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Why Bernie Sanders Has Excellent Chance of Winning Now

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posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 11:46 AM
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a reply to: Spider879

Bernie would be farther ahead if the media stopped brown nosing trump and hillary.

I like the new evidence showing that cruz's mom voted in canadian elections just prior to cruz being born. Which would mean that his mom swore allegiance to canada. Which points to cruz Not being a natural born citizen of the states




posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 11:55 AM
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originally posted by: snypwsd
a reply to: Spider879

Bernie would be farther ahead if the media stopped brown nosing trump and hillary.

I like the new evidence showing that cruz's mom voted in canadian elections just prior to cruz being born. Which would mean that his mom swore allegiance to canada. Which points to cruz Not being a natural born citizen of the states


The same principles of scrutiny are suddenly abondoned within eight years, a.k.a., where are all of the birthers, now?

If Bernie is a tool and is so great for the Elites, why is he not being glamorized across national media like Trump and Hilary are?

Or, is that too, an element involved in this "grand conspiracy of Sanders being in with the Elites?"

Since he is a "Communist," and a "Career politician," how come no one else - the ought his entire history in politics - has thoroughly called him out/denounced him for being a Facist Dictator/Communist - that so many on ATS seem to blabber on about?

Since he is a career politician, a communist, and is in it with the elites, uh - why is he just now running for President? Why isn't - he being a Commie elitist now, involved with the Fed in some sort - after all, he's "in with the elite," and "it's all a sham," so it shouldn't be that difficult to just "slide," him into position, right?

Yet another element involved in this grand conspiracy? Lol.



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 12:05 PM
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originally posted by: RomeByFire
If Bernie is a tool and is so great for the Elites, why is he not being glamorized across national media like Trump and Hilary are?

Or, is that too, an element involved in this "grand conspiracy of Sanders being in with the Elites?"


Bernie doesn't need the press with Hillary's negative press dominating the headlines.

He'll emerge the nominee as the grassroots underdog without ever having to sling mud and get his hands dirty.

That's gold.

You better believe the parties & politicians have put a lot of thought into strategy. Call it a 'conspiracy' if you want but it's true. There's a lot at stake.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that democrats would put all their money on Hillary with her supposedly 'unpredictable' email scandal that has dragged on and on.



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 12:13 PM
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a reply to: Spider879

It's all good... Bern, Baby, Bern! I've been reserved about his possibilities and his 'electability', but he's looking mighty good! Can the people actually pull this off? I love to HOPE so...



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 12:31 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Mmmmm, no......Clintoon has the Super Delegates sewed up. Even if Bernie were to win more than 50% of the primary delegates, they'd throw it into a brokered convention and after the first vote, on the second round, the primary delegates are no longer bound to the candidate that won in their primary; they'll be pressured to go over to Clintoon.

Most of the analysts I follow are, (at the moment, it can all change) are predicting both parties will go into brokered conventions and see it as Clintoon and Cruz. Clintoon beats Cruz, game, set, match. So we get another 8 years of Obama.

Not really that bad a deal because Clintoon will again lead from behind and the US will further walk away from World Cop position. The Council of Foreign relations will probably stroke out and explode. (That would be fun to watch!)



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 12:36 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: RomeByFire
If Bernie is a tool and is so great for the Elites, why is he not being glamorized across national media like Trump and Hilary are?

Or, is that too, an element involved in this "grand conspiracy of Sanders being in with the Elites?"


Bernie doesn't need the press with Hillary's negative press dominating the headlines.

He'll emerge the nominee as the grassroots underdog without ever having to sling mud and get his hands dirty.

That's gold.

You better believe the parties & politicians have put a lot of thought into strategy. Call it a 'conspiracy' if you want but it's true. There's a lot at stake.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that democrats would put all their money on Hillary with her supposedly 'unpredictable' email scandal that has dragged on and on.


Oh Hilary. Let's leave the Wicked Witch in the West - and by West, I mean whatever planet the Reptoid originates from.

I find it impossible to believe that she has any supporters, to be honest. I have yet to meet an actual living and breathing human being that supports Hilary. The media tells another story, everyone loves Hilary - according to the media.

I'm all for a good conspiracy, and taking into account Zbigniew Brezenski's (a true elite, "in the know," in my opinion) speech in Montreal 2010, "for the first time in human history, mankind is politically awake," I have absolutely pondered on whether or not Bernie is some sort of tool by TPTB in order to - once again, recapture the false dichotomy of partisan-politics, election systems that aren't rigged, election systems that aren't auctions, to instill the notion of freedom in politics that is heavily being questioned today - and it seems reasonable.

