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Bavarian governor sends 31 migrants by bus to Angela Merkel's office, "You deal with them"!

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posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 01:04 AM
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An irate politician in Bavaria has sent a bus packed with 31 migrants on a seven-hour journey to Angela Merkel's office in Berlin after warning the German leader: 'We can't manage'. The refugees were put on a coach in Landshut, the southeastern town of Bavarian governor Peter Dreier, and transported 340 miles to the German capital. Dreier appeared to be acting on a threat he made to Merkel last year. Critical of her stance that Germany can cope with the influx of migrants, he is said to have issued a warning to the chancellor in a phone call in October. And in an apparent victory for the Bavarian governor, the refugee will be allowed to stay in Berlin and not in Bavaria - at least for tonight. But while the media and police stood around the bus, Berlin city officials inside were seen negotiating with the Bavarians, as Syrians looked on with worried faces, glancing nervously at the TV cameras outside. After two hours, Dreier said he had agreed to personally pay for the refugees' first night in a Berlin hotel, stressing that the bus had also been laid on by 'a private person', not with taxpayers money.

Dreier said 'there is no end in sight to the wave of refugees, and our country's ability to house them in a dignified way is deteriorating rapidly. And I don't see new apartments being built for the immigrants.' He said his district had 66 migrant facilities, and around 70 more refugees were coming every week. Although the 31 Syrians had official asylum status and were now free to look for a home anywhere in Germany, he said he had been keeping them in shelters so they would not end up homeless. The refugees themselves reportedly had no idea they were being used as part of a protest against Merkel's policy, and merely thought they were being given an opportunity to visit relatives in Berlin, according to German news channel n-tv and Zeit newspaper's online edition. Landshut spokesman Elmar Stoettner told The Associated Press that all 31 refugees on the bus had been granted asylum in Germany and volunteered to participate in the bus trip. The spokesman added that the ones without family in the German capital will probably 'go back to Bavaria if in Berlin they say that they don't want them.'




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I have many friends within the German Polizei who state the press has been told to not report immigrant crime and rising concerns of the rise of immigrants flooding across the borders. Many have been fired for stating the truth. Now local government is sending a clear message to MERKEL'S government .... "Enough is enough".

I have nothing against families from war torn countries seeking a safe place to raise their children but most are young single men who IMO have abandoned their families back home seeking their fortunes in a new country and this should not be tolerated.

What do you think, should everyone have a legal right to immigration?




posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 01:17 AM
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Seeking asylum is one of the basic human rights guaranteed by the Human Rights Charter. A lot has been lost, a lot of blood and sweat has been sacrificed for making the charter. We should never forget that and go backwards.

But yes we need more checks. True asylum seekers with families and children should be granted asylum while people who do illegal activities eg rape, clearly have no respect for human rights. They should be immediately deported. People who fit the criteria should be taught the law of the land so they have no escuse.

By the way, I read somewhere that its mostly men now who seek refugee status as to later bring in their families safely rather than swimming across the sea, travelling by foot in freezing weather.
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posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 01:30 AM
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a reply to: DeathSlayer

Seeking refuge for seeking asylum are two different things.

The Syrians have been covered by media as refugees...KNOWINGLY the media won't disclose too much about the Syrians wanting to seek asylum and act as refugees.

I bet one thing for sure...the more politicians and town mayors who see this as a positive action to stand against Merkel will then join by sending more "refugees" to Berlin.

There was a moment by the people who spoke up against this. Now we see the beginning of other politicians sending a statement to her.

Germany cannot handle that many people seeking asylum all at once. It will fold...and the country will fall apart.

And the more other countries ship these people to Germany only then will Merkel show her true failure card (not well played)

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posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 01:34 AM
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About time and its going to get better. Opening your border to hordes of trojan horse male (soldiers) to overtake your country who are fundamentally enshrined in a fascist primitive cult like religions that dominate women and children and are 100000000000000000000000000000 % opposite every value, law, freedom, constitution of your nation is insanity beyond. It is TREASON.

Borders need to be closed, only very carefully vetted people allowed in. Freedom for like countries can exist, your own Group of Friends but the world is not one thing. It has vast pockets of darkness (metaphor).

