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Why are you so afraid of the socialist society?

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posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 10:14 PM
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

the spoiled brat of a very OIL RICH....very CAPITALIST.. .FATHER.

Come now, you forget that the FED Reserve was the child of Jekyll Island...a very hideous child let loose on the World

The Creature from Jekyll Island : A Second Look at the Federal Reserve Paperback – May, 1998
by G. Edward Griffin (Author)

posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 10:22 PM
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Take the average temperature of Norway, add about 40 degrees heat annually to that, open the borders (like the US)...then come back in ten years and tell us how Norway is

Does not compute - like comparing Apples to Oranges - Your borders are very strict and yet Millions seem to make it conveniently across from Mexico so your households can have cheap cleaners gardeners and cooks and maids, the extra leisure time afforded you has not seen a rising of intelligence levels, increased sloth I would say...

posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 10:58 PM
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Because you're so wealthy and sparsely populated can AFFORD IT.

half your density is hardly sparsely?

United States 9,826,675 3,794,101 322,633,156 Density: 32.83 pop/km2

Norway Population
• 2013 census 5,165,802[4]
• Density 15.5/km2 (213th)
35/sq mi

how about you look after your wealth properly?

Only 5 million people live in Norway, but thanks to the country’s careful management of its oil wealth, the country runs the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world. Everything about the fund is big. Very big.

Reported assets, for example, totaled $890 billion at the end of June—that’s $178,000 for every Norwegian. And the fund holds around 1% of all the stocks and bonds in the world.

The USA does have a Sovereign Wealth Fund, after a fashion: the Social Security Trust Fund. However, it is invested incredibly poorly: in Government Account Series Treasury Bonds and Notes, whose return on investment doesn't even vaguely beat inflation.

This "investment strategy" was set by the U.S. Congress ostensibly because treasury securities are the safest investment there is and the public Bond & Stock Markets are "untrustworthy." However, every other investment fund of note in the world (including both private and public Pension Funds) invests far more widely and successfully in those public Financial Markets.

Some people just assume that, since the Social Security surplus was “borrowed” or “stolen,” during the period when it was not needed to pay Social Security benefits, the government will automatically repay the looted money when it is needed. It is not at all certain that this will happen. Where will the government get the money with which to repay the Social Security debt? Since the national debt has soared from $1 trillion in 1981 to more than $12 trillion today, and continues to rise at an alarming rate, the government will probably not be able to borrow money from the public to repay Social Security. This means that the only way the government can repay the Social Security money is by raising taxes.

Taxes have never been popular in this country, but they are probably more hated today than ever before. The large tax cuts under both President Ronald Reagan and President George W. Bush , and the rhetoric used to justify those cuts, have convinced many Americans that tax increases are just about the greatest of all evils and that tax cuts are almost always virtuous. Therefore, it is hard for me to believe that either the Congress or the American people would support a large tax increase for the explicit purpose of replacing tax revenue that has been misspent by the government. The government cannot just increase taxes when there is a need for more revenue. There is a very difficult political process that any tax increase must go through in order to be enacted into law, and I don’t think the public is in the mood today to support a large tax increase. If the government cannot borrow the money, or raise it through higher taxes, it will be unable to repay the looted Social Security money. If that happens, Social Security benefits will have to be cut.

posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 11:06 PM
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

and Canada is another wilderness settler, funny how your students relocate for a better affordable education. Or how about your self sufficiency of Oil through Fracking and Tar sands - the high fences excuse starts wearing thin

american exceptionalism

posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 11:16 PM
a reply to: stevieray

Now that they are observing the never-avoidable PC/ one-world / anarchy that socialism must always embrace....they are done.

And you dont have PC? how about you look at BLM, or your neo-fascist Police (To serve themeslves) Force, or affirmative action where incompetents get jobs not on merit but by being part of a minority?

