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Sanders’ Healthcare Plan Will Save Average American Family Nearly $1,200 Per Year

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posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 07:31 PM
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originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
a reply to: yesyesyes

Not a republican, I'm just very anti-slavery. That includes debt slavery to insurance companies as well as the Federal Reserve. It just seems to me that today's democrats are just as pro-slavery as they were 150 years ago.




We all know seeing a doctor is the same as slavery! Clearly!

If you aren't Republican, you have mastered the logic
edit on 14-1-2016 by yesyesyes because: (no reason given)




posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 07:37 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: VictorVonDoom
Can you treat ongoing medical conditions like cancer this way? You can do organ transplants this way, complete with follow ups? What you're suggesting is like going to the ER with a brain tumor? Not sure how I understand how its supposed to work?


Legitimate questions. All I can tell you is how I would do it if it was up to me.

First, stop spending all that money and manpower invading countries all over the globe. Instead of building war machines build government hospitals here in the US. These hospitals would be free of charge to all US citizens. Close up these military bases we have in other countries and bring those personnel home. Retrain them to staff the hospitals. Reorganize military enlisted and officer training programs to produce more doctors, nurses, and medical personel. This will give them useful skills for civilian life as well.

Additional funding could come from ending all foreign aid and taxing religious organizations. I'm sure churches won't mind if they know that the money will go towards helping the poor. For the countries no longer receiving foreign aid, well, I'm sure they will understand we have to look after our own first, right?

The beauty of this plan is that it would require no new laws. The POTUS, as Commander in Chief, could simply issue the orders to the military. The foreign aid and religious property taxes would require some Congressional cooperation. People could still buy insurance if they want and go to regular hospitals.

Of course, the biggest problem is that it would cut into insurance company profits, which means no bribes for Congress.



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 07:41 PM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: AlaskanDad

No, just like the Obamacare he as a politician is giving to the people what they want to hear, but at the end things will have a very different result than the want been advertised, ACA is an example of that.

That is the way of politics I am afraid and history is the best prof of how things works during election year.



Congress will never pass any plan that actually benefits the People. Ever.

Bernie's plan will just allow Congress to misappropriate even more money.



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 07:45 PM
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originally posted by: yesyesyes

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
a reply to: yesyesyes

Not a republican, I'm just very anti-slavery. That includes debt slavery to insurance companies as well as the Federal Reserve. It just seems to me that today's democrats are just as pro-slavery as they were 150 years ago.



Oh, you are so righteous.

We all know seeing a doctor is the same as slavery! Clearly!

If you aren't Republican, you have mastered the logic


No, being forced to pay an insurance company for the privilege of being alive is debt slavery. Under Obamacare, insurance companies collect money for every citizen from age 3 until death, whether that's paid for by the individual, their parent, or the government after they have taken the money from someone else.

For the record, many republicans have the same "you are the property of the government" mentality as democrats.



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 07:49 PM
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originally posted by: VictorVonDoom

originally posted by: yesyesyes

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
a reply to: yesyesyes

Not a republican, I'm just very anti-slavery. That includes debt slavery to insurance companies as well as the Federal Reserve. It just seems to me that today's democrats are just as pro-slavery as they were 150 years ago.



Oh, you are so righteous.

We all know seeing a doctor is the same as slavery! Clearly!

If you aren't Republican, you have mastered the logic


No, being forced to pay an insurance company for the privilege of being alive is debt slavery. Under Obamacare, insurance companies collect money for every citizen from age 3 until death, whether that's paid for by the individual, their parent, or the government after they have taken the money from someone else.

For the record, many republicans have the same "you are the property of the government" mentality as democrats.


Because Fabian socialists have infiltrated both parties.



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 08:04 PM
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99% of politicians represent the 1%, what's strange is how so many at ATS support these corporate politicians, and fear Sanders for being different!



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 08:10 PM
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originally posted by: Edumakated
The first problem is that health insurance isn't really insurance anymore. It is a health maintenance plan. Insurance is supposed to be there to protest you from catastrophic events. Not pay for routine health care like physicals, teeth cleaning, eye exams, aspirin, and every little cough and ache that someone gets. It is supposed to be there when you break your arm, need surgery, or other major health events.

