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Why are you so afraid of the socialist society?

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posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 05:10 PM
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originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Sparkymedic
a reply to: Annee

Fair enough. I have edited my post above.
The sources are obvious and the author is clearly using their own charts to visualize publicly available data.


OK. And what is the source of the data?

I'm not taking sides, but "articles" are written all the time. Some are legit, some are baseless, others slanted with unfounded bias.



UHHH! SO LAZY YOU ARE!


One chart has the sources listed on it. The others are EASILY GOOGLE-able. and the last graphic is an admitted screen grab from Norges Bank's webpage. Which is why it's in Norwegian.

Happy?



It's your post.

You throw out data source - - and then expect others to find it?

But, thanks. I think I'm mostly done with my "distraction" for now.
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posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 12:36 AM
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originally posted by: DexterRiley
Can you define what a socialist society actually is? There is a lot of confusion in the US about what socialism actually means. Many people believe that socialism and communism are interchangeable.

-dex


That's because they pretty much are, or at least have one major thing in common. They are both ideologies for a centralized totalitarian dictatorship.



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 03:32 AM
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So much for socialism helping you out in Norway. Seems as though you can't escape what the rest of the world feels as well:

Norway Pushes Panic Button


Norway has declared that its oil industry has entered a “crisis.”
“[The] industry is in a crisis now, we can’t deny that,” Bente Nyland, director general of the Norwegian Petroleum Directorate, told Bloomberg who reminds us that “Norway depends on oil and gas for about one-fifth of its economic output and nationwide, the petroleum industry has cut almost 30,000 jobs.”


Here is my issue with Socialism...and all the other ism's really.

THEY ALL USE CENTRALIZED BANKS!

The real issue we ALL face on this planet is the issue of money and especially fiat money at that.

Leave it to "budgets" to be the biggest excuse in the world not to do something right. It's not that resources aren't there, but the man made, invented, imagined and believed money we use truly is the main cause of the worlds strife.

Take the USA's Space Shuttle for example. It was the most dangerous vehicle in use when it was being used. And this was not that it couldn;t have been engineered better. From the engineers themselves, it was unsafe due to the fact that it had to work within a budget.

Or take WWII for another example. Before the US entered the war, their air force was small to moderate. Then they entered the war and an exponential boom in air craft manufacturing happened. Could they afford it? No. Were the resources there though? Yes, they were. And they clearly made it happen because it was essentially do or die.

If we want anything to change in this world, the economic model the world uses (ie monetary economics) MUST change. Communism, capitalism, socialism, etc. None of these will work, EVER, so long as they are rooted in monetary economics. Not to say they would work without monetary economics. Perhaps communism could, but it historically never has.

It is essential that global economics change and adapt to survive.


The Oil industry is in crisis everywhere. Norway is no different. How is loosing jobs relatable to my original question? If anything, feeling you are implementing that "our" system does not work, we are prepared (I'm hoping) to properly take care of the folks loosing their jobs in the oil industry however difficult it may bee.
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posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 01:47 PM
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I am terrified of socialists because socialists don't understand why I'm terrified of them.



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 08:08 PM
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a reply to: BrianFlanders

Interesting posit!

(line 2)



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 08:10 PM
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a reply to: BrianFlanders

I think, rather, that you are terrified of "socialists" because you don't have the slightest idea what they stand for, regardless of their repeated efforts to explain it to you.

Kinda like this.....



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 08:20 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

And a simple rejoinder to you would seem to be; ...you are terrified of capitalists because you don't have the slightest idea what they stand for, regardless of your repeated attempts to be one. (wink)

NOTE: before you react to my post, please see my earlier posts in this thread. My point is simply this; those calling for socialism have no understanding of capitalism, right or wrong, hence their calls it should be so easy.



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 08:32 PM
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I am opposed to a socialist society because I work and earn my own living. Therefore I would be one of the people that the gov't would take from to give to the people that do not work and earn their own living. This is the biggest problem we face in the country today is that there are way too many people who live off of the systems already in place when they are perfectly able bodied and able to get a job and earn their own way.

Saying this, I also have to add that I have NO PROBLEM with people that are disabled, mentally or physically having their lives supplemented by the programs in place for those people. My problem is with the multitudinous amount of people who are in as good a shape as I am who lay around and enjoy a living that is out of my reach as a working man. The situation is appalling.

I also have a huge problem with these benefits being bestowed upon people who have never worked and paid into these programs such as people that come here illegally and are given every benefit in the world where a working man in ineligible for the same. There is no justice in that. Just saying...a reply to: maplecustom


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posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 08:38 PM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk


And a simple rejoinder to you would seem to be; ...you are terrified of capitalists because you don't have the slightest idea what they stand for, regardless of your repeated attempts to be one. (wink)

Yeah, (wink) not.

You don't know the slightest thing about me, my upbringing, my background, my education, my experience, or anything else.
(wink)



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 08:48 PM
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They will rally behind the people who will eventually dispose of them.
They are Pawns and in Chess Pawns are meant to be sacrificed.



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 11:11 PM
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The US of A in motivated by greed and ruled through fear, socialism would change these two necessities.


