EU shock as 'out' vote sweeps 6% ahead!

originally posted by: grainofsand

*Edit*
You haven't got the vote though thankfully, and that pleases me.

Wanna bet?

Knowing the EU if we vote out the control freaks in the EU will demand a referendum on "allowing" the UK to leave.

They will pull something with us I garentee it.

a reply to: crazyewok
Bring it on I say, this ain't Greece bending over a barrel with a begging bowl in a #ed Eurozone economy.
If the EU double crossed an out vote it would be interesting times for sure.
Bring it on Europhiles.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: crazyewok
Bring it on I say, this ain't Greece bending over a barrel with a begging bowl in a #ed Eurozone economy.
If the EU double crossed an out vote it would be interesting times for sure.
Bring it on Europhiles.

Well I would riot.

If we vote out we are going out and there will be no ifs and buts from the Eurotards in Brussels!

a reply to: crazyewok
I would certainly embark on a course of 'direct action' shall we say.
The way the EU is becoming more broken by the day I think it more likely we will vote out as Brits say thank # we didn't give up our currency and border controls.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: crazyewok
Bring it on I say, this ain't Greece bending over a barrel with a begging bowl in a #ed Eurozone economy.
If the EU double crossed an out vote it would be interesting times for sure.
Bring it on Europhiles.

I think the EU is more afraid of UK leaving ....

I think there are a few countries (as for the moment we still have

countries) Greece, Portugal, Italy, maybe others who are waiting

and watching who have not got the gumption to instigate it, but will

do so if/when UK leads the way, and then the flood gates will open.

The EU is flawed and failing... it is a monster out of control!

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: ForteanOrg
I said plenty of business leaders, you focused on a manufacturing industry poll, don't act like the majority of business leaders agree with you.

They all know me, of course

But no, it aren't just the manufacturers. Is The Guardian a good enough source for you? Or perhaps this very real Ipsos business poll? FOUR in FIVE business leaders want to stay IN the EU.

Any real or imagined problems you have in the UK aren't the fault of the EU. They are to blame on the population and on your National Government. And even if you leave the EU, you will still have the same population and the very same Government. So, you problems will not go away.

What WILL go away is the 3000 pound each British family scoops out of the EU. What WILL go away is your ability to influence the EU rules and regulations. What WILL go away is your option to work in the EU. What WILL go away is the option to freely sell your goods in the largest economy in the world. Which it still will be, even if you leave.

I hope you don't leave.

originally posted by: eletheiaI think the EU is more afraid of UK leaving ....

Fear has nothing to do with it. If the UK left, they would actually do us a short term favour, as the UK costs us more than it earns us. But that's short term thinking - and the EU is all about the long term. In the long term, we all benefit.

I really don't know enough either way to make an intelligent contribution.would it effect our economy I guess is the main question? Apart from that I'm like most Brits and don't really care

a reply to: ForteanOrg
Oh dear, more opinion presented and asserted as fact.
Lame but easy for others to see it themselves.
I'm pleased to have the vote though and none of your opinion has swayed me so all good.

a reply to: ForteanOrg
Bull#, the UK is a net contributor. You really are are making it up now.

originally posted by: ForteanOrg

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: ForteanOrg
I said plenty of business leaders, you focused on a manufacturing industry poll, don't act like the majority of business leaders agree with you.

They all know me, of course

But no, it aren't just the manufacturers. Is The Guardian a good enough source for you? Or perhaps this very real Ipsos business poll? FOUR in FIVE business leaders want to stay IN the EU.

Any real or imagined problems you have in the UK aren't the fault of the EU. They are to blame on the population and on your National Government. And even if you leave the EU, you will still have the same population and the very same Government. So, you problems will not go away.

What WILL go away is the 3000 pound each British family scoops out of the EU. What WILL go away is your ability to influence the EU rules and regulations. What WILL go away is your option to work in the EU. What WILL go away is the option to freely sell your goods in the largest economy in the world. Which it still will be, even if you leave.

I hope you don't leave.

Stop it. Seriously.
I get that you want the UK to remain, but trotting out lies like each uk family is 3 grand a year better off because of the EU or that if we leave the EU will BREAK international law by imposing restrictive tariffs on our goods and services does your argument no good at all.

There will be no trade war because the EU runs a 60 billion surplus, families won't be 3k a year worse off because the UK will not have to spend 13 billion a year on membership.


I really don't see too much changing in business except that after a few years out, wages and conditions in low skilled jobs should start to rise as the supply and demand of Labour evens out.

originally posted by: ForteanOrg


Fear has nothing to do with it. If the UK left, they would actually do us a short term favour, as the UK costs us more than it earns us. But that's short term thinking - and the EU is all about the long term. In the long term, we all benefit.

Well that's your opinion and you're entitled to it .... But you

don't get to vote.

However I don't see it like that! and that's my opinion and I'm entitled

to it? and I do get a vote


The EU costs us money .... then benevolently gives us back subsidies of

a percentage of what they have taken from us.

