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Donald Trump Is Really Unpopular With General Election Voters

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posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: TinfoilTP
These numbers come from,


Source: Huffington Post Pollster


These same numbers show Trump the least liked by Republicans, yet he is winning in the real world.

Those numbers and charts are the real wishful thinking that you have latched onto, with no association with reality.


You remind me of the Unskewed Polls folks in the last election. The Huff Post Pollster aggregates all the existing polls. This method works real well, like RCP or fivethirtyeight, especially as we get closer to the election. All of these methods produced results in the last presidential election that were really close to the actual electoral college results.

The numbers from the OP are favorability and not actual polls and include the general public, not just GOP primary voters. Does this translate to general election votes? Time will tell. BTW GOP primary voter polls do show Trump in the lead nationally with those same negative approval numbers. I see that he is still no where near 50% in any GOP primary poll, that could change after the first few primaries and caucuses. We shall see....




posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 03:48 PM
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originally posted by: operayt
a reply to: intrepid

what is a Centrist ?



I could be wrong but i'm thinking you aren't even old enough to vote. Welcome to ats...stick around long enough and you will be jaded and cynical as the rest of us when you get to voting age. sadly.....



posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 03:49 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Oh boy. someone must have hit the right cord on that one.



posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: operayt

What do you mean by this? Are you being sarcastic?



posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: olaru12


I have been around voting before you were even in diapers son.



posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t
reply to the OP

Trump's popularity seems to have a certain limitation....

The One Weird Trait That Predicts Whether You’re a Trump Supporter


I found that education, income, gender, age, ideology and religiosity had no significant bearing on a Republican voter’s preferred candidate. Only two of the variables I looked at were statistically significant: authoritarianism, followed by fear of terrorism, though the former was far more significant than the latter.
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Political pollsters have missed this key component of Trump’s support because they simply don’t include questions about authoritarianism in their polls. In addition to the typical battery of demographic, horse race, thermometer-scale and policy questions, my poll asked a set of four simple survey questions that political scientists have employed since 1992 to measure inclination toward authoritarianism. These questions pertain to child-rearing: whether it is more important for the voter to have a child who is respectful or independent; obedient or self-reliant; well-behaved or considerate; and well-mannered or curious. Respondents who pick the first option in each of these questions are strongly authoritarian.

Based on these questions, Trump was the only candidate—Republican or Democrat—whose support among authoritarians was statistically significant.

edit on 18-1-2016 by desert because: punct



posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 03:55 PM
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a reply to: desert

Something tells me you were NOT good at horse racing either, so stay out of politics.



posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 03:59 PM
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originally posted by: operayt
a reply to: olaru12


I have been around voting before you were even in diapers son.



Sorry, if that's the case then I'll just chalk it up to dementia, old timer. Welcome to ATS anyway...



posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 04:20 PM
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originally posted by: operayt
a reply to: olaru12


I have been around voting before you were even in diapers son.


I can't speak for olaru but in my case that would put you well into your 70's. I don't think that anyone of that age would be make such assumptions.

ETA: Secondly I find it hard to believe a septuagenarian doesn't know what a Centrist is.
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posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 04:34 PM
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a reply to: intrepid

Nobody's perfect kid. We all learn new things on a day to day basis. I INCLUDED.



posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 04:37 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

I thank you for the good laugh anyway.




posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 05:29 PM
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originally posted by: operayt
a reply to: intrepid

Nobody's perfect kid. We all learn new things on a day to day basis. I INCLUDED.



You just called intrepid a 'kid'. That's actually funny... I'll give you that, but now you're talking to the oldest staffer on ATS.

You're right about nobody being perfect, though. Glad you included yourself.


I'm in my 70th year and I'm often torn which way to vote. That's the tough part about being a 'Centrist', looking, evaluating and finally deciding on who, in the wide field of politics, to give your vote to. Last thing I'll ever do is vote one way all the time.



posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 05:33 PM
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originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
I have a sneaking suspicion that last round late voters who are embarrassed to actually admit they AGREE with Trump, will pull the lever for him if he were the nominee.

What other option on the ballot would they have? Hillary? Bernie?

I think the "Silent Majority" is very silent indeed. People have been made to feel criticized and guilty for even mentioning they agree with Trump, which causes people to go underground and vote in silence..which throws off "polls" no matter how you slice it.

The more you PUSH people underground, the more you cannot predict what is going to happen. Trump is an enigma because he has tons of supporters and voters which are like Sleeper Cells, waiting for the right time to strike, which in this case is a vote on an Anonymous BALLOT


I've asked several who they like and I usually get thr same answer they don't know. But if I ask who you would vote for given a choice between Hillary and Donald they always choose Donald. Havnt figured out if this is because of hatred towards Hillary. If I ask who between Bernie and Donald they say Bernie. This leads ne to believe for Trump to win he needs to face Hillary. So the key of who becomes president is in who the democrats put forward.



posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 05:40 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Keep on believing this. The numbers say that you are wrong. If there is a "silent" anything, they don't number enough to overcome the left and independent's severe dislike of him. So you are only setting yourself up for failure by rationalizing away hard evidence like this.

Totally agree.

There is no silent majority, TrumpHumpers are just like him, loudmouthed and full of #, they sure the # aren't silent.