TPTB orchestrated the Bolshevik Revolution, and there are conspiracies regarding what the American Revolution was truly about - me, personally? I can't afford to think like that, anymore - as you said, too much as at stake.

I just try - with the available information at hand - using my own brand of scrutiny and skepticism, to attempt to come to what I personally see as the best possible solution - not only for my lifetime - but for America as a whole.

This led me to Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, and then Bernie Sanders emerged... and the timing was impeccable. I could be absolutely wrong, and hopefully I am - but let's say that Bernie is indeed some sort of plant, well, honestly?

Well played. As you said, that's gold. That's sheer brilliance, and I wouldn't expect TPTB to be anything but.

However - why are these allegations being solely applied to Bernie? Trump could very well be a plant, and considering his egotistical/pompous nature, he's much more of an elitist than Bernie is - but I digress, for Trump is "anti-establishment."

Imagine if before running for president, Bernie Sanders donated millions to the Clinton Foundation. He'd undoubtedly be branded a plant for Hilary - he already he is by some - yet Trump has done just this, and it is widely defended as being tactful and strategic?

The logical consistency here is what troubles me, and is what makes me question the claims of Bernie "being a plant," of some sort.

I don't personally follow partisan-politics, I see the whole of "Republicans/Democrats as no different," it is ironic - for the most part, most presidents continue the legislation enacted by previous administrations - many of the legislation being unconsitiutional such as domestic-spying, yet regardless of political affiliation - they still continue and uphold these legislations.

If Bernie is some sort of plant (the same was said about Ron Paul), then I wouldn't worry.

After all, he stands no chance, right? It's all about Trump and Hilary, right? I'd rather have a shill Sanders over a shill Trump or shill Hilary any day.

At least with shill Sanders, one won't find themselves in twenty thousand dollars of debt after two years at a public university, with a degree that can net one with a job that still pays underneath the poverty-level. At least with shill Sanders, people can practice their religion without having the iron-fist of an authoritarian wannabe nitpicking at them. At least with shill Sanders, we won't be constructing a wall to keep Mexicans out that Mexicans have to pay for (still are missing the facts of immigration through other borders/airplanes).

Honestly, I probably won't vote - I really don't support anyone. The lesser of evil, is still evil.



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 12:41 PM
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I would like Bernie to win simply for not having gender brought up at all as a contributing factor, or race. I want a policy talk and no distractions from the low brows on why you should or shouldn't based on bits or shades.

I am still not excited at all for any single candidate on any side...seriously. like tens of millions of eligible potential candidates and this is the best we got?

I miss 2008 where it felt no matter who won, a pretty decent person was going to end up in the white house...even arguably 2012 when Rmoney was making a run and failed...he almost felt like he could do a pretty decent job (for a establishment righty)

Trump v Clinton...Trump V Sanders.
eesh



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: RomeByFire

We're actually pretty much on the same page. I probably won't vote either...I've been disenfranchised by the two parties for far too long.

I do think Trump is a plant though and always have...actually since early 2011.

And the stunt he pulled with backdating his GOP loylty pledge leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

If you're interested, I wrote a blog post on that here: Link

(ETA: I've gone back and forth on Bernie. I actually supported him for awhile when it seemed Hillary's enormous polling numbers weren;t going to waver.

But my original inclination was to assume the Establishment would back the person with the largest spending plan. That is Bernie. I like what he has to say, I just don't believe Congress will invest the money without stealing it.)


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posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 01:00 PM
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a reply to: TonyS

Yea, that's why I said I wasn't convinced yet.



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 01:03 PM
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originally posted by: Bennyzilla
a reply to: Spider879

Sorry but the only thing Bernie's got is dementia if he thinks the majority is just going to accept that his HOPE and CHANGE is any different than what we've been given the past 8 years.




That's not quite accurate. If you're going down that path you should have said. "Sorry the only thing about every candidate on the democrat AND republican side has dementia, including Cruz, Hillary , Trump, Carson , O'Malley, Fiorina, Rubio and Bush if they think the Majority is just going to accept everyones hope and change is any different than the last 16 years.

Yes?



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 01:05 PM
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originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: Bennyzilla
a reply to: Spider879

Sorry but the only thing Bernie's got is dementia if he thinks the majority is just going to accept that his HOPE and CHANGE is any different than what we've been given the past 8 years.




That's not quite accurate. If you're going down that path you should have said. "Sorry the only thing about every candidate on the democrat AND republican side has dementia, including Cruz, Hillary , Trump, Carson , O'Malley, Fiorina, Rubio and Bush if they think the Majority is just going to accept everyones hope and change is any different than the last 16 years.

