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posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 04:33 PM
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originally posted by: AlaskanDad
For those that are whining that this is an opinion piece, I stated that in the OP along with my reason for posting a biased opinionated article.


From the OP:


For those who would defend the militias actions, I thought you need to see how others are viewing this scandalous situation in Oregon!


Heroe's or idiots, it is all just a matter of opinion!


So opinion threads are appropriate for "Other current events"? I thought these threads were a place to present facts and updates (granted we can all accept most news pieces are full of bias these days).

Either way, I then responded with another article that was an interview with someone who was on-site at the refuge, with additional facts from on location that pretty much went ignored so people could delve into more opinion.

I don't have all day to scroll through diatribes to help myself gather facts about current events, which is why it is frustrating when people turn this forum into a soapbox for their various opinions...




posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 04:36 PM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad


It’s hard to overstate how ridiculous and incoherent this demand is. These men are, to the last one, pretty hard-line conservatives, with ringleader Ammon Bundy being a registered Republican and Tea Party sympathizer. In other words, these are people who want to dismantle the social safety net and resent the federal government providing basic life necessities to people in need, such as food, shelter and healthcare.

But while they resent every bite of food going into a poor child’s mouth, they are threatening a violent standoff on the grounds that the taxpayers should be feeding their cows for free. And let’s be clear, this isn’t a “cow rights” issue. They want the taxpayers to feed their cows, but rest assured, they plan to keep all the profits off selling the cows we fattened up for them. It’s the equivalent of a car company asking the government to simply give them the steel for free to make cars.

Their ability to make themselves look bad isn’t just limited to exposing the naked greed and entitlement underlying their demands. They’re also reminding the public that they live in a fantasy world and their stunt is little more than an opportunity for a big game of Let’s Play Pretend.



I am amazed that you cannot see Yellow Journalism.

The fact is, this smut is nothing more then an opinionated piece, chuck full of lies and disinformation.

The person who wrote this garbage wants you all to believe he or she is a psychic and can read all the minds of the militia men.


These men are, to the last one, pretty hard-line conservatives Republican and Tea Party sympathizer


Interesting label. I have to wonder how much money this scumbag was paid to write this garbage?

Apparently the writer doesn't understand what the true meaning is to be a militia man.



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 04:37 PM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad

Salon?

Look, I am one of those fellows who believes that if a thing is done for profit, one should not trust it, the motivations of those doing or producing it, and that there are some things that you must never charge people for directly, like healthcare for example. Even I wouldn't trust a word printed in Salon, because if there is one thing I hate worse than pure capitalism, it is pure BS.



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 05:02 PM
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What a wacky thread.......kinda schilly....... unencumbered by thought process possibly but what about this....
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I trade the finance market by my wristwatch......time

Maybe time came around for a final stab at truth in Anti tyranny right here before it gets real dicey in the Being babysitted too much. Ya see we're stand up kinda men.....alert to all we encounter on this strange trip.....aware of what others will pull on us in a fallen world.....

Best go read up on this concept.....try to visualise truth......good gravy men.....I'm ashamed of ya's.

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posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 05:15 PM
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With all due respect to Salon, it's easy to disguise one's allegiances to the government while pretending to represent what "others" think.



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 05:33 PM
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There's more to this than the opine of hyperbole media is willing to even care about. Those who figured most of the issues were a response from the Feds, were not far off(really hoped it wasn't the situation).

BREAKING: Harney County Fire Chief Resigns. FBI Caught Posing As Militia At Local Armory

What the fire chief found out really hurt him, so he resigned. "We were told, we couldn't have a meeting", about the situation. "We've been blackballed".

Here is a summary of what he said at: 8:28


"I followed the people and I stopped them... asked who they were, they were dishonest, they would not tell...

I pursued info and took a picture of the (vehicle): They ran the license plate and it came back to undercover FBI agents.



Sharing an article on it;

For many days now, we have seen the FBI covert deploy many resources upon the community such as human operatives, electronic surveillance & harassment, media propaganda and psychological warfare. It was not until today that a prominent community leader has presented indisputable testimony that FBI has been caught potentially staging a false flag event involving the local armory.