For example, people carry insurance on their home in case something happens like a fire or flood that causes damage beyond what most people can afford to pay out of pocket. As such, no one expects their homeowner's insurance to pay for maintenance like gutter cleaning, cutting grass, painting, or other maintenance items that homeowners do on their own dime.

Until consumers are in control of 1) picking the insurance company and 2) shopping for routine medical services; cost will continue to spiral out of control.


The problem is, that's not practical. Prevention is much cheaper than a cure and you see this at work in other insurance industries too. Things like physicals, those little coughs, eye exams, and so on catch problems before they develop and become more costly to treat. Therefore it makes financial sense to encourage people to make those doctor visits. You have the same thing at work with auto insurance where a record of safe driving gets you a discount and you have options like those speed monitors.

I'm not really sure what the fix for that is. If insurance returns to covering catastrophic events only, quality of life goes down and treatment gets more expensive over the long term.



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 09:06 PM
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Yea right! I'll believe it when I see it! Until then I don't believe a damn thing politicians who are trying to get elected say. You can't trust a single one of them! Hell, you can't even trust the ones who are already in office. They will say or do anything to get elected and it rarely has anything to do with truth or reality.



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 09:26 PM
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originally posted by: VictorVonDoom

originally posted by: yesyesyes

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
a reply to: yesyesyes

Not a republican, I'm just very anti-slavery. That includes debt slavery to insurance companies as well as the Federal Reserve. It just seems to me that today's democrats are just as pro-slavery as they were 150 years ago.



Oh, you are so righteous.

We all know seeing a doctor is the same as slavery! Clearly!

If you aren't Republican, you have mastered the logic


No, being forced to pay an insurance company for the privilege of being alive is debt slavery. Under Obamacare, insurance companies collect money for every citizen from age 3 until death, whether that's paid for by the individual, their parent, or the government after they have taken the money from someone else.

For the record, many republicans have the same "you are the property of the government" mentality as democrats.


And unfortunately treating terminal and long term conditions are cost prohibitive, I might know one person who could pay for cancer out of pocket, or major heart surgery out of pocket.

I do not see a cash based system being something that majority of Americans can afford. I think that is the conundrum in regards to insurance.



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 06:24 AM
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My rates more than tripled under ACA. Under Berniecare I would still be paying more than I did before ACA. Probably get less coverage under it as well.



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 07:35 AM
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originally posted by: yesyesyes

And unfortunately treating terminal and long term conditions are cost prohibitive, I might know one person who could pay for cancer out of pocket, or major heart surgery out of pocket.

I do not see a cash based system being something that majority of Americans can afford. I think that is the conundrum in regards to insurance.


All the more reason to take insurance companies out of the equation. Health care is expensive enough without insurance companies siphoning billions out of the health care system.

I would fully support the sort of single payer system that many here advocate, but there is another problem that has to be addressed first: the level of corruption in our government. That comes from both sides of the aisle.



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 07:45 AM
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originally posted by: leemachino
My rates more than tripled under ACA. Under Berniecare I would still be paying more than I did before ACA. Probably get less coverage under it as well.


Mine also did too. I went from $450 a month for family coverage to $850 or so the first year of ACA, to over $1,000 a month now. More than $12k a year for health insurance. That's almost what my mortgage payment is. It's absolutely nuts.

People would be screaming in the streets if their school or property taxes went up at obscene percentages like that.



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 08:01 AM
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Some people just need to understand there are things in society we need that are not best served by the free market and the concepts of economic growth and profit. Health care law enforcement and the penal system are just a few of these things, best served by a sensible tax system. I'm not saying the private sector can't contribute to the success of these systems and ease the burden on the tax payer, but on the whole. Some things are not best served by the private sector with its emphasis on profit and growth.



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 09:10 AM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Edumakated
The first problem is that health insurance isn't really insurance anymore. It is a health maintenance plan. Insurance is supposed to be there to protest you from catastrophic events. Not pay for routine health care like physicals, teeth cleaning, eye exams, aspirin, and every little cough and ache that someone gets. It is supposed to be there when you break your arm, need surgery, or other major health events.

For example, people carry insurance on their home in case something happens like a fire or flood that causes damage beyond what most people can afford to pay out of pocket. As such, no one expects their homeowner's insurance to pay for maintenance like gutter cleaning, cutting grass, painting, or other maintenance items that homeowners do on their own dime.

