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Why isn't the book of Enoch in the Bible?

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posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 09:23 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Akragon

Seems to me that would be par for the course though seeing as how there are talking snakes, people who lived 500+ years, and a guy who walked on water.


FYI Genesis doesn't say it was a talking snake, it was obviously a spiritual being who is speaking, from the context. It has been suggested that it is just a nickname for that spiritual being, i.e: "that snake". The actual word used is נחש in Hebrew. It also can mean divination or enchantment and/or the knowledge gained through such practices. When the word is used in other parts of the Bible (and particularly later in Genesis) it always has the divination meaning.

Most of the writings and stories from that region and that time attribute incredible longevity to people. Perhaps they did live long lives. We now know that degradation of our telomeres is a major factor in aging. Perhaps the damage was less and there was less junk DNA back then?

And the guy who walked on water, wasn't supposed to be just an average guy, but was God Himself.




posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 09:26 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut




FYI Genesis doesn't say it was a talking snake, it was obviously a spiritual being who is speaking, from the context.


Yes, it does.


Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman


It was a created "beast", not a spiritual being.
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posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 09:29 PM
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a reply to: aorAki
Was his autobiography "The Third Eye" published in 1956, with another in a later year explaining the "Caves of the Ancients".
This is/was a lama and had to undergo the process of being (you are the reincarnated ONE we seek). He was very special as helped in thwarting China taking all of Tibet's cultural beliefs. I have no idea your 'plumber analogy'.



posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 09:34 PM
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I would say it is a question of logic. Atheist Vs. Religious.

If you are a religious person, you no doubt believe God has provided the bible in it's entirety as a guide for your life. Many people have died to preserve the bible as it exists in it's current form, and many have tried to eradicate it. It has survived. By God's will.

If you are an Atheist, you think the bible is man made. The current contents are a fable, and thus other books that contradict it must offer a more human account of historical fact. An obscure book that talks about space aliens or something is no doubt more authentic than the accepted biblical cannon.



posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 09:39 PM
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Nevermind...
edit on 13-1-2016 by Punisher75 because: Saw that the poster corected themself.



posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 09:42 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: chr0naut




FYI Genesis doesn't say it was a talking snake, it was obviously a spiritual being who is speaking, from the context.


Yes, it does.


Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman


It was a created "beast", not a spiritual being.


Please analyze critically the text you quote. Was it saying that the 'serpent' was a beast of the field, or that it was cleverer?

Didn't God also create the angels including Satan?

A more literal translation (referencing the actual Hebrew text) might be: "Nachash was more crafty than living earth creatures that YHWH Eloihim had fashioned".



posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 09:43 PM
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originally posted by: TheChrome
I would say it is a question of logic. Atheist Vs. Religious.

If you are a religious person, you no doubt believe God has provided the bible in it's entirety as a guide for your life. Many people have died to preserve the bible as it exists in it's current form, and many have tried to eradicate it. It has survived. By God's will.

If you are an Atheist, you think the bible is man made. The current contents are a fable, and thus other books that contradict it must offer a more human account of historical fact. An obscure book that talks about space aliens or something is no doubt more authentic than the accepted biblical cannon.

Logic (reasoning) one accepts ones existence as a bio form evolved has no thing to do with 'Faith' based invention/accidental incarnation. It is what it is.
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posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 09:45 PM
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More asinine christian bashing

Its just endless

The book of Enoch was left out of the Old Testament because the Jews rejected it from their own canon.
The Old Testament is the Jewish canon, its not christian.

Come on its not that difficult unless you have an agenda.

Christians cant just add Enoch to the Jewish canon, thats ludicrous.



posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 09:49 PM
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a reply to: Ghost147
this thread is about the book of enoch not other writings please stay on topic.



posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 09:49 PM
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originally posted by: vethumanbeing
a reply to: aorAki
Was his autobiography "The Third Eye" published in 1956, with another in a later year explaining the "Caves of the Ancients".
This is/was a lama and had to undergo the process of being (you are the reincarnated ONE we seek). He was very special as helped in thwarting China taking all of Tibet's cultural beliefs. I have no idea your 'plumber analogy'.


