Why believe in a religion created by Politicians?

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Gnosisisfaith,

Found the manuscript with the rape of Eve by the Demiurge and his sons the Archons.

The book is called 'The Hypostasis of the Archons' on page 161 and 'On The Origin of The World' on page 170 of The Nag Hammadi Library.

Both these manuscripts tell the same story with slight differences.

Their are two Eves in both these books.
1. The Divine Zoe, daughter of the lower Sophia, the one who truly gave breathed life to Adam. Also referred to as female spiritual principle.
Zoe is the one who appears as the snake in Eden to convince the Carnal Woman to eat from the tree of knowledge; and
2. The Carnal Woman. The wife of Adam and the Eve of the Christian Bible. As elaborated in 'The Hypostasis of the Archons' on page 161 of The Nag Hammadi Library.


excerpt from page 164 of 'The Hypostasis of the Archons':
'...
They took Adam [and] put him in the garden, that he might cultivate [it] and keep watch over it. And the rulers issued a command to him, saying,
“ From [every] tree 1 in the garden shall you (sg.) eat; yet - [from] the tree of recognizing good and evil do not eat, nor [touch] it; for the day you (pi.) eat [from] it, with death you (pi.) are going to die.”
They [. . .] this. They do not understand what [they have said] to him; rather, by the father’s will, they said this in such a way that he might (in fact) eat, and that Adam might regard them as would a man of an exclusively material nature.
The rulers took counsel with one another and said, “ Come, let us cause a deep sleep to fall upon Adam.” And he slept. - Now the deep sleep that they “ caused to fall upon him, and he slept” is Ignorance.
- They opened his side like a living woman. And they built up his side with some flesh in place of her, and Adam came to be endowed only with soul.
And the spirit-endowed woman came to him and spoke with him, saying, “Arise, Adam.” And when he saw her, he said, “ It is you who have given me life; you will be called ‘Mother of the living.’
For it is she who is my mother. It is she who is the physician, and the woman, and she who has given birth.”
Then the authorities came up to their Adam. And when they saw his female counterpart speaking with him, they became agitated with great agitation; and they became enamored of her. They said to one another, “ Come, let us sow our seed in her,” and they pursued her.
And she laughed at them for their witlessness and their blindness; and in their clutches, she became a tree, and left before them her shadowy reflection resembling herself; and they defiled [it] foully.
And they defiled the stamp of her voice, so that by the form they had modelled, together with [their] (own) image, they made themselves liable to condemnation.
Then the female spiritual principle came [in] the snake, the instructor; and it taught [them], saying, “What did he [say to] you (pi.)?
Was it, ‘From every tree in the garden shall you (sg.) eat; yet - from [the tree] of recognizing evil and good do not eat’?”
The carnal woman said, “Not only did he say ‘Do not eat,’ but even ‘Do not touch it; for the day you (pi.) eat from it, with death you (pi.) are going to die.’ ”

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Ok so they didn't actually rape eve in this book but....
excerpt from page 182 of 'On The Origin of The World' which has the rape of Eve the wife of Adam not Zoe.

'After the day of rest Sophia sent her daughter Zoe, being called Eve, as an instructor in order that she might make Adam, who had no soul, arise so that those whom he should engender might become containers of light. When Eve saw her male counterpart prostrate she had pity upon him, and she said, “Adam! Become alive! Arise upon the earth!” Immediately her word became accomplished fact. For Adam, having arisen, suddenly opened his eyes. When he saw her he said, “ You
shall be called ‘Mother of the Living’. For it is you who have given me life.”
Then the authorities were informed 1 that their modelled form was alive and had arisen, and they were greatly troubled. They sent seven archangels to see what had happened. They came to Adam. When they saw Eve talking to him they said to one another, “What sort of thing is this luminous woman? For she resembles that likeness which appeared to us in the light. Now come, let us lay hold of her and cast our 1 seed into her, so that when she becomes soiled she may not
be able to ascend into her light. Rather, those whom she bears will be under our charge. But let us not tell Adam, for he is not one of us.
Rather let us bring a deep sleep over him. And let us instruct him in his 1 sleep to the effect that she came from his rib, in order that his wife may obey, and he may be lord over her.”
Then Eve, being a force, laughed at their decision. She put mist into their eyes and secretly left 1 her likeness with Adam. She entered the tree of acquaintance and remained there. And they pursued her, and she revealed to them that she had gone into the tree and become a tree. Then, entering a great 1 state of fear, the blind creatures fled.
Afterwards, when they had recovered from the daze, they came [to Adam]; and seeing the likeness of this woman with him, they were greatly disturbed, thinking it was she 1 that was the true Eve. And they acted rashly; they came up to her and seized her and cast their seed upon her. They did so wickedly, defiling not only in natural ways but also in foul ways, defiling first the seal of her voice - that had spoken with them, saying, “What is it that exists before you?” - intending
to defile those who might say at the consummation (viz., of the age) that they had been born of the true man through verbal expression. And they erred, not knowing that it was their own body that they had defiled: it was the likeness that the authorities and their angels defiled in every way.
First she was pregnant with Abel, by the first ruler. And it was by the seven authorities and their angels that she bore the other offspring.
And all this came to pass according to the forethought of the prime parent, so that the first mother might bear within her every seed, being mixed and being fitted to the fate of the universe and its configurations, and to Justice. A prearranged plan came into effect regarding Eve, so that the modelled forms of the authorities might become enclosures of the light, whereupon it (viz., the light) would condemn them through their modelled forms.'
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Coomba98