Protecting not only your country, your values, your constitution, your freedoms but your race is also very important as this is your children's inheritance.

There are a few who get this and why its happening:


Hungarian Top Economist: Goal of "Refugee" Invasion is Civil War in Europe and new World War

www.breitbart.com...


One of Germany’s most senior constitutional judges has said Angela Merkel’s government is violating the country’s constitution by failing to protect its borders....

“The Basic Law does not guarantee the protection of all people worldwide through de facto or legal entry permits.”

The report will be of particular concern to the German authorities since article 20(4) of the German constitution says citizens have a right to “resist” any person seeking to violate the country’s constitutional order, “if no other remedy is available”.



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 02:05 AM
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originally posted by: DeathSlayer

An irate politician in Bavaria has sent a bus packed with 31 migrants on a seven-hour journey to Angela Merkel's office in Berlin after warning the German leader: 'We can't manage'.

Dreier said 'there is no end in sight to the wave of refugees

What do you think, should everyone have a legal right to immigration?




One thing I am certain about and that is that the situation in Syria was used as cover for this immigration invasion.

I'm also certain that it probably took some time to plan and organise.

IMO the purpose of this invasion is threefold,
1 is to destabilise Europe, destroy national pride and national identify.
2 to overwhelm the capacity of the nations suffering this invasion to cope withe problem.
3 use the war on Syria to ram as many Muslims into europe as possible knowing they will out breed the locals by about 10 to 1 knowing that in less than 20 years Europe will be Muslim ruled.

Gotcha

In a state of war no weapon is off the table including cultural weapons like immigration, cultural diversity and tolerance. Not all weapons kill or main.... at least not directly.

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posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 02:07 AM
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a reply to: DeathSlayer

There are two major problems here and only one is really being mentioned occasionally.

The numbers of people arriving are totally out of control. We know another million are expected this year alone and that doesn't include the men who have come in and want to bring in their extended families. Many are not from Syria and are economic refugees, not entitled to asylum or entry, but they have slipped through often illegally due to the mayhem and distraction of families struggling along.

Also the cultural differences between these immigrants because of their religion is not being discussed in the open so different departments of western institutions such as the German Police are being scapegoated which is not acceptable. Sharia Law and Western country's laws are totally incompatible and this needs sorting out as far as Islamic expectations are concerned. Unknown to most, Jewish people have their own court system, but its not a threat to the country's legal system where its operated, however by allowing this it compromises today's situation regarding Sharia Courts.

This is a mess initially caused because Obama hates Assad and wants him gone and has spewed this into the ears of his lap dogs in Europe etc and they have funded and fully backed yet another disastrous civil war - despite looking at their previous handiwork in Iraq and Libya. Not one of the politicians involved in this is worthy of the job they do or the people they represent and will only make it even worse.

If we hit another recession as many are predicting is on the horizon, then the sh-t will really hit the fan.

Something that should be also spoken about is Saudi's role is all of this with its manic desire to spread wahabism throughout the world and to rule it through it. Why should the Gulf States not take at least some of the Sunni refugees caused by their interference and wars- why should we keep quiet about this?

What makes the Saudi situation disgusting is that its busy waging war on Yemen and the Brits are out there helping it select targets. Its best bombing successes according to the news are hospitals and schools. As the British public have never been consulted about this I would like to know how many, if any are OK with it? Did anyone think we would be in this position in 2016? I suspect Angela Merkel certainly didn't look ahead sufficiently in order to protect Germany. I would'[t want to be her because lesser politicians are calling her out like Governor Peter Dreier.

We can never do away with the Right of Asylum but we must define it so people don't mistakenly think they have that right if they don't fairly quality.



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 03:46 AM
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Think its a great idea!

If mad Merkal wants refugee she can deal with them herself!




posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 03:56 AM
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a reply to: crazyewok

What bothers me is the naivety of European politicians. Surely all of them should have been fully aware, through their intelligence services of what was coming and should have rough projections of the world stage and what is likely to happen as a result of their policies, not suddenly looking sheepish and caught with their drawers round their ankles?

Merkel along with all the others should have known their interference in Syria and the ME and elsewhere has repercussions. How come they didn't plan all of this and put in place strategies for the inevitable before it happened. Its like we are being governed by 6 year olds.



