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Sanders’ Healthcare Plan Will Save Average American Family Nearly $1,200 Per Year

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posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 03:58 PM
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Too much hyperbole with his plan.

Too much petty jealousy.

Too much control for the politicians.

And no dental - vision either?

None of these so-called "Socialists" are proposing anything that will work.

But we can wait until we actually see the "proposals".





posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 04:01 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Edumakated

That sounds all too tedious and time consuming. Single payer would be a lot more painless and wouldn't require us kowtowing to the insurance industry again.

Answer me this. Why is health insurance even necessary?


The first problem is that health insurance isn't really insurance anymore. It is a health maintenance plan. Insurance is supposed to be there to protest you from catastrophic events. Not pay for routine health care like physicals, teeth cleaning, eye exams, aspirin, and every little cough and ache that someone gets. It is supposed to be there when you break your arm, need surgery, or other major health events.

For example, people carry insurance on their home in case something happens like a fire or flood that causes damage beyond what most people can afford to pay out of pocket. As such, no one expects their homeowner's insurance to pay for maintenance like gutter cleaning, cutting grass, painting, or other maintenance items that homeowners do on their own dime.

Until consumers are in control of 1) picking the insurance company and 2) shopping for routine medical services; cost will continue to spiral out of control.



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 04:03 PM
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I can't say I'm thrilled when the goverment takes over control of any program. They don't have a very good history with that sort of thing. Especially when they say it will save me money,,,, uh huh.



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad

No, just like the Obamacare he as a politician is giving to the people what they want to hear, but at the end things will have a very different result than the want been advertised, ACA is an example of that.

That is the way of politics I am afraid and history is the best prof of how things works during election year.


edit on 14-1-2016 by marg6043 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 04:10 PM
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For those that oppose Sanders and wish to keep our current rulers:





posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 04:12 PM
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originally posted by: AlaskanDad
For those that oppose Sanders and wish to keep our current rulers:




Maybe I just prefer to make changes for the better.



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 04:13 PM
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Heard it all before. Obamacare was suppose to save me a bundle and instead my premiums doubled. Now I'm supposed to believe this guy? It's de ja vu all over again.



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 04:18 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated

I fundamentally disagree with the 'free-market' approach because it really has never proven, to me, to be beneficial to the consumer. Or, in cases where it is mildly beneficial to the consumer it his disproportionately beneficial to the owners and the upper management while leaving the employees on the short end. If you can offer some examples of successful free-markets now or in the past, I'd be happy to learn from their examples.


originally posted by: Edumakated
You mean the same first world nations whose sick can afford it come to the US for healthcare when it comes to life saving treatments because we have the best in the world?


Medical Tourism

A McKinsey and Co. report from 2008 found that between 60,000 to 85,000 medical tourists were traveling to the United States for the purpose of receiving in-patient medical care. The same McKinsey study estimated that 750,000 American medical tourists traveled from the United States to other countries in 2007 (up from 500,000 in 2006).


For rare cases of care and for particularly advanced technology the US gets medical tourists. For more routine things (hip replacement, etc.) Americans leave the country.



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 04:26 PM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad

Last year I spent $10,560 on health insurance. This year I will spend $1,656 on health insurance. Obama nor Sanders had anything to do with this, I did not use Obamacare as it would have cost me about 14k instead of 10k. I still miss the good old days when I wasn't legally required to purchase health insurance. Still fuming that I am getting taxed just for living.



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 04:59 PM
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originally posted by: AlaskanDad
For those that oppose Sanders and wish to keep our current rulers:



Last I checked Bernies been in politics for over 30 years..................that makes him one of our current rulers in my eyes. Just another politician acting like a car salesman.



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 05:07 PM
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Let me guess... If I like my current insurance plan I can keep it, right?




posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 05:13 PM
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Sounds like to much hope and change...... Where have I heard that before.



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 05:36 PM
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a reply to: abe froman

Yep, you can likely keep your doctor too.



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 05:44 PM
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It is frustrating when half the populace is opposed to doing things that will actually help Americans, while they blindly champion policies that are designed to purely enrich the elite.

This is what conservatism in America has become today, a far cry from what it was 100 years ago during TDR's time.

So many people who think taking healthcare from poor people is a righteous cause... totally backwards people.



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 05:45 PM
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originally posted by: Tarzan the apeman.

originally posted by: AlaskanDad
For those that oppose Sanders and wish to keep our current rulers:



Last I checked Bernies been in politics for over 30 years..................that makes him one of our current rulers in my eyes. Just another politician acting like a car salesman.


Except he spent his time in office fighting corporations, today must be opposite day in your realm.



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 06:24 PM
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a reply to: yesyesyes

Who is trying to take health care from poor people?



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 06:24 PM
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originally posted by: yesyesyes

originally posted by: Tarzan the apeman.

originally posted by: AlaskanDad
For those that oppose Sanders and wish to keep our current rulers:



Last I checked Bernies been in politics for over 30 years..................that makes him one of our current rulers in my eyes. Just another politician acting like a car salesman.


Except he spent his time in office fighting corporations, today must be opposite day in your realm.
You are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. Difference being I not much on belittling people who see things different from me. Live and let live.

edit on 14-1-2016 by Tarzan the apeman. because: you to your



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 06:28 PM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad

There are so many benefits to Senator Sanders Medicare for all plan.

First and perhaps most important is it would consolidate the jumble major medical infrastructure. The VA system, the medicare system, all the medicaid offshoots, all the Worker's Compensation needs - all of it would be under that one umbrella for all US citizens and residents.

It would be a boon to most businesses. True the payroll taxes would necessarily be higher on both employer and employee but the employer wouldn't have the added cost of Worker's Compensation nor would they have the administrative costs of constantly monitoring insurance costs and plans and .... and.... and.....

You say thousands would be put out of work. No - many would shift to good-paying government jobs and others would stay in their private insurance jobs for cadillac insurance plans.

Medical care, medical devices, drugs - none of those industries should run on a profit motive - it is immoral.

A 'free market' where the single payer is the only mass outlet (as in other countries) set costs at a 'fair - emphasis - fair market value' and allow new start-ups to compete with innovative products and services designed to improve health care not profits.

The benefits to individuals cannot be over stated, overall costs would drop (health care costs increase about 7% a year - pssst - there is no inflation) and your stress level over getting, keeping and understanding ever more complex insurance policies would vanish.

This current system - as I said was immoral - it is designed to maximize profit for a few. It has nothing to do with caring for the sick and dying or making life livable.

I think of David Bowie - His cancer was in remission then flared up and killed him and is considered - a win for whatever treatment put his cancer into a very short remission. Gaming the system and a lie.

Always enjoy hearing from you Alaskan Daddo.



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 06:31 PM
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originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
a reply to: yesyesyes

Who is trying to take health care from poor people?


The people who want to end Obamacare, which will automatically end funding for tens of millions of subsidized plans.


Republicans basically.


But who cares, poor are scum lol



posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 06:33 PM
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originally posted by: Tarzan the apeman.

originally posted by: yesyesyes

originally posted by: Tarzan the apeman.

originally posted by: AlaskanDad
For those that oppose Sanders and wish to keep our current rulers:



Last I checked Bernies been in politics for over 30 years..................that makes him one of our current rulers in my eyes. Just another politician acting like a car salesman.


Except he spent his time in office fighting corporations, today must be opposite day in your realm.
You are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. Difference being I not much on belittling people who see things different from me. Live and let live.


It seems completely contrary to logic.

Would you hire a molester to protect children from molestation?

So why would you hire a corporatist to oppose corporatism?




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