Sorry to have to disappoint: Lobsang Rampa - Wikipedia



posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 09:53 PM
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originally posted by: Raggedyman
More asinine christian bashing

Its just endless

The book of Enoch was left out of the Old Testament because the Jews rejected it from their own canon.
The Old Testament is the Jewish canon, its not christian.

Come on its not that difficult unless you have an agenda.

Christians cant just add Enoch to the Jewish canon, thats ludicrous.



I agree and disagree. I agree the book of Enoch is baseless. However, the Hebrew/Aramaic Scriptures and the Greek Scriptures are in harmony and provide the complete guide for God's followers. If the Jews follow the "Old Testament" and Christendom follows the "New Testament" then both of them are not understanding the full context of the scripture.



posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 09:55 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
a reply to: aorAki
Was his autobiography "The Third Eye" published in 1956, with another in a later year explaining the "Caves of the Ancients".
This is/was a lama and had to undergo the process of being (you are the reincarnated ONE we seek). He was very special as helped in thwarting China taking all of Tibet's cultural beliefs. I have no idea your 'plumber analogy'.


Sorry to have to disappoint: Lobsang Rampa - Wikipedia

Who are you disappointing chrOnaut? Those that have not read Lobsang's autobiography or yours soon to be published.
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posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 09:58 PM
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Yes, it does.


Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman


It was a created "beast", not a spiritual being.


It depends on how it is used.
The word Nachash means 3 different things, Serpent, Shining One and To Practice Divination.
It is important to keep in mind all three of these definitions would be in the Ancient Hebrew mind when they read their scripture.
I would imagine they were smart enough and close enough to the text to know that it was a triple entendre.
edit on 13-1-2016 by Punisher75 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 09:59 PM
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originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Akragon


It also tells about things that are complete nonsense...


Calculus appears to be complete nonsense to an algebra student. Now imagine a calculus teacher that has to use a translator to relay the message to the algebra student.


Not understanding something... and believing people were once 450 feet tall, or a snake and a donkey once had a little chat with men are hardly the same thing

you do know that the serpent was a title of office for Lucifer/satan right?

www.markbeast.com...

The serpent in the garden of Eden was no snake. this despite the allusion to going down on his belly and eating dust. this is a Hebraism (saying or figure of speech in ancient usage but extinct in more modern times linguistically) for abasement and humiliation. furthermore the tree of knowledge of good and evil was not a tree nor was the tree of life.

There are several more of these Hebraisms in the bible that produce confusion. like what the heck a "grove" is and a saying like "the smoke of their burning shall go up forever; " etc.

the later is important because in this saying, while the smoke of their burning shall go up forever their burning shall not go on forever. this was a way of saying something was finished, done, sealed, could not be undone. this is important because it effects a number of verses about the nature of hell and the fate of those that are consigned to it.

In that link i cited it mentions the king of tyre which is an accepted Biblical Type for Satan. what happens to the king of tyre is what happens to people in hell. He perishes; turned to ash from within his midst (belly) and blows away. again and again the bible says the fate of the wicked is to perish. not cook forever on the heaven's porch hibachi; but to perish. die. The son of perdition mean the one destined to perish. perish perish perish. no psychotic torture fodder for sick holier than thou psychopaths in heaven at the hand of a monstrous malevolent God. just executed and completely erased from all record and memory.



posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 10:01 PM
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originally posted by: TheChrome


I agree and disagree. I agree the book of Enoch is baseless. However, the Hebrew/Aramaic Scriptures and the Greek Scriptures are in harmony and provide the complete guide for God's followers. If the Jews follow the "Old Testament" and Christendom follows the "New Testament" then both of them are not understanding the full context of the scripture.


