Harner County Firechief Resigns Accuses FBI of posing as Militia Members

a reply to: Informer1958

And why do think it would come back undercover FBI....?

You don't really need to have friends in all that high of places to run plates.

a reply to: Informer1958

Not at all, just to show the possibility of bias.

Saying that just because HE said that is what the judge said, doesn't mean it is true. He isn't exactly out there to make the judge look favorable.

Some one who is pissed off at someone will be more likely to twist or embellish what was said to them by someone they are at disagreement with.

a reply to: Sremmos80

And why do think it would come back undercover FBI....?

What is your point?

a reply to: Informer1958

I am asking how likely it sounds that this guy was able to run a plate and the information that he got back outright said it was an undercover FBI vehicle.

You don't have to a be a former fire chief to run plates, so do you really think the fbi has the plates they use for undercover registered as undercover vehicles?

a reply to: Sremmos80

Saying that just because HE said that is what the judge said, doesn't mean it is true. He isn't exactly out there to make the judge look favorable.

Some one who is pissed off at someone will be more likely to twist or embellish what was said to them by someone they are at disagreement with.

I disagree.

There's no reason for the firer chief to lie. The fire chief is old schooled and clearly shows he has ethics, and high principles.

The fire chief comes off as a no nonsense man.

a reply to: Informer1958

You know nothing about this man, there is no way you can make character judgments about him. You have one video of him talking.
I would bet my last dollar you had no idea this guy existed before this video.

If you just want to take this mans word as a fact based on only him saying it, that is fine.
But there is absolutely reason for him to lie, he obviously has issues with this judge.

a reply to: Sremmos80

You don't have to a be a former fire chief to run plates, so do you really think the fbi has the plates they use for undercover registered as undercover vehicles?

Have you run any licence plates?

I am sure when the department of motors ran the plates they got the department of the FBI on their screen. That was all they needed to know.

a reply to: Informer1958

No I have not, have you?
But it isn't like it is super hard to do.
www.google.com...=how%20to%20run%20license%20plates
Quick google search shows that.

And again, do you REALLY think that the FBI would have their undercover plates come back saying they are FBI?

After that question, why would getting a return saying FBI automatically point to undercover agents acting as militia members?

a reply to: Sremmos80

You know nothing about this man, there is no way you can make character judgments about him. You have one video of him talking.

I am 57 years old.

I know how to judge good character when I see it. Watching this one video tells me many things about the fire chief.

I would bet my last dollar you had no idea this guy existed before this video.

You are correct.

If you just want to take this mans word as a fact based on only him saying it, that is fine.

Why not, millions of Americans took Obama words in the 2008 elections.

However the fire chief is not Obama is he?

But there is absolutely reason for him to lie, he obviously has issues with this judge.

Yes, the fire chief does have an issue with the Judge, he realized the Judge was corrupt by the comments the Judge made to him.

a reply to: Informer1958

Did you really just bring up Obama? Literally has nothing to do with this....
Actually it goes to show you the danger of believing things just because one person said it, but you probably don't see the irony there.

Whatever, take this guys word as fact after hearing him for the first time ever.
Perfect example of critical thought...

a reply to: Sremmos80
I believe the man's words because I've seen the feds at work. What he describes is very familiar to anyone who has dealt with such agencies. If you haven't been in their sights---you simply can't comprehend the lengths to which they will go to protect their fiefdom.
I know the look of shock, the quaver in the voice of someone who has "awakened" to the reality that people that he trusted and respected are not worthy of his trust.
I can speculate yes, and my speculation is based on past history and observation. You don't simply walk up to a vacant refuge office and find the keys hanging on a nail beside the door.
There may come a time in your life when you are as gobsmacked as this guy. I hope you don't meet the attitude you are displaying when that happens.

a reply to: Sremmos80

And again, do you REALLY think that the FBI would have their undercover plates come back saying they are FBI?

As I stated in my above post, the department of motors would have only got the department of the FBI and nothing more after running the plates, because the FBI are always undercover.

After that question, why would getting a return saying FBI automatically point to undercover agents acting as militia members?

Because the two FBI men drove the car, and when the fire chief caught them in the Armory looking around, which they had no business being in there in the first place, and they were dress like the militia.

Furthermore, when the fire chief asked these two men who they were, they were reluctant to answer his questions, and the fire chief caught them lying to him and changing their stories as he was asking them questions.

a reply to: Xcathdra
You really do need to go back and listen to what the man said.
Where did you get any idea about the National Guard being called in?
It has become patently obvious that you haven't listened to what was said or you wouldn't be bringing up these specious arguments.
Spend 20 minutes and LISTEN and avoid appearing ignorant in the discussion. You're way off base with your "judge" comments, proving you haven't a clue as to what has happened or simply don't understand the system of local government. Hint: The judge to which he refers is a county official.
If you can't take the time to learn just a bit about a situation and listen to what is actually being said, please, please, refrain from making silly statements. It isn't his ignorance that is showing, it's yours.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Whatever, take this guys word as fact after hearing him for the first time ever.
Perfect example of critical thought...