Yes?





posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 01:45 PM
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The GOP wants to run against Bernie where they have a better chance of winning. I think they were trying to stall the servergate investigations and maybe spring an indictment on Hilary AFTER she was the nominee but if they can't do that because of the acceleration of the investigations, they can help Sanders get nominated.
I had predicted a Biden-Warren ticket but Joe decided not to run and would have to be drafted at the convention for that to happen. If Hilary is out, Sanders will be the GOP's preferred opponent. They will point out his age, socialistic tendencies, and likely increased taxes under his regime. The GOP only need Trump as a hitman and will eventually use him as an example of extremism that will make whomever they select look better when compared to The Donald. So they select a more moderate GOP candidate and a like-minded VP and off we go. They need crossover votes, which they will get from moderates. They shouldn't worry about pandering to the religious right or tea party because they will never vote for Bernie, anyway. Bernie will be seen as far left and will lose moderates of both parties.
This all presumes that the GOP, the stupidest political party in memory, will suddenly get smart and figure out how to get elected by not polarizing the electorate with their inability to negotiate and work toward the good of the country, for a change. The GOP will continue to give lip service to the anti-abortion folks so that they can keep the religious right. They will play this card forever knowing that they can't reverse Roe v. Wade and hoping that no one notices that they were in power for a majority of the years since then and did....nothing. It is a good vote getter for them so they would not want to reverse it. What I expect is that they will again miscalculate and let the dolts of dubious political smarts make decisions for them like those that gave us Palin the Imbecile and Ryan the Maniac or attacked Obamacare, the offshoot of Romneycare, devised by their own candidate. Political Stupid is hard to overcome and the GOP have cornered the market.
If Trump runs as an independent, he will greatly increase the chances of a Dem win [q.v., Ross Perot] so they will have to promise him a seat at the big table. Maybe Commerce Secretary [definitely not Defense] will entice him to step away and endorse the GOP runners. A plank will have to appear to include a moderate version of his ideas to mollify his egomania.



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 02:15 PM
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I was kind of figuring that, people ask questions such as, "Who would be the best president," and I'm asking myself, "Is Bernie what he says/appears to be, is there something more going on here?"

I, too, like Bernie - which, in my own "brand," of scrutiny and skepticism sets off a few alarms. I was full-fledged (full retard), "FeeltheBern," but then I took a big step back and thought to myself, "Why am I suddenly so supportive of something I've never trusted and weary of," and for now, I still am standing back.

I could never support Trump, I do not see him as a rolemodel, nor as a decent man. I find him to be incredibly egotistical and pompous; "Subconsciously or consciously, all the Woman on The Apprenctince flirted with me," calls himself a genius, boats to no end about his business, how he's so good at this and that. He's not calm, collected, reserved, respectful, honest - he has no integrity, and in my opinion, is a proverbial hammer - everything looks like a nail.

And some may argue, but America is not a business. It is a vast country, filled with millions of different people - with different cultures, values, beliefs, dreams, hopes, fears, etc etc - and I just do not see Trump as being someone that understands this, and cares for the "whole," even if they abide by a different set of Princess/dragontales, if they have a different skin color - it's brazenly clear in his words and actions that he is not a very open-minded individual.

Trump is eerily reminiscent of a boy with too much power, and too big a fist. To see a clear image of how "dissidents," - or anyone who doesn't agree/support Trump - are treated, simply look at the NUMEROUS videos of people being removed/ejected from his rallies.

If he were to become President, how would he handle dissidence, and disobedience? Does anyone honestly want to say that man become the Commander in Chief for the one of the World's largest and superior military force?

I believe Trump is running for President, for one, sole reason - because he's a megalomaniac. He wants the power, the title - for his names to be in the headlines, for people to support and chant his name, he's a businessman - and for him, this is business. Not business for the average American, not for us "mere peons,' but for him, his family, and the establishment that he's been involved with since Bill was in office.

As for Hilary, just please - no. Please. That woman has already done enough that, again, would land us "mere peons,' in a Federal prison - yet she's a presidential candidate. Just please... no. However, I find it to be no coincidence that the Clinton's and Trump are close friends, and Trump has contributed to their foundation. People say he is, "working against the establishment," or "not a part of it," I believe he always has been, and now - with the laughing-stock of candidates we have, it was nigh time for Trump to come out of the woodworks to absorb many of the other candidates supporters. To what end, I ask myself? I believe Trump and Hilary are both exerting themselves to the same end, their methods may appear to be different, but I see them as two peas in the same pod, a perfect revitalization of the "Democrat/Republican," partisan-paradigm.

And in my tale, Bernie Sanders would be an ideal "last choice option," for TPTB if the numbers shift away from Trump/Hilary towards Bernie, as he would appear to not be, but would still be a sort of "controlled opposition."

