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Why believe in a religion created by Politicians?

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posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 06:07 AM
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originally posted by: coomba98

Bit late in the night, but from memory in the Gnostic texts Yeshua did not die for our sins. He was murdered but the followers of the Devil. The ones he will destroy are the ones who support the Devil. Whether knowingly or not.

Coomba98


As mentioned earlier, the Gnostic texts were written later by those who tried to mix pagan practices with Christianity. Mixing religions was a common practice back then and the Bible even mentions it. Paul had to admonish new Christians for trying to do it.




posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 06:10 AM
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Deetermined.

Incorrect as i said earlier the Gnostic way goes back to at least 440bc. Or estimated 2000bc.

Coomba98



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 06:10 AM
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a reply to: Deetermined

You know who else believed that God needs a pure human sacrifice to please him so you won't feel his wrath?

The Aztecs - except at least they admitted that their God was actually The Dragon. Christians want everyone to believe in human sacrifice and cannibal rituals of bread and wine pretending to eat flesh and drink blood

The real God is not a murderer. The real God is Love and The Real Christ follows God.


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posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 06:13 AM
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Also is it not a mockery to wear your dead god on a cross consistently?

Bet that was the Devils way of rubbing Yeshua and the Aeons face into it. Sending the true light bringer back home and away from the material realm where he is god. Preventing ascention.

And modifying Yeshuas life and teachings.

Coomba98
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posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 06:15 AM
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a reply to: arpgme

What God do you follow anyway?



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 06:16 AM
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originally posted by: coomba98
Deetermined.

Incorrect as i said earlier the Gnostic way goes back to at least 440bc. Or estimated 2000bc.

Coomba98


"The Gnostic Gospels is a collection of about 54 ancient texts based upon the teachings of several spiritual leaders, which were written from the 2nd to the 4th century AD." You do know what AD stands for, don't you? You're the one who mentioned "Gnostic texts", not "Gnostic way" in your original comment.

Go to bed and get some rest, you're starting to contradict yourself and you're not making much sense any more.
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posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 06:19 AM
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a reply to: Deetermined




What God do you follow anyway?


Love because God is Love.
If it isn't Love then it isn't God.
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posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 06:20 AM
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Deetermined,

Incorrect. As i said earlier to Tadaman...

'I agree that the new testament books were created around 50AD to around 110AD. However the Gnostics also accepted the gospels of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which dated back to around 150BC with some scriptures dating back no later than 200BC.
Such as the Book of Watchers, with The Apocryphon of John obviously written well after the death of Yeshi.
Subsequently, a 1st or 2nd century date of composition circa 80 AD or earlier has been proposed for the lost Greek originals of the Gospel of Thomas.
Although all the works that eventually became incorporated into the New Testament seem to have been written no later than around 150 AD.
Zoroastrianism, a form of Gnostics is estimated to date back to two thousand years BC. Or the common accepted date is around 440BC.
The Nag Hammadi library is one of the few Gnostic records to survive the new Christian movement. Being hidden in a cave for almost two thousand years. Given the almost total destruction of the Gnostics it is difficult to pin point an exact date of origin. But it is clear from Zoroastrianism that it was way before 'Christianity'.'

Coomba98



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 06:21 AM
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originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: Deetermined




What God do you follow anyway?


Love for God is Love.
If it isn't Love then it isn't God.


So you worship an emotion and not a God. Got it.



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 06:27 AM
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a reply to: coomba98

What does any of that have to do with your comment that the Gnostic texts say that Yeshua was murdered and didn't die for our sins?



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 06:27 AM
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a reply to: Deetermined

That's your opinion. There is no God greater than LOVE.



1 John 4:7-8 King James Version (KJV)

7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.





1 John 4:16 King James Version (KJV)

16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 06:37 AM
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Deetermined,
I recommend reading the gosepls before commenting further.

For example did you know god (aka the demiurge/the Devil) and his six archangel (aka archons) took turns raping Eve after she ate the apple, and when they finished they kicked Adam and Eve out of Eden.

This is from one or some of the gnostic texts.

arpgme,
I agree if there is a God, it would be of love and not hate, rage, jealous etc etc.

Coomba98



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 06:37 AM
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a reply to: arpgme

I find it really interesting that you believe Bible verses from 1 John 4 that go on to say that God showed his love for you by sending his son, Jesus, to die for your sins, yet you don't believe that a real God needed a sacrifice, so why are you quoting verses from a book that you really don't believe in?

1 John 4:9-10

9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 06:45 AM
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originally posted by: coomba98
Deetermined,
I recommend reading the gosepls before commenting further.

For example did you know god (aka the demiurge/the Devil) and his six archangel (aka archons) took turns raping Eve after she ate the apple, and when they finished they kicked Adam and Eve out of Eden.

This is from one or some of the gnostic texts.

Coomba98


Oops, sorry! I forgot that we were using Gnostic texts as the basis for this discussion since the question was asked as to why do some people believe the Bible. I think that question has already been answered. Politicians did not rewrite the Bible and the prophecies written in it have proven to come true and continue to come true today. Have you ever asked yourself how such a little country like Israel is constantly a huge topic of discussion throughout the ages? Well, the Bible tells us why that is.



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 06:46 AM
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a reply to: Deetermined

Murder is the devil's will according to Jesus, not God's. They wanted to kill him because they were of the devil according to Jesus:



"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." - John 8:44



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 06:48 AM
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Deetermined,

Not only is the OT modified by the romans to make the demiurge god but you have to remember one reason the demiurge and his archons hate mankind is that we are smarter than them.

Their more animal than us.

Also your quote does not say Yeshi dies for our sins.

Definition.
Propitiation is an action meant to regain someone's favor or make up for something you did wrong. You might offer your mom a plate of chocolate chip cookies in propitiation for killing all her houseplants while she was away. Propitiation comes from a form of the Latin verb "propitiare," which means “to appease.
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posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 06:58 AM
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originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: Deetermined

Murder is the devil's will according to Jesus, not God's. They wanted to kill him because they were of the devil according to Jesus:



"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." - John 8:44



You're still ignoring the fact that the same author that you chose to quote from went on to say why Jesus died. Even though the people who murdered him were from the Devil, it was all a part of God's plan before it happened. Jesus is spoken of throughout the entire Old Testament and Psalm 22 chronicled his death before it happened.



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 07:01 AM
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a reply to: Deetermined

The old testament is another god who demands animal sacrifice not The Pure God of Love in Heaven.

John was not perfect either but he told some Truth and it's true God is Love.



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 07:14 AM
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originally posted by: coomba98
Deetermined,

Not only is the OT modified by the romans to make the demiurge god but you have to remember one reason the demiurge and his archons hate mankind is that we are smarter than them.

Their more animal than us.

Also your quote does not say Yeshi dies for our sins.

Definition.
Propitiation is an action meant to regain someone's favor or make up for something you did wrong. You might offer your mom a plate of chocolate chip cookies in propitiation for killing all her houseplants while she was away. Propitiation comes from a form of the Latin verb "propitiare," which means “to appease.


You're babbling and you still haven't proven that the Romans changed the Old Testament, not to mention the many other verses in the Bible that discuss Jesus' death as a means to wash away our sin so that we would be clean enough to enter heaven and stand in the presence of God.



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 07:16 AM
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originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: Deetermined

The old testament is another god who demands animal sacrifice not The Pure God of Love in Heaven.

John was not perfect either but he told some Truth and it's true God is Love.


I love how you and Coomba keep making worthless statements with nothing to back them up, except the very scriptures that say otherwise.



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