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 04:14 AM
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originally posted by: DeathSlayer

An irate politician in Bavaria has sent a bus packed with 31 migrants on a seven-hour journey to Angela Merkel's office in Berlin after warning the German leader: 'We can't manage'. The refugees were put on a coach in Landshut, the southeastern town of Bavarian governor Peter Dreier, and transported 340 miles to the German capital. Dreier appeared to be acting on a threat he made to Merkel last year. Critical of her stance that Germany can cope with the influx of migrants, he is said to have issued a warning to the chancellor in a phone call in October. And in an apparent victory for the Bavarian governor, the refugee will be allowed to stay in Berlin and not in Bavaria - at least for tonight. But while the media and police stood around the bus, Berlin city officials inside were seen negotiating with the Bavarians, as Syrians looked on with worried faces, glancing nervously at the TV cameras outside. After two hours, Dreier said he had agreed to personally pay for the refugees' first night in a Berlin hotel, stressing that the bus had also been laid on by 'a private person', not with taxpayers money.

Dreier said 'there is no end in sight to the wave of refugees, and our country's ability to house them in a dignified way is deteriorating rapidly. And I don't see new apartments being built for the immigrants.' He said his district had 66 migrant facilities, and around 70 more refugees were coming every week. Although the 31 Syrians had official asylum status and were now free to look for a home anywhere in Germany, he said he had been keeping them in shelters so they would not end up homeless. The refugees themselves reportedly had no idea they were being used as part of a protest against Merkel's policy, and merely thought they were being given an opportunity to visit relatives in Berlin, according to German news channel n-tv and Zeit newspaper's online edition. Landshut spokesman Elmar Stoettner told The Associated Press that all 31 refugees on the bus had been granted asylum in Germany and volunteered to participate in the bus trip. The spokesman added that the ones without family in the German capital will probably 'go back to Bavaria if in Berlin they say that they don't want them.'




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I have many friends within the German Polizei who state the press has been told to not report immigrant crime and rising concerns of the rise of immigrants flooding across the borders. Many have been fired for stating the truth. Now local government is sending a clear message to MERKEL'S government .... "Enough is enough".

I have nothing against families from war torn countries seeking a safe place to raise their children but most are young single men who IMO have abandoned their families back home seeking their fortunes in a new country and this should not be tolerated.

What do you think, should everyone have a legal right to immigration?


MERKLE can Suck It! She along with all the other losers who think they can rule over humanity can kiss my pretty pink A$$. I think humanity has had more than enough of these creepoids who need to be kicked to the curb, am i wrong? No, i'm right, and there are many people who are fed up with the bastards running this planet.



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 04:24 AM
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This was a retarded idea, only done for publicity - seems like a typical stunt delivered by careless people only wanting more PR.

The refugees on board the bus feel like they have been played. Which is correct. They were mere pawns to the egoistical impulse of a district administrator in Bavaria.

Status right now: refugees on their way back home on the bus. They had no passports (those were left in Bavaria). They had a designated place to stay one night, which they and the administrator refused, so he promised to pay for their stay in a hotel over night. Did he really pay out of his own pocket?

This was stupid. This taught nobody anything, besides that there are the one or other local politician who would like to dump their problems on the stairs of completely wrong destinations. THOSE WERE HUMANS and they were to be dumped like trash in Berlin!



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 04:47 AM
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ATS predicted this, despite the multiculturalist detractors.

The leaders knew this was coming. They are not as naive. most people in politics know of the cloward-piven strategy. Though this may not be their aim, they are aware of the effects of massively increasing a welfare underclass.

I do not know who controls the nwo/american empire but this has played well for them. This will destroy the EU and prevent the EU countries from exerting independent influence.
The stronger EU countries will be dealing with internal issues till the end of time if borders are not closed now.

The US gets to keep its vassals and the leading with NATO.

The NSA would only need to blackmail a 1000 or so. Would not be out of the realm of possibility.
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posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 04:57 AM
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a reply to: DeathSlayer

It's one thing to accept refugees who are "truly refugees", but the refugee problem Europe is experiencing has a criminal element and a tainted religious ideology that's a real threat to the west and humanity as a whole. You can't ignore that extremism has it's roots in the Islamic religion.

