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Is Islamic State 'Gog' of Gog and Magog?

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posted on Jan, 10 2016 @ 07:25 PM
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Via a route of British History (Geoffrey of Monmouth book from the 1100's) and his story of the creation of the United Kingdom
(see www.amazon.co.uk...=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1452474448&sr=1-1&keywords=geoffrey+of+monmouth) I came across the story of Corneas who had a mythical battle with a giant called Gogmamog (see en.wikipedia.org...(giant)) which was meant to have been confused with Gog and Magog.

Reading Gog and Magog I came across this:



In our study today, let’s look at what the prophet Ezekiel says will happen to the enemies of Israel when the War of Gog and Magog concludes, and what happens with Israel and the Jewish people, as well.

As the forces of the Russian dictator (Gog) and his military coalition — including Iran (Persia), Libya & Algeria (Put), Sudan (Cush), Turkey (Gomer), and other Islamic nations (Beth Togarmah) — converges against the State of Israel in the “last days,” the Hebrew Prophet Ezekiel tells us that at the last moment when there seems to be know hope for Israeli Jews, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is going to supernaturally intervene and come to the rescue.
Consider Ezekiel 38:18-19. “‘It will come about on that day, when Gog comes against the land of Israel,’ declares the Lord God, ‘that My fury will mount up in My anger. In My zeal and in My blazing wrath I declare that on that day there will surely be a great earthquake in the land of Israel.”
Ezekiel tells us that this earthquake will shake the entire globe and “all the men who are on the face of the earth will shake at My presence” (38:20).
The enemy forces will become so frightened and disoriented during this massive earthquake that they will turn and starting fighting each other (38:21).
Terrible diseases (pestilence) will start to spread through the enemy forces (38:21).
As God judges these enemies of Israel, Ezekiel explains that the Lord “will rain on him [Gog] and on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, a torrential rain, with hailstones, fire, and brimstone.” (38:22)
In a scene evocative of a Hollywood blockbuster, fire from heaven will fall on the enemies of Israel, consumes and destroying them in divine judgment.
The Lord also says “I will send fire upon Magog and those who inhabit the coast lands in safety.” (39:6) In other words, parts of Russia and other enemy countries will be devastated supernaturally by fire from heaven.
The Bible does not tell us exactly how this will happen, but it clearly describes a supernatural judgment. This does not appear in the text to be a war started by the Israeli Defense Forces. These do not appear to be missiles from the Israeli Air Force. There no evidence in the text of Israeli military forces on the move and defending themselves and their nation. Perhaps Israeli leaders at that point are engaged in diplomacy, trying to persuade the Russian leader to stand down and back off. Perhaps Israeli leaders at that time are hoping for the U.S. or the U.N. other nations to intervene diplomatically or even militarily to protect them. Whatever the case, the text does not provide clear evidence of the Israeli military going into action to protect their country and defeat their enemies. Rather, the text indicates that the God of Israel steps in and defends Israel Himself, raining fire and brimstone down on the enemy forces and utterly destroying them — and doing so at the very last possible moment, when all hope appears to have been lost.
Why does God act to protect the nation of Israel and defeat Israel’s enemies? The Lord tells us directly in Ezekiel 38:22-23 — to bring judgment and to reveal Himself and His power and glory to Israel and the nations. “With pestilence and with blood I will enter into judgment with him [Gog]….I will magnify Myself, sanctify Myself, and make Myself known in the sight of many nations; and they will know that I am the Lord.”
As we head deeper into the “last days” (Ezekiel 38:16) and the Second Coming of Christ, many nations — and perhaps all nations — will have forgotten or refused to believe what the Bible teaches, that God does, in fact, love the Jewish people very much. The Lord God of the Bible does love the nation of Israel. The Jewish people are by no means perfect. Yet the Bible states that God loves them still and has made promises to them and that the Lord intends to keep those promises. Indeed, the Lord God wants Israel to know that He exists and is All-Powerful and that He loves His Chosen People, and He wants the rest of the world to know that He exists and is All-Powerful and that He loves His Chosen People.
The devastation that results from these divine judgments is so horrific that chapter 39 tells us it takes the Israelis seven months to bury all the bodies of the enemy forces (39:12-16).
Ezekiel tells us it would probably take longer than seven months but the birds of the air and the beasts of the field eat many of the bodies (39:17-20)
The prophesies regarding Gog & Magog remind us that sin has consequences. God said in Genesis 12:1-3 that those who bless the children of Abraham will be blessed, but those who curse them will be cursed. God is patient. He is slow to anger. But when pushed too far, He will act against those who hate the Jewish people and seek to rob, kill and destroy them. Let the nations be warned.
There is more to the story, however. Not only will the “War of Gog and Magog” be a day of great judgment; it will also be a day of great mercy. The Bible says that the militaries of these enemies will be destroyed. There are hints here and in other texts (Jeremiah 49, for example) that the governments of these countries will be judged, as well. But God is not going to wipe out all the people of these enemy countries. To the contrary, He wants them to see His glory and His mercy. Ezekiel 39:21 — “I will set My glory among the nations; and all the nations will see My judgment which I have executed and My hand which I have laid on them.”
Consider that verse carefully. The text says that “all” the nations will “see” God’s glory and judgment. Today, we are living in the first generation in human history where because of the miracle of global satellite television technology people in every country on the planet will be able to watch the prophecies of the Bible come true before their very eyes. When the Russian-Iranian alliance converges against Israel, the world will be able to see it happen on television. When fire falls from heaven on the enemy forces, the world will be able to watch it on television. Anyone in any nation that has a television will be able to see the mighty hand of God reaching into human history to bring about divine judgment on Israel’s enemies and divine mercy on Israel’s people, both Jews and Arabs. It will a dramatic moment, and “all the nations” will “see” God’s glory and power.
As a result, I believe Ezekiel 38-39 describes the end of Radical and Apocalyptic Islam — and effectively the end of all of Islam — as we have known it. After all, when the God of Israel destroys these Islamic and Russian military forces supernaturally while Muslims watch live on Al Jazeera and other networks, how will Muslims wake up the day after and believe that the Qur’an is the true word of God and that Muhammad is a true prophet? As a result of the War of Gog & Magog, the vast majority of Muslims will abandon Islam.