I am sorry
I dont believe the law can be in harmony with grace, not in any context

Old testament under the law, death and severe justice metered out by humanity and God
New Testament, Grace poured out onto humanity and christians to be a living walking Gospel of Gods grace through Christs to humanity
The OT points to Jesus. The Jews are following the old laws and that is the problem, they deny Jesus, they do not understand the full context of scripture



posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 10:02 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut




Please analyze critically the text you quote. Was it saying that the 'serpent' was a beast of the field, or that it was cleverer?


Is a serpent a beast of the field? Why yes, it is!



Didn't God also create the angels including Satan?


Genesis doesn't call the serpent and angel or address it as Satan. Genesis calls a serpent, a serpent, and in the story, the serpent talks.



posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 10:05 PM
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Genesis doesn't call the serpent and angel or address it as Satan. Genesis calls a serpent, a serpent, and in the story, the serpent talks.


Yes that is how it is translated in English, however keep in mind English does not have a single word that means all three; Serpent, shining one, and diviner.
The Hebrew does. It was used as a triple entendre.
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posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 10:11 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: chr0naut




Please analyze critically the text you quote. Was it saying that the 'serpent' was a beast of the field, or that it was cleverer?


Is a serpent a beast of the field? Why yes, it is!



Didn't God also create the angels including Satan?


Genesis doesn't call the serpent and angel or address it as Satan. Genesis calls a serpent, a serpent, and in the story, the serpent talks.



was Jake "the snake" Roberts a snake because you know he's called a snake...



posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 10:15 PM
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Revelation 20:2




And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,


he has quite a few names. appolyon, abbadon, son of perdition, death...



posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 10:17 PM
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a reply to: Raggedyman




Christians cant just add Enoch to the Jewish canon,


They can't?


thats ludicrous.


Is it?

THE COUNCIL OF LAODICEA IN PHRYGIA PACATIANA 364 A.D.


CANON LX.

THESE are all the books of Old Testament appointed to be read: 1, Genesis of the world; 2, The Exodus from Egypt; 3, Leviticus; 4, Numbers; 5, Deuteronomy; 6, Joshua, the son of Nun; 7, Judges, Ruth; 8, Esther; 9, Of the Kings, First and Second; 10, Of the Kings, Third and Fourth; 11, Chronicles, First and Second; 12, Esdras, First and Second; 13, The Book of Psalms; 14, The Proverbs of Solomon; 15, Ecclesiastes; 16, The Song of Songs;17, Job; 18, The Twelve Prophets; 19, Isaiah; 20, Jeremiah, and Baruch, the Lamentations, and the Epistle; 21, Ezekiel; 22, Daniel.

And these are the books of the New Testament: Four Gospels, according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John; The Acts of the Apostles; Seven Catholic Epistles, to wit, one of James, two of Peter, three of John, one of Jude; Fourteen Epistles of Paul, one to the Romans, two to the Corinthians, one to the Galatians, one to the Ephesians, one to the Philippians, one to the Colossians, two to the Thessalonians, one to the Hebrews, two to Timothy, one to Titus, and one to Philemon.



Books banned by the Council of Laodicea

Barnabas
I Clement
II Clement
Christ and Abgarus
The Apostles' Creed
I Hermas-Visions
II Hermas-Commands
III Hermas-Similitudes
Ephesians
I Infancy
II Infancy
Mary
Magnesians
Nicodemus
Paul and Seneca
Paul and Thecla
Philippians
Philadelphians
Polycarp
Romans
Trallians
Letters of Herod and Pilate
The First Book of Adam and Eve
The Second Book of Adam and Eve
The Secrets of Enoch
The Psalms of Solomon
The Odes of Solomon
The Fourth Book of Maccabees
The Story of Ahikar
The Testament of Reuben
Asher
Joseph
Simeon
Levi
Judah
Issachar
Zebulum
Dan
Naphtali
Gad
Benjamin


Synod of Laodicea (4th Century)




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