How come you dont control counterfeiting of your currency, thats right you dare not, the worlds drug trade is transacted with US dollars. Keeps your country afloat. A Prozac Nation

posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 11:18 PM
a reply to: maplecustom

Swedish journalist, Lars Anders Johansson, sits down with Bill Whittle to discuss whether the socialist-utopia label actually works to describe Sweden. He highlights some of his country's failed policies, and also discusses the future of Muslim immigrants in Europe.

posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 11:20 PM
a reply to: Indigo5

In all things where innovation, grit and hard work matter for the advancement of mankind...capitalism is the doubt...period...full stop. Just the facts. It incentives hard work, optimization, innovation and efficiency.

So you would agree that you don't have true capitalism but an Oil-igarchy in the US (bankers bail outs - preferential treatment of Oil companies)

posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 11:31 PM
a reply to: cavtrooper7

ALL completely socialist based govts. have fallen into cesspools many US troops died in.

You conveniently overlook the raping of South America - yes socialist and communist nations or under a (Washington/CIA friendly) military Junta - why is that?

posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 11:31 PM
a reply to: maplecustom

Who's Afraid of Political Parasites ? Bloodsuckers who feed off the Productive in order to prop up the Worthless . Creators of Nothing , who Wish to Consume All . Freedom is also a Dirty Word to their Ilk , they try to dehumanize the Masses with their Double Speak Propaganda in order to have Complete Control over their Bodies and Minds . Socialists are irrelevant to most Americans who have seen America become a Great Nation through Democratic Capitalism that today is being Attacked by those same Socialists with their own Personal Agendas .

posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 11:40 PM
a reply to: cavtrooper7

We are a republic free to pick and choose by vote what we think works best

what Vote?

Hacking Democracy

Hacking Democracy is the 2006 documentary film broadcast on HBO and created by producer / directors Russell Michaels and Simon Ardizzone and producer Robert Carrillo Cohen and executive producers Sarah Teale & Sian Edwards. Filmed over three years it documents American citizens investigating anomalies and irregularities with 'e-voting' (electronic voting) systems that occurred during the 2000 and 2004 elections in the U.S.A., especially in Volusia County, Florida. The film investigates the flawed integrity of electronic voting machines, particularly those made by Diebold Election Systems, exposing previously unknown backdoors in the Diebold trade secret computer software.

have a govt run health system

are you for a minute suggesting that Pharmaceuticals dont get a free ride in the USA?

Our “socialist” president is doling out welfare payments–unfortunately, to one of the world’s most profitable and socially corrupt industries: pharmaceuticals. Barack Obama’s administration is ponying up $1 billion to create a new branch of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) designed to help Big Pharma develop new drugs.

The story in The New York Times and other media failed to mention what mandates, if any, would ensure that drugs developed on the taxpayer’s dime would serve pressing public health needs and be subject to price limits and profit controls.

The new project “is outrageous,” says Marcia Angell, former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine. Public subsidies for drug research, she says, mean that “taxpayers pay twice, first for research and development [R&D], and then they pay high prices at drugstore.”

Funding for the NIH’s new National Center for Advancing Translational Sciences was needed, the Times article noted, “because companies have neither the will nor the resources to undertake the effort,” given the cost of developing new drugs.

“They do have resources,” says Angell, now at Harvard University’s Department of Global Health and Social Medicine. “The public is supporting drug companies that make obscene profits. Indeed, the pharmaceutical industry keeps more in profits than it spends on R&D [a tax-deductible expenditure]. “

Big Pharma boasts that it put $45.8 billion into research in 2009, but that figure is better cooked than high-grade meth, and possibly more deleterious to public health. In fact, much of the R&D budget flows not to new meds, but to drugs designed to capture market share and evade patent expirations by changing dosages,

posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 11:42 PM
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

No I wasn't discussing CIA missions, just socialism.

posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 11:42 PM
a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

Grimpachi is correct.

The heart of government is the use of force to achieve political aims. Government is inherently socialist, because government has to seek funding for it's activities from those who produce (the tax payer).