Until consumers are in control of 1) picking the insurance company and 2) shopping for routine medical services; cost will continue to spiral out of control.


The problem is, that's not practical. Prevention is much cheaper than a cure and you see this at work in other insurance industries too. Things like physicals, those little coughs, eye exams, and so on catch problems before they develop and become more costly to treat. Therefore it makes financial sense to encourage people to make those doctor visits. You have the same thing at work with auto insurance where a record of safe driving gets you a discount and you have options like those speed monitors.

I'm not really sure what the fix for that is. If insurance returns to covering catastrophic events only, quality of life goes down and treatment gets more expensive over the long term.


It is practical. Some people simple will not take care of themselves whether insurance pays for it or not. In many cases where people can't afford something, charity typically steps in to offer those services. For example, there are barbers who give out free hair cuts for first day of school for poor kids. Or free medical clinics that offer routine screenings for the poor.

If an insurance company's actuaries feel it is cost effective to pay for preventive screenings, gym memberships, etc then I am all for it. However, the consumer should be the one deciding if that is something they want to pay for in their policy.

The consumer is too far removed from the purchase decision and thus costs are not contained.



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 09:53 AM
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a reply to: Sremmos80

"Sorry they took advantage of the idea that they get to pass their losses on to you while they get keep all the profit."
Liberals STILL haven't figured this out? It's almost funny at this point. Yes, businesses want to make money. If something costs them money they pass that on to you, the consumer. Welcome to your first day of Econ 101.
So prices go up and liberals shriek about how evil the corporations are. No, the problem is the lack of foresight idiotic liberals have, the complete absence of reality in their worldview, and their determination to force you to let them run your life for you.
If you can't understand that it is normal, and acceptable, for a business to pass their costs along to the consumer then please please please don't offer any insight (or vote) on anything that could possibly have any economic repercussions whatsoever. A smart person understands the system. An idiot throws crap at a fan and gets mad when it blows back in their face.



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 10:07 AM
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originally posted by: Edumakated
a reply to: Sremmos80

You mean the same first world nations whose sick can afford it come to the US for healthcare when it comes to life saving treatments because we have the best in the world?


Uh.. sorry. They go to the states because they don't want to wait in line with the other pee-ons for the same treatment in their own country.

They don't go to you because it's the best, they go because they can afford to pay the outrageous fees for it.

Or, if it IS the only place to get the treatment, the home country usually pays for the treatment but the other obscene costs, like the stay and cost for other family members, still has to be paid out of pocket.

Big difference.



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 10:10 AM
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originally posted by: neveroddoreven99
a reply to: Sremmos80

"Sorry they took advantage of the idea that they get to pass their losses on to you while they get keep all the profit."
Liberals STILL haven't figured this out? It's almost funny at this point. Yes, businesses want to make money. If something costs them money they pass that on to you, the consumer. Welcome to your first day of Econ 101.
So prices go up and liberals shriek about how evil the corporations are. No, the problem is the lack of foresight idiotic liberals have, the complete absence of reality in their worldview, and their determination to force you to let them run your life for you.
If you can't understand that it is normal, and acceptable, for a business to pass their costs along to the consumer then please please please don't offer any insight (or vote) on anything that could possibly have any economic repercussions whatsoever. A smart person understands the system. An idiot throws crap at a fan and gets mad when it blows back in their face.


Who says the practice of medicine has to be a for profit business?



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: AlaskanDadI do not believe anything a Democrat want to be says about healthcare in America. After all he voted with the Democrats when they gave us this horrible healthcare law.



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 04:18 PM
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I don't care what ANYONE says about it, after dealing with the Government (exchange) and receiving the worst customer service of MY LIFE, INCLUDING COMCAST/VERIZON/Whoever. I never want to deal with the government for anything ever again. It was like dealing with the DMV for my heath insurance. I miss the old days when I paid about the same and had an agent that took care of everything for me. And don't say I could still do that, because Obamacare made it so that I can't afford insurance without a subsidy now.



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 04:18 PM
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originally posted by: Ceeker63
a reply to: AlaskanDadI do not believe anything a Democrat want to be says about healthcare in America. After all he voted with the Democrats when they gave us this horrible healthcare law.



And then wrote a law, opting themselves from having to have it



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