Sanders Rocks The Democratic Debate By Dropping A Medicare For All Bomb In SC

a reply to: AlaskanDad

My grandfather died earlier than he needed to thanks to medicare/medicaid. I'd like to pass.

On top of that, he (Sanders) does not discuss how he will pay for it. The money spent on healthcare is from the pocket of citizens, not the federal government. He would have to increase taxes by a MINIMUM of 3-5% across the board to pay for Medicare/Medicaid for all which basically takes the money you were paying to private insurance and giving it to the federal government. His vague talk of increasing taxes on the "wealthy" doesn't take into account that the majority of those are actually small businesses filing as a person. Most people also don't realize that a payroll tax comes out of YOUR paycheck, not the companies.

The federal government does not care about making a dollar stretch. They will waste your money just like they have done for the existing Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid programs, all of which are broke and dying.

Even Obama has stated as much several times. Experts agree that expanding the program will only delay the inevitable.

So this announcement by Bernie just shows how out of touch he is with how running a business, which is what the government is, works as well as a complete loon when it comes to knowing what an economy is.

After dealing with the Government on this Obamacare BS, I'd take a pass on dealing with their customer service again thank you.

originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: pyramid head


Sanders seems to be a thinker and he has shown that he plans ahead.

That said do any of you doubt, that there was a correlation in both medicare for all and free universities.
There will be a need for more medical workers and professionals with everyone having healthcare.

We need lots of engineers and techs or will always be paying to import manufactured goods and technology.

And increased workers fixing our countries infrastructure, more middle class jobs.

All of these things would add jobs hence more taxpayers paying into the system.

Bernie has been talking about removing revolving door politics in both defence and banking; what about healthcare and pharmaceuticals??? I have no doubts Sanders has planned for this.

Of course we should really think of getting the gmo carcinogens out of our food supply, and the toxins out of the water, to keep healthcare costs down.

A sugar tax might be a great idea, a little less sugar might be good for the US and curb the diabetes epidemic.

Funny with a little thought this could be quite successful, but with corporate politicians working to wring as much profits as is possible for their overlords, not a chance.



Who know if congress is not being dysfunctional, we could see the most positive change the US of A has ever made.

Sanders couldn't run a lemonade stand. You haven't visited a VA, that's why your advocating this nonsense. Only in progressive authoritarian world could a government who kills its own vets for bonuses with a limited healthcare system, run a successful one for 350 million.

Good luck with that, your delusional. I'll never understand why leftist will cheer for everyone to be poor, while their heroes in the aristocracy are exempt.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
How much do you Yanks spend on average for Insurance annually???

If it's more than $1500 dollars you're being robbed.


If it's anything less then you're no better or worse off than a universal healthcare system.


For a £26k annual salary in the UK just over a £1k in tax goes towards healthcare, with no added costs for anything.

You can google dollars to pounds to work out the difference there.

Plus the £100-ish a month extra I now pay for additional private health insurance, because a free NHS GP is no use if you can never get a bloody appointment

originally posted by: daaskapital
What's up with Americans and a hatred of anything even remotely socialist or fair? Lol.

People, it's time to take proper steps and start catching up with the rest of the world. Seriously. The USA isn't looked at as the beacon it once was. Other countries like Canada or Australia are doing much better with our 'socialist' policies!

Two words: Koch brothers. At it takes is a few years and a few hundred million and you can convince alot of people to hate and fear concepts that threaten the 1%. That plus an army of well funded key board warriors to create the illusion of social consensus around your propaganda.

There isn't a person here who wouldn't benefit directly from what Sanders proposed. Between no deductibles and premiums and expanded coverage an average family will save thousands. But because some (probably linked to the healthcare/insurance industry) label it socialism then the mind control kicks in.

a reply to: Informer1958

What Bernie tells you he's going to do and what he actually will do are two entirely different things.

I'll echo what's written on the first page... haven't you learned anything under 7+ years of Obama's Hope and Change.

Bernie Sanders is an Obama clone who has backed him every step of the way get real.

Every time I come to this site there's a Bernie Sanders thread on the front page. When did ATS make the conversion?

a reply to: whatmakesyouright

Some social healthcare systems allow for sex changes and plastic surgery such as Thailand... if our healthcare was socialized we would not regress into substandard care but elevate it within reach of all people thats what a social program is designed to do after all equalize the whole system within reach of everyone in society. Not take a giant leap back in the name of penny pinching because there be barbarians that can't set down 1000 year old grudges in the name of a functioning altruistic society.

originally posted by:
What it's like when you're an American using Britain's NHS
uk.businessinsider.com...

A look through the eyes of an American using socialist Heath care

The National Health Service is, as all Americans know and fear, a completely public "socialized medicine" system. It's dramatically different from the US's patchwork system of private providers and insurance companies.

The dems are hell bent on destroying our healthcare system. Just repeal Obamacare and leave it alone. I would rather have our old capitalist healthcare system back where we could choose to buy insurance if we wanted it, or not if we didn't want it.

They might as well just give us all free hospice care because the way things are going with all these reforms we're all going to need it.

originally posted by: woodwardjnr

originally posted by:
What it's like when you're an American using Britain's NHS
uk.businessinsider.com...