posted on Jan, 10 2016 @ 07:28 PM
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Some say this war will be before the Millenial Rule and others say it could be after that 1,000 year time frame. There are sound interpretive arguments to look at it either way.



posted on Jan, 10 2016 @ 07:30 PM
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The above quote in my first post was taken from this website flashtrafficblog.wordpress.com... e-answer-part-three/

Yet everywhere I read online, it assumes 'Gog' is Russia as it was the only large country that could unite these muslim countries together against israel - yet now Islamic State exists.

What do the readers of AboveTopSecret think? If I'm off track please let me know, but the reasons why.
The original website linked above breaks down the story and relates 'gog' to russia but


(Gog) and his military coalition — including Iran (Persia), Libya & Algeria (Put), Sudan (Cush), Turkey (Gomer), and other Islamic nations (Beth Togarmah) —
sounds much more ISIS than Russia.


For the ancient astronaut theorists there is an interesting line here:


As God judges these enemies of Israel, Ezekiel explains that the Lord “will rain on him [Gog] and on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, a torrential rain, with hailstones, fire, and brimstone.” (38:22)
In a scene evocative of a Hollywood blockbuster, fire from heaven will fall on the enemies of Israel, consumes and destroying them in divine judgment.
The Lord also says “I will send fire upon Magog and those who inhabit the coast lands in safety.” (39:6) In other words, parts of Russia and other enemy countries will be devastated supernaturally by fire from heaven.

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posted on Jan, 10 2016 @ 07:32 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
Some say this war will be before the Millenial Rule and others say it could be after that 1,000 year time frame. There are sound interpretive arguments to look at it either way.


What's the Millenial Rule?

(my religious knowledge around this subject is limited).



posted on Jan, 10 2016 @ 08:03 PM
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a reply to: Loopdaloop

I follow these things as a sort of hobby.

There is a school of thought that the Gog/Magog war comes before the events in Revelation or are an early part of it. These events conclude with the 2nd coming of Christ which usher in his 1,000 reign of peace on earth at the end of which there seems to be another brief battle with the forces of evil before everything is completely and totally destroyed, including evil, forever and a new heaven and earth is made for those remaining.

There is another school of thought that Gog/Magog may be that final conflict at the end of the Millenial Reign, hence why we do not recognize Gog or Magog as anywhere on earth among other reasons. There are better reasons.