Former Fire Chief and Committee of Safety member gives a detailed account whereby he was informed that "militia were buzzing around the armory..." and he decided to investigate. As the Chief describers, when he ran the license plates of the subjects vehicles, it was confirmed that the suspicious subjects were undercover FBI.

Sou rce

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posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 05:50 PM
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First, on private ownership of firearms:
The United States has, roughly, 312+ million citizens.
Last I looked... during Jade Helm 2015, one estimate put it at 67 million legal gun owners and 11 million illegal gun possessors.
*I'm sure both those numbers have since increased.

Now then, if those 11 million illegal gun possessors were to be focused upon and disarmed, would crime rates fall?
Well, here is where politics kicks in because if, as a nation, we were to focus on illegal gun holders rather then legal, law abiding gun owners, crime rates would indeed likely plummet but... when that happens, all those seeking to eliminate gun ownership altogether... would be put to pasture.

Starting to make sense yet?

Next up, the Oregon Militia occupation of a pasture setting stone cabin next to a small lake:
From what I can gather, this civilian militia are all legal gun owners. Also, from everything I have read, there was one infiltrator who has now since been removed.

Since occupation, there have been no murders, no homes, businesses or vehicles destroyed. The occupation is a form of protest vs government overreach. At the same time, however, cities like Chicago and Detroit and St. Louis are seeing street gang violence running rampant. Locals are scared senseless just to go to the corner store. Worse still, due to local gun ordinances... criminals are armed to the teeth but law abiding citizens are, by the most part, unarmed.

So, crime rampages on and on while the nation is torn asunder on this issue.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand."
- Abraham Lincoln

At this rate... we won't be standing much longer.

...



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 06:02 PM
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originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: AlaskanDad

Cattle men are the worst people in America. I'm a farmer, but I don't get to plant federal land...these ass hats killed all of the Buffalo and screwed everyone to get their land for grazing.

They represent the downside of the 2nd amendment. ..greedy bastards


BUT, BUT, BUT they are all self-made, self-reliant men beholden to no one.

They represent the down side of US Corporate Socialism - Private Profit at Public Expense.



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 06:07 PM
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a reply to: LSU0408

As a matter of fact.... When I was in high school, a good friend who was a Senior Girl Scout showed me how she was packing for her Girl Scout backpacking trip. I got a lot of great tips I later used myself.

a reply to: SonOfThor

Yes, I enjoyed your link. What surprised me about the Bundy group is how they came off at first like they were ready to hunker down for days or weeks or longer. Then like a week later, Carol Bundy is sending out a supply list. Well, I remember the Alcatraz Island occupation, which lasted for about a year and a half, and even they had to get re-supplied and had others join them on the island.

The Sovereign Citizen movement is loony. A good friend was well into it and thought we should be, too.

All the public grazing land west of Texas makes for a different situation than mostly privately owned ranches. Where I live there are private cattle ranches where cattle sometimes are driven onto the public land for part of the year. And the public land must be managed so cattle, camping, hunting, and logging all can take place.

The OP certainly does give info about a current event.



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 06:10 PM
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originally posted by: SonOfThor

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: AlaskanDad

Cattle men are the worst people in America. I'm a farmer, but I don't get to plant federal land...these ass hats killed all of the Buffalo and screwed everyone to get their land for grazing.

They represent the downside of the 2nd amendment. ..greedy bastards


Hmm. Maybe if there was no federally owned land you would be able to grow and maintain public land? Also, around these parts a lot of the ranchers and farmers are on private land and tend to get along pretty well.

Ever think that your animosity is just because you feel the federal Government is giving these "cattle men" a subsidy and not you?


Let me get this straight - you think there is a difference between 'Federal Land' and 'Pulbic Land'. ADad's 'dolt' comes to mind.



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 06:20 PM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad



Heroe's or idiots, it is all just a matter of opinion!


No not a matter of opinion.
If you stage an armed takeover of a federal facility & are so stupid that you have to twitter or facebeg for supplies, that makes you an idiot regardless of opinion.

Hell they should have been dusted by green tips days ago just to clear their stupid out of the gene pool.

