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Forcing the issue of Natural Born Citizenship: How to get standing to have the question resolved.

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posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 07:51 PM
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originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

That is the worst, most disgusting, hate-filled blog, ever.


As they point out all the lies birthers spew, of course you do not like it!

Care to show the hate there? Did you follow the links to the facts that show Obama was not adopted?


For someone who demands evidence, I cannot believe you would direct anyone there to prove a point.


Apart from them pointing out the crap birthers make up, what is wrong with it?


I refuse to even click it.


Frightened you will learn something!


IOW, you have nothing but a racebaiting, puke-filled blog as evidence.


ETA: And if they had a link to any evidence or a source to any evidence, you could find it there and simply post it here yourself.

No thanks. That blog is vile and the contributors are pure evil with evil partisan motivation. Nope. I won't give them my 'click.'

Shame on you for sourcing them.
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posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 07:52 PM
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a reply to: hellobruce

It stands.

There's no proof anywhere he was born in a hospital.




posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 07:54 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
"Explained" by who?


The person who wrote it....


Post a link.

www.theblaze.com...


Miriam Goderich issued a statement to the Political Wire saying the future president never suggested “in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii”: “You’re undoubtedly aware of the brouhaha stirred up by Breitbart about the erroneous statement in a client list Acton & Dystel published in 1991 (for circulation within the publishing industry only) that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me — an agency assistant at the time. There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more.”



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 07:56 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
There's no proof anywhere he was born in a hospital.


Apart from the birth certificates, the notice sent to the newspapers etc, all you have to back your claim up is.... nothing!



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 07:58 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye
Shame on you for sourcing them.


As expected, you cannot show where they are wrong, or anything bad about them. They show how silly birther arguments actually are, so of course you do not like them!



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 08:00 PM
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originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
"Explained" by who?


The person who wrote it....


Post a link.

www.theblaze.com...


Miriam Goderich issued a statement to the Political Wire saying the future president never suggested “in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii”: “You’re undoubtedly aware of the brouhaha stirred up by Breitbart about the erroneous statement in a client list Acton & Dystel published in 1991 (for circulation within the publishing industry only) that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me — an agency assistant at the time. There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more.”




Sounds like backpeddling to me, but I will throw it on the ginormous pile of conflicting information.



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 08:02 PM
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originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
Shame on you for sourcing them.


As expected, you cannot show where they are wrong, or anything bad about them. They show how silly birther arguments actually are, so of course you do not like them!



I don't have to. I am the only one who has to adhere to my own standards and I refuse to go to there because I have seen absolute garbage there several times.

Clearly, you aren't above using them as a source. That speaks volumes about you.

I asked for you to post any source they posted. That should not be difficult. Since you haven't. I assume it's just their pukey opinions over there.



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 08:12 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye
because I have seen absolute garbage there several times.


Yet you are unable to point out this garbage.... funny that!


Clearly, you aren't above using them as a source. That speaks volumes about you.


Yes, it shows I use sources that quote actual court cases, I do not just make crap up like birthers do!



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 08:17 PM
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originally posted by: hellobruce



Miriam Goderich issued a statement to the Political Wire saying the future president never suggested “in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii”



LOL

Of *course* they "say" he never suggested it.

After it leaked out.






posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 08:18 PM
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a reply to: hellobruce
I refuse to go there. Get it?

I have seen for my own eyes how pathetic it is there. I'm the only one I need to prove that to. I'm not interested in proving that to anyone else. Plus, they actually have a pretty piss poor reputation anyway. If someone wants to go there and read what they have to say, I don't care one bit. Not one bit.



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 08:27 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
originally posted by: hellobruce



Miriam Goderich issued a statement to the Political Wire saying the future president never suggested “in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii”



LOL

Of *course* they "say" he never suggested it.

After it leaked out.





I know! Right?

I am sure any defamation claims ran the statute of limitations years ago. And if Obama had some objection to what was printed, he should have corrected it immediately before allowing it to be used in a marketing piece.

It really does reek of backpedaling.



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 08:35 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye
I am sure any defamation claims ran the statute of limitations years ago.


What defamation?