But, if you go with the idea that Gog/Magog is coming early in the End Times, then usually Russia is one of the main players, and with Russia in the ME right now, active in Syria, it could make someone nervous. I am looking for the destruction of Damascus as a much more likely to occur indicator at present if we are, in fact, entering into that time.



posted on Jan, 10 2016 @ 08:07 PM
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a reply to: Loopdaloop

Chris White has a good essay on the Biblical Gog Magog issue . In the vid he does address what the 3 different religions have to say but does go into the bible to understand what it actually says .



posted on Jan, 10 2016 @ 08:09 PM
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originally posted by: Loopdaloop

originally posted by: ketsuko
Some say this war will be before the Millenial Rule and others say it could be after that 1,000 year time frame. There are sound interpretive arguments to look at it either way.


What's the Millenial Rule?

(my religious knowledge around this subject is limited).


It's from Revelation 20


The Thousand Years
20 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.



posted on Jan, 10 2016 @ 08:25 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
Some say this war will be before the Millenial Rule and others say it could be after that 1,000 year time frame. There are sound interpretive arguments to look at it either way.


I'm just curious: why do some believe the war will be after the "Second Coming"? I read the bible because it is fascinating and, from a narrative perspective, Revelation seems pretty straight forward with the order of the war at Armageddon and the Millennial Rule.

Also, what motivates certain schools of thoughts when they take rather plain biblical concepts and try to find ways to reinterpret it? In this case, is there a vested interest these people may have in a post Millennial Rule battle?



posted on Jan, 10 2016 @ 08:57 PM
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a reply to: Loopdaloop

There is one muslim scholar, Imran Hussein, who talks a lot about gog, magog and such
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posted on Jan, 10 2016 @ 11:17 PM
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a reply to: Loopdaloop

No, the bible was written by the few literate rich people who could afford education in ancient society and is not indicative of anything.



posted on Jan, 11 2016 @ 12:08 AM
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It is written that the last war will start where the Euphrates river starts .Check that out and compare it to modern events. Most of the battles will take place where the Euphrates river converges with 2 more. (sorry the names escape me at the moment ,it may be the Tigris and the 3rd is an old forgotten dried up waterway).



posted on Jan, 11 2016 @ 12:10 AM
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originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: ketsuko
Some say this war will be before the Millenial Rule and others say it could be after that 1,000 year time frame. There are sound interpretive arguments to look at it either way.


I'm just curious: why do some believe the war will be after the "Second Coming"? I read the bible because it is fascinating and, from a narrative perspective, Revelation seems pretty straight forward with the order of the war at Armageddon and the Millennial Rule.

Also, what motivates certain schools of thoughts when they take rather plain biblical concepts and try to find ways to reinterpret it? In this case, is there a vested interest these people may have in a post Millennial Rule battle?


Revelation 20:7-10

7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Gog and Magog are involved in wars both before AND after the Millennial Reign of Christ.



posted on Jan, 11 2016 @ 03:12 AM
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originally posted by: SpecialSauce
a reply to: Loopdaloop

No, the bible was written by the few literate rich people who could afford education in ancient society and is not indicative of anything.


Even if everybody agreed that it was a fiction, this discussion would still be taking place. Why? Because it is about a book with a lot of cryptic stuff in it and a pretty epic plot, spanning generations. It could have been written by an insurance salesman in a dope den... that doesn't change the topic in the OP. We have these sorts of discussions about works that are universally established as fiction so there's no reason you can't do the same with the bible.

Come on. If a pagan has to reprimand you for trolling Christians, that's pretty bad.



posted on Jan, 11 2016 @ 06:54 AM
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a reply to: Abysha



Here's one place that gives an answer on it.

Basically, some scholars say that Gog/Magog is clearly different than Armageddon which is the battle at the second coming, and they see that there is a battle at the end of Christ's 1,000 year reign, so they assign it the name of Gog/Magog rather than make it three battles.



posted on Jan, 11 2016 @ 11:29 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Abysha



Here's one place that gives an answer on it.

Basically, some scholars say that Gog/Magog is clearly different than Armageddon which is the battle at the second coming, and they see that there is a battle at the end of Christ's 1,000 year reign, so they assign it the name of Gog/Magog rather than make it three battles.


Thank you, I totally get it now. I think I was doing the same thing but after it was quoted earlier, I get it. I think I was blending them in my mind like you are saying.



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