Thank you, I'll take that as a complement.

a reply to: Noobarino

How many of us didn't need a fire chief to tell us that the fbi is the ringmaster of this circus?

Also, how many of you have seen a terrorist attack where there are no injuries or destruction of property?

These aren't militia, or patriots, or terrorists. These are feds, and EVERY one of you who doesn't recognize it is being played like a violin.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Informer1958

I am asking how likely it sounds that this guy was able to run a plate and the information that he got back outright said it was an undercover FBI vehicle.

You don't have to a be a former fire chief to run plates, so do you really think the fbi has the plates they use for undercover registered as undercover vehicles?

Never happen total fabrication. If an FBI agent is under cover and you run his plates it would show as his.They create entire identities including credit cards and license but have them drive around in a vehicle registered to the FBI that makes sense. And if he used his position to run thr plates the FBI would be aware of it as well.I've noticed a lot of people in that area make things up.

And as far as theit argument about federal lands is funny.they think they should be allowed to do whatever they please on federal lands. Someone needs to tell them either pay the fees to use it like everyone else or stay off it. Those were federal lands before the state existed. They can aply to have federal lands granted to them the state will do this for buildings. But in today's world destroying vegetation and wildlife is no longer acceptable. For example you can't keep grazing the same area the permits change this area has several wild horses grazing forces them to either relocate or starve.

The whole issue is they don't want to pay grazing fees and refused to do so. BLM charges 1.35 for one month of grazing of one cow and calf or five sheep. This fee is substantially below the present-day cost of $16-$20 per month to graze livestock on private lands. Most rabchers gladly pay this do to its cheap rate. What happened here is he went broke continued to graze without permits and now has rocked up fees and fines. Because of cattle grazing a program had ti be started to save wild horses by BLM. They actually have to do round ups to either relocate and house wild horses.
www.blm.gov...

This is done to make room for cattle grazing and costs thr US government 750.00 a head total cost of the program 71.8 million. The other thing is cattle destroy land they graze. The difference is how they eat cattle tanks plants out by their roots while horses chew the top leaving thr plant to grow back. Meaning after cattle graze an area BLM will have to come in and replant brush. The fees they charge don't even cover a small percentage of thr total cost thr grazing program costs taxpayers.And yet here is a rancher that thinks it's ok for thr government to pick up thr expense for his cattle so he can make money.

a reply to: diggindirt

Maybe you should read the post I responded to before lecturing me...

a reply to: Xcathdra
Had you actually watched the video and listened to what was said, you would know that nobody at that conference mentioned the NG. Had you actually listened to what the man said, you wouldn't have posted all those silly questions about "why" he resigned. See my siggie. That's what hit him squarely in the heart---an authoritarian attitude from a public servant.

He has experienced a reality shift. He seeing men entrusted to keep the community safe actively resisting allowing the people to meet and discuss the issues. Interfering with their ability to peaceably assemble and present their grievances. No, nobody came and told them "You are prohibited from holding these meetings." They are much slicker than that---you book the site, plan your meeting and only hours before the meeting you get a call saying that a mistake was made and the site won't be available. Suddenly every venue in town large enough to hold such a meeting is unavailable. Or you find a venue and a guy to set up and run the sound, video , etc. of the meeting. A few hours before the meeting you get a call from your sound man saying, "Man, I can't make it to run the sound for your meeting. I've got everything set up for you but my wife is afraid that if I'm seen there she'll lose her job."
These people don't make direct threats, they threaten families.
In a county of something over 7000 people with a median income hovering just above the poverty line, jobs are important. I haven't looked at the census figures on employment sectors but I'd be willing to wager that the majority of the income in that county comes from government, federal, state and local. That's a lot of leverage on the government side.

a reply to: diggindirt

You would be wrong thr major employer is a meat packing plant. There are very few government jobs there. Even the town is an incorporation. Bunkerville has a population of 1014 according to last census. They have 258 house holds with an average income of 45,076 well above poverty. The next closest city is misquit Nevada who's major employer is casinos. This is where many residence work.

Again ni federal jobs. The only people in this area that are federal employees would be with the BLM which is in henderson. This is why the bundys have gotten away with their temper tantrums. There is no federal law enforcement there is no federal employees and the one having to deal with it is a local sheriff that wants no part of it.So all your speculation couldn't be further off base. You just made it all up while attacking other members with your false claims.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: imd12c4funn

Then, the Judge evidently "told" him to distance himself from the board and that it's none of his business what goes on at the armory and I would not doubt the judge threatened him with other things.

He really isn't a judge...he is nothing more than a county commissioner with no power that he can use without a commission vote.

And there is nothing but him saying this to back the claim...meaning it could all be made up to help his story.

Wow. Not even a magistrate? I guess He (ex-Fire Chief) could be a sleeper cell planted back in the 80's just for this occasion.