And if Obama had some objection to what was printed, he should have corrected it immediately before allowing it to be used in a marketing piece


Any evidence Obama even saw it? Oh, again you have nothing!



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 08:42 PM
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originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
I am sure any defamation claims ran the statute of limitations years ago.


What defamation?


And if Obama had some objection to what was printed, he should have corrected it immediately before allowing it to be used in a marketing piece


Any evidence Obama even saw it? Oh, again you have nothing!


defamation
n. the act of making untrue statements about another which damages his/her reputation

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If it was untrue, then he could and should have sued for defamation TO PROVE IT WAS UNTRUE AND CLEAR HIS NAME.

And obviously he would want to see any marketing piece he allowed his name on....unless, you're suggesting he's THAT kind of garbage, instead?

However, I've never encountered a public figure that did not want full control over their name, the use of their name and bio. So I am not buying that he never saw/approved of that bio. Not for a second.

ETA: And since Obama has directed the courts to fightthesmears.com to see his birth certificate -- rather than present a physical copy in court -- then I can only assume he would never want to prove his birth place in court with an actual AND physical certified birth certificate copy.
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posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 08:52 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye
And since Obama has directed the courts to fightthesmears.com to see his birth certificate -- rather than present a physical copy in court


What are you babbling about now? As birth records are private documents, Obama did not have to do anything to stop people seeing it.

This again shows how little birthers know about law, which is why they have lost every single court case they have attempted, over 200 of them!



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 08:58 PM
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originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
And since Obama has directed the courts to fightthesmears.com to see his birth certificate -- rather than present a physical copy in court


What are you babbling about now? As birth records are private documents, Obama did not have to do anything to stop people seeing it.

This again shows how little birthers know about law, which is why they have lost every single court case they have attempted, over 200 of them!


As I proved on Page 1, in my comment here:

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...with a reputable link included: Obama's BC is not private now that he has released it publicly (that is IF he did).

I provided you with a link to the Hawaii Office of Information Practice's opinion on a similar matter where a protected record was determined to be public because it had already been made public.

You cannot unring a bell.



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 09:03 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye
Obama's BC is not private now that he has released it publicly


Wrong, it is still private.


(that is IF he did).


He did!



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 09:09 PM
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originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
Obama's BC is not private now that he has released it publicly


Wrong, it is still private.


(that is IF he did).


He did!



M'kay, well I already provided a precedent case considered by the OP showing that Obama has no legal right to privacy with respect to his birth certificate since he already made it public. (or allegedly)

On the contrary, the People have the right to verify what they were presented was authentic & true, now that he presented it.

The law has been abused for Obama and since you cannot admit that and there is no legitimate reason to keep a document private once it's been made public, then I just think you are being disingenuous and argumentative for no good reason.

I don't have time to waste on that kind of thing.

ETA: And since the law says the record should be made public because it's already been made public, I can only assume his actual birth certificate has never been made public by him or anyone else.
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posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 09:15 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye
And since the law says the record should be made public because it's already been made public,


Care to show us this "law"?


I can only assume his actual birth certificate has never been made public by him or anyone else.


Once again you refuse to accept facts, preferring to make up crap!


the People have the right to verify what they were presented was authentic & true, now that he presented it.


That is done by the states, and they all verified it! Which is why Obama is the legal POTUS.
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posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 09:18 PM
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originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
And since the law says the record should be made public because it's already been made public,


Care to show us this "law"?



SURE. FOR THE THIRD TIME...it's the Uniform Information Practices Act: UIPA

And here is the precedent and controlling opinion I am now citing for the THIRD TIME: OIP Opinion



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 09:21 PM
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originally posted by: hellobruce

That is done by the states, and they all verified it! Which is why Obama is the legal POTUS.



Obama made his birth certificate PUBLIC...not just to a select few in state government. We have seen it, and have every right to verify it now rather than take the word of any corrupt people in our state/federal governement.

IT'S ALREADY BEEN MADE PUBLIC...allegedly. It's a public record now according to Hawaii's open records law.

I am not going round and round on this anymore because I actually provided you the links to that information directly from the Hawaii State Government.
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