Amazing no one starred your post - the truth hurts

posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 11:44 PM
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

What you HAPPEN to extrude from conversations isn't jibbing with reality here.
Big pharma is a PILLAR of the oligarchs, they are invading England as we speak.

posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 12:06 AM
a reply to: stevieray

marxism was written solely as an excuse by a filthy smelly bum who didn't feel like working. It was turned into a movement by people who couldn't think much past the level of a 14-year-old

You are quite ignorant -

" Bankrolling the Bolshevik Revolution
World War I, the Bolshevik Revolution, and Corporate Socialism"
The Income Tax and the Foundations

The establishing of the Federal Reserve System provided the "conspiracy" with an instrument whereby the international bankers could run the national debt up to the sky, thereby collecting enormous amounts of interest and also gaining control over the borrower. During the Wilson Administration alone, the national debt expanded 800 percent.

Two months prior to the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, the conspirators had created the mechanism to collect the funds to pay the interest on the national debt. That mechanism was the progressive income tax, the second plank of Karl Marx' Communist Manifesto which contained ten planks for SOCIALIZING a country.

One quite naturally assumes that the graduated income tax would be opposed by the wealthy. The fact is that many of the wealthiest Americans supported it. Some, no doubt, out of altruism and because, at first, the taxes were very small. But others backed the scheme because they already had a plan for permanently avoiding both the income tax and the subsequent inheritance tax.

posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 03:23 AM
I suggest the OP is a troll. Show me one example in history of a socialist state that was good for the people. There isn't one. That's why people are afraid, at least the educated ones are.

posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 08:55 AM

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: jaffo
I am not afraid, I am opposed. My labors should pay to me exactly what I have earned. If I work harder/smarter/longer than you, I and I alone should enjoy ALL the fruits of my labors. I do not work to enable failure or defeatism or sloth. Want more? Work more.

as a nation there are some things we can not do as individuals..

If the road in front of your house was maintained by you and each and every home owner individually...It would be a pretty wild drive (including some strange tolls) to work every day....So we suck it up and say, this is something best done as a "society" and we should all chip in...

Ditto military, police, fire, etc.

I would argue healthcare should fall under this heading, because cancer and disease does not care about if you "work harder/smarter/longer"...

But I do agree in all things where "work harder/smarter/longer" matters...capitalism should be cherished.

you should try driving through Durham NC USA in the established neighborhoods there... the owner does pay for the road improvement in front of their house and if they dont? then its just gravel and pot holes... its really strange going from paved to unpaved ad nauseum property footage by property footage, where also a house worth 500k can sit next to one worth 20k and very often do all thoughout... its an interesting visual of contrast going on all throughout that city

posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 09:12 AM
you know that communism never left.
they just renamed it socialism.

posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 09:30 AM

originally posted by: ArJunaBugShow me one example in history of a socialist state that was good for the people. There isn't one. That's why people are afraid, at least the educated ones are.

I can give you a very long list indeed. Actually, almost all Western nations are socialist states.

Western nations are mostly crafted after the model of the French Republic. Way back in the 18th century the French became fed up with their King and decided that the fate of the people should be the concern of the people: liberté, egalité, fraternité! Americans followed suit and declared independency - and their charter was a truly socialist one "...all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Socialism, right there. And it proved to be the foundation of a nation that - at least in their own perception - is one of the most, if not THE most powerful, free, rich etc. nations in the world. Ths United States Socialist Republic, actually.

Your problem is mainly a logistical problem: you have been poisoned with the lies of what you percieve as the rich and powerful. Like the French King would allow his court and his servants to be more wealthy than most of the people, as long as you did exactly what He wanted - they will lure you into thinking that you are better than others too - and pay you a fee to believe this.