But again - I could be absolutely wrong, and unlike many (Republican) members on ATS, I have no quarrel with admitting that I could be wrong. I do not stand behind my idol, messiah, "my guy," and defend him to the teeth against all odds.

I undoubtedly have my concerns regarding Bernie, but also - many, many people espoused the same beliefs regarding Dr. Ron Paul. Imagine - if you will, how much different our nation would be in 2016, if we had a Paul presidency over Obummer.

As I said, I probably won't be voting this year, but I have to at least give the benefit of the doubt to Bernie Sanders. At the very least, he hasn't been involved in scandals resulting in FBI investigations, his policies are more precise, detailed, and realistic as opposed to "I will build a Great Wall," and - he doesn't want to date his daughter.

If Bernie Sanders is nothing more than an illusion, a piece of controlled-opposition perpetuated by TPTB - which certainly could be the case - I honestly have to say, well played.

Very, very, well played. If this is true, it just further reaffirms my belief that America truly is the land of deception, and that there is a massive ongoing effort in order to deliberately confuse and puzzle the American people.



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 02:17 PM
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originally posted by: pteridine
The GOP wants to run against Bernie where they have a better chance of winning.


Bernie has consistently polled better against republicans than Hillary.



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 02:21 PM
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The electoral collage is locked for the Democrats. Unless something spectacular happens, whoever the Democrat candidate is will be our next POTUS.



As Republicans gear up to “take back the White House” we all need to be aware that in 2012 if Romney had won the three swing states of Ohio, Florida and Virginia, he still would have lost the election to President Obama.


It becomes a lot more clear:




After totaling the electoral votes in all the solid blue states, it becomes apparent that even a below average Democrat presidential candidate could begin the race with a whopping 246 advantage.

Let me repeat, if only for the shock value – 246 votes out of 270 is 91 percent. That means the Democrat candidate needs to win only 24 more votes out of the remaining 292. (There are a total of 538 electoral votes.)

No wonder President Obama was so confident of victory in 2012 for he knew the game was practically over before it began.

In case you need reminding, the final Electoral College score was a lopsided 332 – 206.

RedState.com

And that's from RedState, a known and respected conservative website/news site.

You can't break the laws of physics, and in 4 years the demographics have shifted even MORE in favor of the Democrats. The GOP can't win the White House this time, so whoever gets the Democrat nomination is our next POTUS.

And you can complain about the electoral collage all day, but I don't see it changing any time soon. There are in fact some decent arguments for it even existing.

The real race that everyone is ignoring, the one we all should be watching is the Democratic party primary.
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posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 02:22 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom

The real race that everyone is ignoring, the one we all should be watching is the Democratic party primary.


I agree. That's the real race of who is going to be the next President.



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 02:22 PM
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this is a wet dream for the GOP if Bernie gets nominated...he won't by the way...it's been decades now that who they vote for in Iowa and new Hampshire, is relevant to the rest of the countries voting habits...these 2 states are like practicing something only in front of your sister...you get a response, but not necessarily the one that is correct.



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 02:28 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom

The real race that everyone is ignoring, the one we all should be watching is the Democratic party primary.


Believe me, I've known that since the stumping began.

The media hasn't spent the last eight years grooming us for another democrat for nothing. TPTB aren't letting all that hard work go to waste now by letting a conservative win.

Or that seems to be the proof in the pudding.



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 02:31 PM
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Sorry, but the the establishment will not allow Bernie to get nominated if he is genuinely against Oligopolies and for the consumers (masses)?

He is the Ron Paul of the Democrat party.

The DNC , GOP, and the MSM will get together to make sure he doesn't get elected and be viewed as an extremist.

Unfortunately, the Wicked InsertLetterHereitch is the DNC candidate.

Wish it wasn't likely to happen, but history indicates if you are not a establishment cookie mold you get no endorsement.

I hope he and the Crazy trump run on a third party platform. That could be a big threat to the establishment that could break the 2 party mold. At a great consequence ofcourse as it could mean that trump would end up getting elected.




posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: RomeByFire
I believe Trump is running for President, for one, sole reason - because he's a megalomaniac. He wants the power, the title - for his names to be in the headlines, for people to support and chant his name, he's a businessman - and for him, this is business. Not business for the average American, not for us "mere peons,' but for him, his family, and the establishment that he's been involved with since Bill was in office.


Trump has wasted his time floating a serious run before (in 2000) only to leave the Reform Party in a complete shambles -- much like he has done with the GOP. I am sure that had a profound effect on Bush's win in Florida by only 537 votes.

There is one thing that Trump loves more than power...money. I am sure he stands to make plenty doing political favors...if he is up to no good. And I think he is.



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