Go Bernie!!!!



posted on Jan, 17 2016 @ 07:17 AM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Sparkymedic


The real issue we ALL face on this planet is the issue of money and especially fiat money at that.

Is it?

I mean, I agree with you that money is front and center .....

but is it the "real issue"?
I'm thinking no.

I'm thinking survival, and planetary health, and cooperation are more of the real issue.


I agree. You make a good point. Monetary economics is front and center like you said. It seems to be a crux of causing such a negative impact on society.



posted on Jan, 17 2016 @ 07:59 AM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Sparkymedic
a reply to: Annee

Fair enough. I have edited my post above.
The sources are obvious and the author is clearly using their own charts to visualize publicly available data.


OK. And what is the source of the data?

I'm not taking sides, but "articles" are written all the time. Some are legit, some are baseless, others slanted with unfounded bias.



UHHH! SO LAZY YOU ARE!


One chart has the sources listed on it. The others are EASILY GOOGLE-able. and the last graphic is an admitted screen grab from Norges Bank's webpage. Which is why it's in Norwegian.

Happy?



It's your post.

You throw out data source - - and then expect others to find it?

But, thanks. I think I'm mostly done with my "distraction" for now.


Yes. I do expect others to find things out on their own and not take anything verbatim. I provided a source. It's up to you to believe it or not, which is based on you either taking it for what it is or reading further into it all. I did not provide a lack of anything. You chose to not take it for what it was OR look into any of it further. Get a grip.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 11:49 AM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: BrianFlanders

I think, rather, that you are terrified of "socialists" because you don't have the slightest idea what they stand for, regardless of their repeated efforts to explain it to you.

Kinda like this.....


I hate socialism mostly because it's fans typically bring nothing but "you don't know what it means".

How does anybody actually use that as a justification for anything in this world, lol ?

If one believes in the fantastic mythology of socialism and/or communism, they're already at a deficit in comparing anybody's "understanding" of anything.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 11:52 AM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk


And a simple rejoinder to you would seem to be; ...you are terrified of capitalists because you don't have the slightest idea what they stand for, regardless of your repeated attempts to be one. (wink)

Yeah, (wink) not.

You don't know the slightest thing about me, my upbringing, my background, my education, my experience, or anything else.
(wink)

That's odd...you're complaining about somebody's supposition about you....when it was just a spoof of the fact that you just got done doing it yourself, to somebody else. Time for a little self-analysis there.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 11:58 AM
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originally posted by: stevieray
I hate socialism mostly because it's fans typically bring nothing but "you don't know what it means".

How does anybody actually use that as a justification for anything in this world, lol ?


That's not true. I've seen many socialists on this site try to patiently explain what Socialism really is versus the misconceptions about it that conservatives have. Myself included. Heck, I was doing that before I even likened myself to the Socialist label.

Usually when we've gotten to the above phase it is due to frustration from the people we are talking to saying stuff like what you are saying below this text in that next quote window.


If one believes in the fantastic mythology of socialism and/or communism, they're already at a deficit in comparing anybody's "understanding" of anything.


Saying things like this shows that you are 100% ready to not believe us or listen to us if we DID sit down and explain to you why you don't understand it. Maybe respect you debate opponents a bit more and you'll actually learn something out of an argument instead of going in to be smug about things.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 12:10 PM
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The thing I find odd is that folks who buy the marxism myth, lock stock & barrel, are the quickest to insult and mock religion with various insults that revolve around "myth / fiction / magic man".

marxism and it's 1001 variants are nice, happy thoughts. But wholly impossible to operationalize. As proven by how many failed attempts ?

The "oh they just didn't do it right" and "America screwed it up for them" are just not credible. Classic excuses when somebody knows they're just flat out wrong.

Collectivism is a sweet, loveable concept. It can actually work in a little tiny community - kibbutz, commune, amish, etc.

Scandanavian / Nordic countries came close, as small homogenous societies, but then they just had to fold in the attendant leftist belief in PC one-world multi-culti. Now they're screwed.

Socialism / communism are just not possible in a state of any size or complexity. Unless it's used only as a fascist murderous tool to take and forever keep power. USSR, China, Cuba, North Korea are the only accurate snapshots / uses of the concept.

Sorry, that's the truth.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 12:10 PM
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edit on 19-1-2016 by stevieray because: duplicate, though highly accurate lol.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 12:21 PM
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TO ALL I will say this I DO agree people shouldn't live under such a predatory economy and buisness structure.
I don't have the intelligence in those areas,but if those are MORE constructed to give advantage to the collective,yet retain a form of meritocracy that actually takes into account effective employees and capitalist reward values,that might work..
We need to begin to focus on infrastructure and industry that is capable of producing durable goods with extended legacy through modularity rather than the need to produce so many models of the same thing.
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AND since so many of our populace is behind bars ,when they get out, THEY have to work too or THERE IS no rehabilitation.
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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 12:49 PM
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if those are MORE constructed to give advantage to the collective,yet retain a form of meritocracy that actually takes into account effective employees and capitalist reward values,that might work..


Yay!!!!


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