These people are fleeing a primitive and brutal interpretation of the same religion they prescribe to. The world has never experienced a refugee crisis in which there is bad and good among those seeking refuge. Ignoring this problem will only cause destabilization of the host country and a continued threat among it's population.

I don't think our founding fathers ever anticipated "freedom of religion" to include religions whose extremism had a direct threat on humanity. It's time to think logically, and realize this religion is like a disease that can taint anyone who follows Islam. When a religious belief starts to threaten humanity, it needs to be eliminated, period.

There have been mass killings for years in the name of Islam, yet many who profess this religion as being peaceful have ever organized and condemned these killings with a mass voice. Some small groups are starting to organize now, but really what has taken them so long? What does that say about people who follow this religion?
It seems to me and many others, they quietly accept such atrocities in the name of their religion.

People of Islamic faith are brain-washed at an early age to memorize the Koran. This religion doesn't allow them to use their own free thinking or to use any common sense of logic or compassion. How many people who have witnessed Islamic terrorists committing these atrocities say they have blank stares? I wonder why?

It may sound cruel, but for the sake of humanity and millions of innocent lives, the Islamic religion needs to be eliminated off the face of this earth. Anyone who would follow a religion that makes their women cloak themselves in scarves or burqas, treats them as being less worthy then men, trains children at an early age to become terrorists, digs holes and buries women up to their necks and stones them to death, throws homosexuals off of buildings head first to their deaths, trains their followers to become suicide bombers, kills and beheads children, are believing in a religion that has clearly come from the depths of hell! There's absolutely no reason or excuse to defend or even follow this belief. For someone to continue to profess their faith in Islam, knowing their religion breeds this type of evil is abominable. The majority of the "peaceful" population would be able to use common sense and realize there is something evil taking hold of their beliefs and would quickly abandon it.



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 04:59 AM
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If tanks and soldiers turned up at any of these borders it would be

considered *war* an *invasion*




Horde's of men turn up with a sprinkling of women and children

to deflect attention from the majority of young strong men.



"Softly, softly catchee monkey" and old saying meaning be

careful, take things slowly and you will get the result you want.



Victory by stealth



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 05:52 AM
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Well, asylum is about people fleeing persecution. I support people who genuinely need asylum.

Clearly that is the case for some Syrians who are caught between Assad and ISIS! However, they are not being persecuted in the many UN-run refugee camps. All the others from other basket-case countries are a mix.

The whole problem is not that these are refugees, but that they are acting like economic migrants. They head for Germany and Sweden and the UK because these countries are rich. They would be perfectly safe in Greece, Turkey, Jordan or wherever, but these won't give them what they want i.e. welfare and money. These people are abusing the asylum system.

A refugee becomes an economic migrant when they pass through safe countries.



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 08:08 AM
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originally posted by: crazyewok
Think its a great idea!

If mad Merkal wants refugee she can deal with them herself!



I hope they move in with her and if they do she does not have to worry about being raped!


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posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 10:34 AM
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a reply to: ManFromEurope

I agree to some degree to your post. As well it reflects the general consensus in german media at the time.

However, nobody seems to talk about the other side: Merkel catchphrase was always "Wir schaffen das" (we can do it).

Mr Dreier started his protest back in October. Already back then he warned, that Bavaria just has not enough capacity for this mass influx. Capacities in housing, money, control, police, medical, personel etc.
He warned and warned.
He realised Merkel/Berlin is not listening and not sending support.

So he had to take more extreme measures. He announced already back in october, that he will send refugees straight to Berlin, simply because Bavaria is on the brink.
There was even a direct phonecall between Dreier and Merkel.

Her answer (which was completely ignoring the bitter reality) was something like: if you do it, just give me notice a day ahead.

Fast forward to January, he did it. He even gave notice a day ahead. It was in all media, that the bus will arrive at 5pm in Berlin. The bus arrived at 6pm in Berlin. Reporters from all major news sources have been there (even state media, which seems to cover everything up). Even international news reporters have been there.

NO ONE, NOT A SINGLE PERSON from the Kanzleramt was there to do something. You know, not even some lame PR guy with a lame statement, not even somebody who would provide a hot tea or anything. AT ALL.