We can do more and better keeping it and deciding for ourselves where

it gets spent. We don't need Brussels making our laws and borders for us.


The most outlandish of the EU's excesses is the £130 million spent on the

monthly travelling circus between Strasbourg and Brussels.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

originally posted by: ForteanOrg


What WILL go away is the 3000 pound each British family scoops out of the EU.

LOL!! If that were indeed true.... and put to the British public they

would ALL definitely vote OUT. Ask any working British family if they would

like an extra £3,000 a year income!! they'd bite your hand off.

What WILL go away is your ability to influence the EU rules and regulations.

Again LOL!!

What is it the ability of anyone other than the German or French to influence

anything?

What WILL go away is your option to work in the EU.

No big loss there when salaries have been driven down by the much increased

migrants, and the United States of Europe is not the only country. How about

USA India China Australia New Zealand to name but a few.

What WILL go away is the option to freely sell your goods in the largest economy in the world. Which it still will be, even if you leave.

I was in sales and if you had the right goods .... you had a market.

And if you lost an account you just had to find another to take its

place .... and Hey!! the United States of Europe is not the whole

world.

a reply to: eletheia
Lol, another reason why we know it's bull# is the obvious fact that if it were true then every pro-EU political party in the UK would be shouting it from the rooftops!
Pure invention and/or scaremongering lies from the honourable member.

Manuel Valls became the first senior EU politician to admit that

the EU could be killed off by the migrant crisis engulfing Europe.

Speaking at the world economic forum in Davos Switzerland

Manuel Valls the French Prime Minister admitted yesterday...

that the dream of closer intergration is falling apart.

Mr Valls said that the loss of confidence in the EU was the

immigrant attacks in Cologne Germany, replicated in other parts

of the country including Austria and Scandinavia.

That the failure to control borders meant that the project would

die.

"Daily Express"


May be done and dusted before we get the referendum

a reply to: eletheia
At the very least such talk will hopefully encourage more Brits to vote us out in the referendum.
EU train wreck or sovereign nation, it's a no-brainer as far as I see it.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: eletheia
At the very least such talk will hopefully encourage more Brits to vote us out in the referendum.
EU train wreck or sovereign nation, it's a no-brainer as far as I see it.

Well, if you don't want to use your brain, indeed, vote "out".

For the rest of you, you might be interested in this.

I quote: "the net benefit of EU membership to the UK could be in the region of 4-5% of GDP or £62bn-£78bn a year – roughly the economies of the North East and Northern Ireland taken together."

You can live your life on dreams, or get real. The UK has profited HUGELY from their EU membership and has grown from an empoverished and troubled nation in 1972 into a relatively well off member state.

I have provided proof, time after time. I quoted British sources, top level British newspapers, even a British research institution, but I guess you Brits don't trust your own sources. Or - do I dare to say it, yes I do - you might indeed BE a nobrainer, who stubbornly refuses to accept facts.

I am as you know a socialist. Socialists, especially Dutch socialists, are not really fond of the EU. We believe that the Government should be small, by the people, for the people and near the people. Hardly pro-EU. But I did some research and that has taught me that the anti-EU debate is not based upon facts - the facts mostly speak in favour of the EU; it has brought us the longest period of peace for a long time, has created jobs, prosperity and a lot of mutual understanding. It has it's flaws, but has shown remarkable resilience.

I can assure you that the EU is here to stay - and I hope it will include England still. Decide - but base on facts, not on fantasies.

Ugh.

a reply to: ForteanOrg
England is not an EU member, the UK is.
I assert that the financial transaction that the UK makes when it pays it's membership to the EU is billions of GBP£ greater than the grants received back. That is a fact.
All the rest of the alleged fringe benefits are debatable.
Unlucky, my vote not yours fella

originally posted by: grainofsand

England is not an EU member, the UK is.
I assert that the financial transaction that the UK makes when it pays it's membership to the EU is billions of GBP£ greater than the grants received back. That is a fact.
All the rest of the alleged fringe benefits are debatable.
Unlucky, my vote not yours fella

It is remarkable isn't it, how outsiders seem to think that they know better

than us residents/citizens on what is best for us in the UK.


The EU is like the old fashioned parent that took the wage of the working

child giving them back a pittance as *pocket money* LOL!!

OR

Like my neighbour thinking he knows better than me how to spend my hard

earned salary!!!

a reply to: ForteanOrg

The British are not thick. They appreciate and understand the benefits of the EU as an economic market and general force for good. I myself am a Europhile and (mostly) like what I see. The discontent is the profound lack of democratic process in the march towards a federal state, where the soverign nation is second place.

I think that the UK is bold in taking forward a referendum to check the public mood. Pity other European nations don't think that it's time to check their respective populations, becuase I think there is similar discontent and cynisism growing across Europe and the politicians and Eurocrats are keen to turn a blind eye.