Finally home! Ok let's get to it shall we?
Awesome answers from most. All opinions welcome here and most folks put more than two words into it...
I realize that it likely isn't one single event/presidency/etc that made things bad (again...IF you believe things are bad) but great answers
a reply to: theMediator
It's funny that this was the first answer as I am nearing 65% now of the book....I read through some more while waiting for work to close....really
slow day...So my version of the current book is Woodrow Wilson by John Milton Cooper, Jr.
Again...being new to reading about political history, I can't run and say "well I have a strong critique on so-and-so's works" as I have read two WWII
books, 1 WWI and 3 and a half bio's...so I am not exactly well versed. What I will say is that I like a few of his early moves (more to the
point...promises) and the fact that he had some ability to stick it to Congress. The problem I have solely based on the book is that Cooper is clearly
painting a light and rather heroic version of WW. Clearly he has issues with race and other things, but at the same time, when Wilson would do
something rather anti-intellectual, it seems like this author is barely glossing over it and then immediately returning to how great he was. I know
it's impossible to get a truly unbiased version of...well anything...but I almost feel like this is a case of "thou dost protest (too little)."
He definitely struck heavy chords with labor and agriculture but the more and more I look at my own liberalism, I see that while agree with many core
tenets, it becomes pretty crystal clear if I remove my blinders that regulation is good....in moderation. Well before, and during WWI, I remember
reading one specific part of a chapter describing opening a crapload of new government regulation agencies, up to and including the Fed Reserve. Now,
again appreciating the liberal sentiment of justice (true justice) for all, I see two whoppers of a problem with Wilson. First, he really wasn't that
hardcore into justice. Barely made a move on women's suffrage, didn't care much for Jewish people, and despite telling the world he was anti-machine,
he made very machine-like moves to nab support from labor-specific populations. That aside, second, was the nonstop new agencies. What disturbs me the
most, agency wise, was reading about the Committee on Public Information where he legitimately had what I think are disinfo agents (depending on your
bend and take of the war). People ready to go on cue to interrupt rallies and anti-war protests...people ready to make speeches on how America was
fulfilling its duty, etc. That seems terribly distrustful of the pubic he was supposed to represent. Not to mention the draft which he left out of
intro speeches then dropped on folks and said..."so yeah...America!"
Again, not a hardcore history buff so I have a ton to learn...but I am starting to feel that while I do wholeheartedly agree that regulation is
needed...it's going and gone way too far. Thanks for the response.
I really need to learn to multi-tag...seriously....
I can't deny that I my 2008 vote was squandered a bit. Frankly I didn't believe the other party in either election was better. I like social
progress...but I know a lot of folks mention the economy but also mention the constant cycle of Executive Actions. You feel the same about that?
I am still forming opinions. I've always recalled in very young elementary school the lesson of Lincoln was simple. He took on the war to free the
slaves. Then you move up a few grades and they add on, he wanted to preserve the union. But my question would be (totally unbiased on my part) do you
feel states should be able to leave whenever they want? Do you see any cons to allowing such a thing? Thanks!
I've heard this from non-ATS discussions as well. A war that we had no business in. Oddly enough, back to Woodrow Wilson, the quote and meaning of "a
world safe for democracy" seems pushy perhaps. Almost in the same light as our pumping out thousands on nuclear and thermonuclear warheads and telling
everyone else "hands off please." Do you feel Kennedy had any good in his years in the WH?
Interesting take. It seems very contradictory...though I may be projecting on you. You say the concept of USA on the decline is false. I think that is
a perfectly valid opinion especially considering some CT's have on occasion bit into the slightest idea of what they think is "evidence" and rode it
despite being shown differently. However, then you confirm and accept the pain of 18 trillion in debt and rampant corruption. So may I ask what would
happen to this country to make you call out that we are in decline? Thanks!
Thanks for the good, fair comment. I will likely make Truman and FDR my next (to continue my war streak). I have to agree that despite foreign
affairs, we need to work on what is inside these borders first. I liken it to the whole idea of a romantic relationship. If you aren't confident,
strong and independent on your own, you are likely not going to be enough for a partner. I'll also look up the Lies... book as well.
Absolutely will check that out. I love you idea of viewing someone through a completely external lens. Thank you!
Do you feel a concept like a New Order is desperately needed or a terrible idea? Thanks!
Thanks for the extra info on the Civil War and after effects. Not sure I ever though about the transition to corporation following those deadly years.
Do you also feel that further regulation through government has in effect, strengthened the 'corporation?' Thanks!
I thank you for the 'response' but I was hoping (as per my request) to get more than a hit and run answer. What of FDR do you think really knocked us
Thanks! good response to think about. I have to ask, if you were to rank the post JFK presidents, who would be the best in your opinion?
Thanks for joining. But as above, can you elaborate? Obviously you don't owe me a thing and I know I can google, but frankly I was setting this up
more so to ask, why as opposed to just a simple "who" answer. Thanks!
see above...can you offer more? Even if it's biased, I will take it
Awesome response! I am absolutely going to break into that era and what you posted. Thank you!
I am working on being honest. At first I was bothered by your response. I took a moment to sit back and get over myself and I like what you say. I
suppose I could have really re-written one part to say what/when/etc was the beginning of decline. Fair point to you and thank you!
Thank you! I need more read up on QE but I noticed here and other places outside of ATS, a common thread was that the Fed did a lot more damage then
good. So is your overall sentiment that we have wants and needs as a people but have generally been tied to a log and unable to achieve?