A look through the eyes of an American using socialist Heath care

The National Health Service is, as all Americans know and fear, a completely public "socialized medicine" system. It's dramatically different from the US's patchwork system of private providers and insurance companies.

I clicked on the link not sure what the reaction from an American using the NHS would be - very interesting.

originally posted by: EvillerBob

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
How much do you Yanks spend on average for Insurance annually???

If it's more than $1500 dollars you're being robbed.


If it's anything less then you're no better or worse off than a universal healthcare system.


For a £26k annual salary in the UK just over a £1k in tax goes towards healthcare, with no added costs for anything.

You can google dollars to pounds to work out the difference there.

Plus the £100-ish a month extra I now pay for additional private health insurance, because a free NHS GP is no use if you can never get a bloody appointment

At the risk of being pedantic private health care isn't going to get you a GP appointment anyway, If your paying about a hundred a month I would assume that is a family policy with high level of cover / low excess, so not necessarily comparable to a standard US policy.

a reply to: uncommitted

I used it without problem for a few years, the Spanish system far exceeded NHS. I had no health issues and only needed minor doctors visits. My friend (also from US) broke his arm and got treatment and ended up having to pay some fee that came out to like a hundred bucks. The issue isn't the system. The issue is how slow they are when there is a serious issue and how broke they are going due to mismanagement.

When my uncle was suffering from Cancer he left Northern Ireland and came to Arizona as he was wait listed for treatment (I think they told him treatment couldn't start for 3-4 months). He hasn't left the US since.

He came here, paid a premium for healthcare and he ended up paying about 8k (About 5K Pounds back then) for his treatment when all was said and done. He plans to go back home as he doesn't qualify for Medicare/Medicaid and doesn't want to continue paying for private insurance.

a reply to: EvillerBob

You guys pay 20% base tax there. Here, a comparable tax rate is an effective rate of 9-11%. So the money they spend on healthcare here is money that would just go to taxes where you are.

About 40% of income earners here have a 0-3% effective tax rate which means they are paying 4k a year for insurance and no taxes. Most of them don't realize Bernie doesn't understand what an effective tax rate is and thinks they all pay their listed tax rates. He's a bafoon.

WHy the hell do u want government involved? Now you would have to pay an extra fee to the middleman aka politicians for running healthcare.

I rather have the consumers negotiate prices rather than having politicians who have their own self interest negotiate to inflate more prices and make some commission.

a reply to: amfirst1

It just seems strange that you defend the insurance companies, and their salesmen.

The folks running the insurance companies are there for one reason, profits.

What part of this do you not understand???

a reply to: raymundoko

If you pick apart Bernies plans and look at only one aspect at a time of course there will be a failure. His plan like the economy is full of interdependencies, from employment to education, medical, and cutting waste from several gov. institutions.

That's like saying based on the population of AK and WY the US of A does not have enough population to be a major player in world events.

At least Sanders is not beating the war drums on the campaign trail, like all the other candidates.

a reply to: AlaskanDad

I don't think you understand Bernie's "Plans", if that is what you want to call what he has released. He has not discussed one single cut to the budget. Sighting "government waste" is not a specific plan.

The reason I know you don't understand it is because Bernie's plan he has released calls for a 2.2% tax increase on ALL brackets, including the lowest earners. Source

Raises the rate of all other brackets by 2.2%.

When it comes to corporate taxes? He hasn't said a peep officially, but has said the USA corporate tax is too low. TOO LOW? Are you kidding me? He wants to increase the payroll tax on top of the 2.2% bracket increase, which is further income out of the earners paycheck. He shows he doesn't understand the estate tax and INCREASES it to 65%. Hey, we didn't want to leave our hard earned money to our kids anyway right?? All that money has already had taxes paid on it, and now our kids will have to pay 2/3 of it back to the government just for inheriting it.

So when I said above he would have to increase the tax rates, I was right, and he himself said he was going to. So YOU need to inform yourself about this candidate you are supporting. He is an idiot when it comes to business and the economy. He is an adorable muppet, but a horrible presidential candidate.

originally posted by: EvillerBob

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
How much do you Yanks spend on average for Insurance annually???

If it's more than $1500 dollars you're being robbed.


If it's anything less then you're no better or worse off than a universal healthcare system.


For a £26k annual salary in the UK just over a £1k in tax goes towards healthcare, with no added costs for anything.

You can google dollars to pounds to work out the difference there.

Plus the £100-ish a month extra I now pay for additional private health insurance, because a free NHS GP is no use if you can never get a bloody appointment

Come to US and pay $80,000 for seven days in hospital with insurance that you pay $500 a month for!

You'll love it!

a reply to: raymundoko

You seem to be leaving out he is going restore the infrastructure of the US of A with the tax increase.

2.2% could do a lot for us as a country!

I wonder how much we would end up paying for the wars the other candidates plan to start???

And whose kids will they send there, clue not the 1% kids!

a reply to: yesyesyes

Lies. There is a maximum out of pocket expense. For a 500 dollar plan that should be around 12.5k.