them are part of a "hyper masculine" mindset that thinks kindness is weakness, being dominant is desired, & compromising is for the weak. They act like offending people and threatening people is a good thing that shows "strength". So a lot of them are thrilled that he worries and/or scares so many people. Some of his supporters right here on ATS have even stated that last part.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 08:45 AM
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If you had told me ten, five, even a year ago I'd consider voting for Donald J. Trump for POTUS in 2016. I would have accused you of smoking crack, or had a flash of insight and said "only against someone like Hillary".

I think the major flaw to using favorabillity ratings like the OP is trying to do, is it discounts the fact that Independents like me and a large part of the GOP are used to voting for people they don't like in the general.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 10:02 AM
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If you were to include Democrats and Republicans Trump has 17% support. Or to put it another way, over 80% of the general electorate are NOT Trump supporters.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 12:07 PM
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Yeah, that's been my contention all along. While Trump fits in with the circus the GOP debates have become, with everyone (except lost Ben Carson) trying to be larger than life in all the wrong ways, he simply can't use that strategy if he was to be the GOP candidate.

Democrats will vote for the Democrat candidate. They may bicker, but there's no divided vote there. GOP voters will vote GOP or possibly Trump as an Indy, but not as many as are vocal about it right now.

This leaves the sawing vote. The middle ground. They are not voting Trump. Would they vote for the GOP candidate if it isn't Trump? Remains to be seen, but if the right one is chosen, and he campaigns with the swing vote in mind rather than extreme right wing rhetoric, maybe so. But if that candidate discounts their importance or belittles them at every turn like the entire Romney campaign did, well you know how that turned out.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 12:28 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant


Aye, fair point. What other nations see as tantrums, many Trump supporters see as 'being strong'. And all of this gorilla posturing.

I suppose he might find common ground with Putin? Trump and Putin could go strip off and hunt bears together or something equally manly.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: blargo
Great analysis. I hope you have flame proof clothing, because I do not think the Trumpsters let data get in the way of their beliefs. I am grabbing the popcorn on this one.


Think about it. Trump is meeting politicians with ease on a daily basis now. He has access to all kinds of people in high places now that he wouldn't have had before. He's networking and making connections that are worth FAR MORE than the oval office.

When he goes back to business, he'll know who to call, who to donate to ...

This entire thing is a great way for him to make inroads into the major power structures.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 01:12 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

I've thought about that as well, but do with his wealth do you really think he was shut out from them before?

I've also thought about the idea he may be trying to build a political machine for one of his children that has long term plans in politics. None of them have the public profile he does and the only one willing to do more than dip their toes in it is Ivanka.
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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 03:11 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I hate to break it to you but Trump already won the whole enchilada. The only reason they are doing a 'race' is for revenue for advertisers, event holders, and other businesses. They have to keep up the illusion of choice. Lastly, Hillary is only running to stay out of prison but that run may be ending very soon.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 03:11 PM
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a reply to: BIGPoJo

Um... Ok... This is a joke right?



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 03:16 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: BIGPoJo

Um... Ok... This is a joke right?


No, I will check on this thread once Trump is sworn in to see if people are still having trouble gripping facts.



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 03:05 PM
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originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

I don't know if that will happen. Trump has a long time to think it over. But then again, Bernie offers obsolutely NOTHING new but refined Neo Marxism...culturally and economically. He's old hat and regurgitating Leftist points that went extinct with the Euro-Socialist movement.

Bernie's policies are literally like reading Trotsky or Engels works for 2016. Nothing novel or nuanced at ALL. Not even his 'Banker' policy.


Word soup.

Eurosocialism? What's that? There are still European socialist parties - Podemos in Spain, for example - and a socialist bloc in the European Parliament. But Eurosocialism?

Maybe you meant Eurocommunism. Which was communism-lite. Which didn't die out. It compromised and compromised until it became the likes of Tony Blair. Apart from the ones who started libertarian think tanks.

Neo-Marxism? What's that? There's Marxism and all the variations that followed but Neo-Marxism? Is that historical determinism updated? Dialectic materialism in tweet form?

Cultural Marxism? What's that? Does it exist outside of online right wing echo chambers?

"Literally like reading Trotsky or Engels"? Easily confused, I suppose. It's hard to tell Engels writings on the Spanish Civil War from Trotsky's study of factory workers in nineteenth century England. Or something. A bit like trying to tell Tolkien and J K Rowling apart. Or Jules Verne and Dan Brown.





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posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 07:51 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: Krazysh0t


Trump is aware of his standings with the general electorate. That's why I maintain that he has another agenda and being POTUS isn't it.

Bizarre circus is American politics. It's hard to take it seriously.

Watching the Donald at Liberty U now. He even looks like a clown with those white eyes and fake tan.



I had a theory about this myself. I think the there are those in the GOP who know they would receive a lot of criticism this election cycle, and most of the ruling classes favored candidates would not survive politically that level of scrutiny for the many months before the election. Maybe Trump is there to stay in the limelight and deflect the majority of scrutiny away from people like Jeb Bush or Rubio who are currently viewed as longshots. Then low and behold in a few months he drops out for whatever reason. Then its just a few months before the general election, far too short a time for a proper media skewering, giving whoever they REALLY plan to run against Hillary, lets say Jeb Bush, a better chance of beating her. just a theory anyway.
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posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 07:58 PM
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Donald Trump has been massively overinflating the number of people that have been attending his rallies.

Yes, the crowds look large.

However, when you give out 20,000 tickets to a venue that holds 1,400, then claim that 20,000 people attended, you're probably deluding yourself about the number of people who will actually vote for you.

Reports show that as more and more candidates drop out, proper Republican support moves to people like Marco Rubio, while support for Trump and Cruz remains constant.

Republican voters who actually vote the issues rather than the rhetoric are horrified as the rest of us about the prospect of Trump becoming their candidate.

Unfortunately, many people vote Republican or Democrat no matter WHO the candidate is, because they've voted that way their entire lives.

The scary version is that many people will vote for Trump if he becomes the candidate simply because they always vote Republican, without knowing where the modern day Republican Party stands on most of the issues.



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