Like the French stood up against the tyranny of their King and installed a socialist nation, the Russians stood up against their Czar - and installed a socialist nation. But where the French more or less maintained their socialist state even until today - the Russians failed to maintain their socialist state and eventually fell back to the old situation, in which a few men dictated what others had to do. That's not socialism: that's tyranny. But a tyranny that maintained just enough socialist treats to serve them well enough to become the 2nd world power.

Socialism simply means that society should be governed for the benefit of all the people in it, not for the benefit of any minority. You may want to read John Locke’s Second Treatise on Government - a truly socialist paper - as is the foundation of the American political system. You have been socialists since 1776. But since the McCarthy period, you are shunned away from it - the cold war is long over, but Americans are still in it, with many indoctrinated to believe that the essential values of Socialism - liberty, equality, brotherhood, dignity, solidarity - are wrong. Of course they aren't, even a child understands this, I can't see clothes on the naked emperor.

They lured you into a dance around a calf. And you're dancing, allright - hail the banker, hail money, hail wealth - like the servant, you're serving your master well...

posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 09:38 AM
So far i read a lot of negative feedback on this issue. I, like most, love capitalism in that i believe inventors, writers, song writers, artists of all stripes should be compensated with wealth if their product reaches a large percentage of consumers. People like Steve Jobs and or Bill Gates deserve wealth. However, do they deserve such wealth to dictate policy over govt? I think not. Personally, i think the elite either by the individual or class of wealth should never make policies that affect others negatively. Or to have sway over govt. officials to stand between citizens and their rights.

It's apparent they elite has too much power over the lives of Americans. Wall St. Bankers and power brokers has used our nation as a means to corrupt our leaders and force citizens into slavery. This is not an opinion, it is fact. the academics are well aware these forces and their roots in human conflicts (wars) to keep their status over others. They "need" enemies to maintain their status. They stifle new technology that would make man independent. Or they create shortages in vital natural resources and services for their own end. Countries come and go but the elite manages the final outcome. And whats is becoming so obvious is the fact they can never have enough.

With a world population reaching eight billion, the earth is being raped. It's either a matter of eliminating a vast percentage of human life or adapting to new tech. and management. It's obvious to me that man will have to make drastic decisions in one way or another. I also believe allowing the elite to make such decisions through force would be horrific.

Your question is valid. The grip the elite has over the masses is becoming severe. We are seeing America's decline. The erosion of the middle class and obscene wealth to the 1.0% is creating cracks in the core of the nation. We are seeing a fascist marriage between large corporations and govt. Also, this is a global problem that is not by coincidence. It is what Pappy Bush envisioned in his speeches of the "New World Order."

These are just a few of the problems we face today. We've spent many years debating the issues but the 800 lb. gorilla in the living room can no longer be ignored. It also has everything to do with your question.

With the issues set aside, lets look at the question at its base. To me, it's apparent there is three groups of people. There is the elite who are quick to denounce socialism as a result of fear of losing their wealth and power, then the group who thinks that although their existence is meager, it's better than most and therefore hold allegiance to the elite, and finally there is a group who thinks for themselves along with like-wise people waking up everyday with enough wits to say...We love capitalism but in areas of human necessities it's time to think of the collective and look for answers from non-profit organizations and coops. It's a matter of management. It's also a matter of setting aside silly notions that only gets in the way of progress and decide the outcome on a collective basis.

posted on Jan, 14 2016 @ 10:17 AM
a reply to: ForteanOrg

Socialism simply means that society should be governed for the benefit of all the people in it, not for the benefit of any minority. You may want to read John Locke’s Second Treatise on Government - a truly socialist paper - as is the foundation of the American political system. You have been socialists since 1776. But since the McCarthy period, you are shunned away from it - the cold war is long over, but Americans are still in it, with many indoctrinated to believe that the essential values of Socialism - liberty, equality, brotherhood, dignity, solidarity - are wrong. Of course they aren't, even a child understands this, I can't see clothes on the naked emperor.

Bravo! Thank you!!! I was going to make this point myself, but you did it so well that I will simply quote you. It deserves to be said again... and again... and again.

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