K~



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 06:48 PM
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a reply to: Informer1958


originally posted by: AlaskanDad
For those that are whining that this is an opinion piece, I stated that in the OP along with my reason for posting a biased opinionated article.


From the OP:

"For those who would defend the militias actions, I thought you need to see how others are viewing this scandalous situation in Oregon!"


Heroe's or idiots, it is all just a matter of opinion!



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posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 02:45 AM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad

I reckon this about guns

Why are the politicians and governments always calling on everyone else to give up their guns?

If they are against guns, why have they in recent years purchased millions of them, and billions of bullets to go with them?

Why not lead by example? Why not cancel all these orders for guns and bullets?

Why don’t all the people who are "afraid of guns" divest themselves of all firearms they have? Nobody is going to complain or try to stop them from disarming themselves.

Let those who are anti gun demonstrate leadership by being the first to destroy their gun or hand it in so it can be destroyed.

If people are worried about not being able to control their guns, then lock them up in safe places or turn them in to the nearest police station for destruction.

Those who enjoy guns for their own sake or have concerns that some day they may have to restore their constitutional rights through violent means, are just maintaining their right and responsibility to do so.

I believe somewhere in the American Constitution there is a phrase that says "shall not be infringed." I presume this phrase is respected by the anti gun people …or am I wrong?



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 01:23 PM
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a reply to: sdcigarpig

Yes. Excellent summation. To add....

Rancher: 'I didn't know anything' about Bundy entering property, destroying fence

He says

"Whatever the people did to help th[e Hammonds] other than taking over the refuge, I was in favor of," Puckett said. "In my opinion, the Hammonds did get screwed."

and also


"I work with BLM," Puckett said. "I have no problem with them." ... "I am a good steward of the land. ... In no way do I feel that I am entitled to the refuge for grazing," he said.


Watch: Hunters Push Back, Tear Down Militants' Sign At Malheur Refuge

In the video released by the sportsmen, they say by tearing down the sign they are “removing extremist attempts to grab our public lands.”


Birdwatchers Have Their Feathers Ruffled Over Oregon Occupiers

"As this episode continues, though, I'm angry. These guys don't care about anyone's interest except their own, and they have no idea where they are. Malheur is a special place to Oregonians and to birders. It's remote, desolate, and starkly beautiful; the kind of place where Sandhill Cranes and Snow Geese stop traffic."
....
"There wouldn't have been another human within miles when this militia arrived on a weekend. As spring approaches, however, birds and birders will arrive en masse. If these guys aren't gone by then, there will be real trouble," Strycker said. "Bird migration doesn't really ramp up until April. If the occupation somehow lingers that long, there will be a heavy impact on the region's tourism."
....
One nature photographer and wildlife tracker from Bangkok named Kevin, who goes by the pen name Norwegian Chef, wrote an open letter to the occupiers that has been widely shared online, warning: "We are watching your every move, and we have been watching you for a long time."



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 01:26 PM
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Here's a Cracked article about the modern militia movement:
4 Facts Anti-Government Militias Don't Want You To Know



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 06:29 PM
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originally posted by: SonOfThor
They have stated clearly that they will leave if the local community requests they do so.

They've been asked to leave by the Native American tribe who donated that land to the federal government in the first place.

Yet, they are still there. Seems to me that they're liars - and you might notice that the land was entrusted to the government by the tribe.

So, why are they there again?



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 08:45 AM
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a reply to: dreamingawake

Salon journalist's opinion - bad.

Minor public official's opinion from the boondocks - good.



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 09:52 AM
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These guys are the epitome of the "Entitlement" culture. They figure they are entitled to use public lands for their personal profit, at no cost to them. What would be the FIRST thing to happen should they get their way? "No Trespassing" signs everywhere. So public land that now can be accessed by many people for many reasons all of a sudden is now "theirs" and nobody else can use it.

They seem to think that because they are conservative white ranchers they are entitled to not follow the same laws as everybody else. And sadly, the reaction of law enforcement seems to back that up... we all know that had this been a group of Black Lives Matter, or Occupy Wall Street, or Black Panthers doing EXACTLY the same thing, LE would have firebombed them the second day. But with these clowns it's kid gloves for some reason.

To someone who grew up in the US West these guys are a complete embarrassment.



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