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page 184 about Eve the wife of Adam telling the Demiurge and his Archons it was the snake that told her to do it.
Its funny they could not punish the snake in this book.

'Then when the rulers knew that they had broken their commandments, they entered Paradise and came to Adam and Eve with earthquake and great threatening, to see the effect of the aid. Then Adam and Eve trembled greatly and hid under the trees in Paradise.
Then the rulers did not know where they were and said, “Adam, where are you?”
He said, “ I am here, for through fear of you I hid, being ashamed.” And they said to him ignorantly,
“Who told you about the shame with which you clothed yourself? — unless you have eaten from that tree!” He said,
“The woman whom you gave me - it is she that gave to me and I ate.” Then they said to the latter, “What is this that you have done?” She answered and said, “ It is the instructor that urged me on, and I ate.”
Then the rulers came up to the instructor. Their eyes became misty because of him, and they could not do anything to him. They cursed him, since they were powerless. Afterwards, they came up to the woman and cursed her and her offspring. After the woman, they cursed Adam, and (cursed) the land because of him, and the crops;
and all things that they had created they cursed. They have no blessing.'

Coomba98

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Some scholars have suggested that religion is genetically "hardwired" into the human condition. One controversial proposal, the God gene hypothesis, states that some variants of a specific gene, the VMAT2 gene, predispose to spirituality.[28]


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originally posted by: Space86
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Some scholars have suggested that religion is genetically "hardwired" into the human condition. One controversial proposal, the God gene hypothesis, states that some variants of a specific gene, the VMAT2 gene, predispose to spirituality.[28]


en.m.wikipedia.org...

This is largely put to rest by sociological studies that show religious belief/devotion is commensurate with socioeconomic circumstances. As conditions improve religious belief/devotion and acceptance of faith based, paranormal religious explanations in preference to science, largely disappears. It looks like it really is "the sigh of the oppressed creature".

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Nothing more to add Sir,
Respect

The politicians haven't only created reliigions. They have actually used various tricks to destroy the christian one.
The most important and most effective technique that has been used to destroy the christian religion in the west, especially in Europe (Italy, Ireland in particular) is the substitution of real christian principles with bigotry.
Bigots, especially among the clergy, were the most destructive people against the christian religion. In fact their line appears to be dictated by christian principles, but it is only a distortion that deviates from true religious teachings towards a fanatical materialistic outburst of hatred. Usually this ends up being directed against things related to sexuality, but is not limited there. The bigots withered down the true christian beliefs and sent the christian Europeans in a condition of total disarray. The degenerative process that this brought is now irreversibly going to wreck the western civilization, as that was its main founding pillar.

a reply to: [post=20263476]coomba98[/post

'However, here's how the verse appears in some modern translations: Isaiah 14:12 (NIV) "How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!" Isaiah 14:12 (NASB) "How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations!" Isaiah 14:12 (Young's Literal Translation) "How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn! Thou hast been cut down to earth, O weakener of nations."' Coomba98

Latest Hebrew to English –Isaiah 14:12-15

Eth Cepher – YESHA’ YAHU – Isaiah Isa 14:12-15
(12) How art you fallen from heaven, O Heylel, son of the howling morning! How are you cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! (13) For you have said in your heart, I will be like EL ELYON. (15) Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, to the sides of the pit.

Religion comes into play when politic are too complex. Why do we have so naby agnostics and atheists than ever before - we know better.

Days of religion to keep a race of animals civilised was to create stories and myths for the modern man [at that time], some so good and so compelling they made it into a book written over hundreds of years - the bible.

Religion while we have official police forces, military - any 3 letter agency is simply no longer effective or needed.


Im a realist, i believe what seems more likely in information in from of me, you could show me a bomb, say that its huge and say it ended a war - or you can post the videos. Does anyone doubt the use of atomic weapons in the second world war?