Trump would be a massive failure as president and would probably be impeached within 2 years.



posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 05:43 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
I have a sneaking suspicion that last round late voters who are embarrassed to actually admit they AGREE with Trump, will pull the lever for him if he were the nominee.

What other option on the ballot would they have? Hillary? Bernie?

I think the "Silent Majority" is very silent indeed. People have been made to feel criticized and guilty for even mentioning they agree with Trump, which causes people to go underground and vote in silence..which throws off "polls" no matter how you slice it.

The more you PUSH people underground, the more you cannot predict what is going to happen. Trump is an enigma because he has tons of supporters and voters which are like Sleeper Cells, waiting for the right time to strike, which in this case is a vote on an Anonymous BALLOT


I've asked several who they like and I usually get thr same answer they don't know. But if I ask who you would vote for given a choice between Hillary and Donald they always choose Donald. Havnt figured out if this is because of hatred towards Hillary. If I ask who between Bernie and Donald they say Bernie. This leads ne to believe for Trump to win he needs to face Hillary. So the key of who becomes president is in who the democrats put forward.


If Trump can shut his mouth and just stick to the subject, he could WALk into the White House. But he won't, because he doesn't shut up.

He can beat Hillary hands down.

Bernie is another matter, but in a heads up debate, Bernie has a lot on policy which could be STOMPED all over. He's an old dog with old tricks.

But Trump doesn't know how to debate on policy, so he would have to get REALLY clued in if he was going to debate Bernie.

I don't know if that will happen. Trump has a long time to think it over. But then again, Bernie offers obsolutely NOTHING new but refined Neo Marxism...culturally and economically. He's old hat and regurgitating Leftist points that went extinct with the Euro-Socialist movement.

Bernie's policies are literally like reading Trotsky or Engels works for 2016. Nothing novel or nuanced at ALL. Not even his 'Banker' policy. And he would go nowhere with a majority Republican congress. He would be the most ineffective President in the last Century besides Carter.

Trump will at least work with Dems on Social issues and the Middle Class. And he'll be staunch about it and honest.

Bernie will NOT work with Repubs. He will be another Executive Order President and our country will suffer stagnation
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posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 05:46 PM
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originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
Bernie is another matter, but in a heads up debate, Bernie has a lot on policy which could be STOMPED all over.


In the general electorate?



posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 05:49 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
Bernie is another matter, but in a heads up debate, Bernie has a lot on policy which could be STOMPED all over.


In the general electorate?


No, in a 1 vs. 1 debate. Bernie's policies are full of holes it's a turkey shoot.



posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 05:55 PM
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Admitting you support Trump, right now, is like admitting you were a "9/11 Truther" circa 2003.

A lot of Trump supporters have even themselves given into GUILT, so they feel like they'll be ostracized if they fess up that they would pick him IF he was the final nominee.

Trump is the ugly chick you don't admit to your friends you would totally have sex with.

So these polls are suspicious



posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 06:38 PM
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originally posted by: Gully

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Keep on believing this. The numbers say that you are wrong. If there is a "silent" anything, they don't number enough to overcome the left and independent's severe dislike of him. So you are only setting yourself up for failure by rationalizing away hard evidence like this.

Totally agree.

There is no silent majority, TrumpHumpers are just like him, loudmouthed and full of #, they sure the # aren't silent.

Trump would be a massive failure as president and would probably be impeached within 2 years.


on what planet are you living on! impeached lol politicians are now untouchable even when they get caught dead to rights doing something illegal. Hilary email scandal should prove that point!

lol everybody said the same thing with Obama mitt Romney and Ron Paul. If Ron paul would have won obama would have got blasted. LOL but he didn't because he didn't get the nom so i can expect Hilary vs Trump or someone else. Hilary has too many super delegates to change the democrats minds on who is a better choice to win. Its in the bag with Hilary as the democrat nominee and bernie doesn't stand a chance because they know for sure democrats will not switch to trump if old bern isn't the nominee. If the Reps force out Trump they will have to compete with him taking numbers away so I actually see them working with him because they need a win badly and don't want to lose face in front of the population and lose the battle to the democrats by infighting. Which will force the battle with Hilary and trump which is a losing battle for trump unless Hilary gets attacked on all fronts by republicans. If Reps can prove she was intentional hiding emails and was doing so to circumvent any prying eyes they could win,but they will have to link her use to something important like Benghazi, the IRS scandal or something we haven't heard yet making her drop out of the race! Trust me they will not play that card until the last moment. I see trump making a deal to be VP or bring someone on as VP the reps trust. Maybe "jeb"



posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 07:14 PM
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originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
Admitting you support Trump, right now, is like admitting you were a "9/11 Truther" circa 2003.

A lot of Trump supporters have even themselves given into GUILT, so they feel like they'll be ostracized if they fess up that they would pick him IF he was the final nominee.



BS


I haven't encountered any in real life or especially on ATS they aren't afraid to trumpet the Trump cause and echo back his talking points with the same bravado, bragging, conceited, know it all arrogance that the Donald displays.
His base is strong but he isn't winning enough converts to even get the nomination. He has only himself to blame. Or as I think...he doesn't really want to win...he almost comes across as an agent provocateur with another agenda entirely.
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