Merkel really has to start realising that there is a massive massive problem in germany.

You can't just create the biggest mess since WWII and then hide and cover.

Which leads to the big question: if Merkels reason really would be humanitarian reasons, why no answer from the Kanzleramt? Where is the "Wir schaffen das" now?

If the Berlin gov is not able to find shelter for these 30 guys on the bus in 48hours, how should the Bundesländer, the communities be able to do that?

Talk is cheap Angela.
The pitchforks will be out sooner then she excpects it. Even in my circle of mostly left leaning friends you start to hear phrases, which normally would come from the far right.
The longer this goes on, the more radical te response will be.

The warnings have been around since months now.



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 10:58 AM
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a reply to: svetlana84

Hi Svetlana,

I see you have changed your mind a lot on this subject and I can understand and accept it.
But criticizing the officials of Berlin that they did not welcome the refugees in that bus and not providing them with new homes in Berlin is a little bit contadictory.

If they had welcomed them with tea and given them new homes immediately this would have caused the next chaos and every little mayor would have started similar actions. Also most of these refugees had no ID papers on them.

It simply was a stupid act of Dreier, who made the refugees think they are going to better places and get more support. He simply used them for that cheap trick, followed the bus by car and finally had to pay a hostel and take them back next day. Only two could stay in Berlin.

If we want to see anything good in that action then it is that he pointed out the problems they have in small communities. But otherwise it did not help anything in that case.

Meanwhile about 60 refugees go home from Berlin per week on their own will. They are dissapointed about the situation and the realisation that they can't bring in their families that quickly.


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posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 12:28 PM
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originally posted by: Siddharta

If we want to see anything good in that action then it is that he pointed out the problems they have in small communities. But otherwise it did not help anything in that case.

Meanwhile about 60 refugees go home from Berlin per week on their own will. They are dissapointed about the situation and the realisation that they can't bring in their families that quickly.



It will help the smaller communities immensely. Berlin itself halted letting in refugees back in September stating among other things, they couldn't handle the mass influx of people. It is even harder for a small community to absorb and assist a large amount of outsiders than it is for a larger city. When your neighbor lets it's dog chit in your yard, the quickest effective measure, after discussing the issue with your neighbor of course, is to place the dog's chit back on your neighbors front porch. No more doggie poo in your yard. See, problem, solution.

As far as 60 refugees go home from Berlin each week........peanuts! In fact, that is such an insignificant figure it's laughable.



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 12:59 PM
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You are very correct, in assessing my change in point of view.
I have a point of view, i have a moral compass. Both based on observation, experience and reality.

When reality changes drastically i am open to change my point of view.



If we want to see anything good in that action then it is that he pointed out the problems they have in small communities. But otherwise it did not help anything in that case.


That was exactly his point: pointing out the problems. He pointed it out since months, no one listenend to him, the media covered it up, politics did not provide solutions (and still doesn't). (on a side note i don't have a solution either...)

We should not forget that Bavaria, situated in the south east of germany is the main entrance. So they took up hundreds of thousands of refugees so far. The 31 in the bus are just symbolic.

yes it was not done with the highest morals, but it s like in chess, sometimes you have to loose a pawn to get to the queen.

Still today, i have not heard any official statement from the Kanzleramt - very telling.



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 01:04 PM
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Still it is no solution. Talking about neighbors and yards: Those neighbors with the biggest yards still refuse to let in anybody at all or only in smallest numbers. That is the real problem. But it is convenient to blame the Germans for letting in people. We should have leaned back and watch the crises get worse in Greece and Italy and later leave the countries on the so called Balkan route alone.

60 per week is a drop on the hot stone, yes. But it shows, how even refugees are perceiving the reality. This situation is new to all of us and never occurred in these dimensions before. We are all newbies and have to learn quickly. But most countries simply close their eyes and ears and leave it over to Germany and Sweden to solve the problem, making it more difficult by shouting: You are idiots! You have no solutions!

Same as ATSers do. But ATSers are even free to demand solutions far beyond local and international laws or even far beyond humanity. It's so easy to sit at a pc screen and jump and shout...



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