a reply to: enlightenedservant
I can not speak to allot of what you say as there are several topics to cover in that. I will concede that there is much truth to what you say, though
I think you make a generalization by thinking that these things are representative of western thought and not the actions of a run away elite. It
seems the radicals and those that back them both LEFT and right are not helping the situation and are not representative of all.
To counter that inherent nature in humans, that is the ability to corrupt and use noble intentions for evil ends, there should be a CLEAR and laid out
Are you suggesting that all Islamic sects & denominations should adopt the same "approved" interpretations? How would that work?
The Catholic church has had MANY REFORMATIONS, as have other faiths. How ever they did it or in fact HOW the various sects of the ME came under
Islam....if its a good idea and you are patient enough to see it through.
If you dont think its a good idea to clear up some of the less adequate tenets in a modern world and just RISK that wealthy foreigners can cause such
trouble with only money.....then fine.
If this is a growing discussion, then lets look to square some things away.
The point is we are all constantly reforming, or resisting change.
As far as not invading, no invasion starts without first a betrayal. There would be no foreigners in the ME if the ME was not already so conducive to
their presence. That is just true.
A UNITED ME must not be seen as a threat or it will NEVER be allowed to form. That is just true too.
It must unite to survive and not be such a tempting target for the whole world, not just the west. What do you think China is looking for in the ME,
they lose something there? Oil. The world lost its oil there.
The idea of a united ME only scares bankers and the elite as far as a shift of power. A united ISLAMIC world is scary as hell to be honest. History is
there man. Thats why the rest of us want to see some distance between the whole religion and the world that Muslims are sharing with us.
I want to see Muslims identify as people first and foremost who happen to be Muslims, not Muslims who happen to be American, or German, or what ever.
I dont think that is absurd.
I am tired of all this God crap. To be honest. Its such a waste of time if it makes you stand opposed to another. If its a force of unity then cool.
Then I can dig it all day.
EDIT TO ADD:
let me put it this way,
If it meant that the Catholic church had to take a huge risk that could destroy it by reforming and declaring that all sorts of things like gay
marriage and condoms were OK, I would want them to risk it. Because as humans we WILL ask ourselves if all this is even worth it and if things dont
pan out, they WILL NOT make into the future. That simple. The world is bigger than any one religion.
We cant afford all this discord as time runs out and the world gets smaller with less room for big ideas in contradiction. Either we all agree to
continue to meet halfway, BRAVELY and with the intent of building trust and understanding, or we risk losing much more out of fear. The fear of
In any event, have a good one sir.
Thank you for your thoughts and I hope I have not offended you or others as that was not my intention.
Hold it down.
edit on 1 17 2016 by tadaman because: (no reason given)