Originally posted by onlyinmydreams
The destruction of the sacred stone, for them, would be tantamount to a revelation that Allah -- at least as he is presented in the Koran -- does not
Just under 2000 years ago, on the VERY SAME SPOT, there was another temple which was holier than all others, and it housed another artifact which was
holier than all others. The religion which worshipped there caused problems for a superpower, so the superpower destroyed it. The Roman Empire
doesn't exist anymore. Judaism still exists.
I'm not saying for sure that your plan is a bad one, I'm just saying it didn't work last time.
The destruction of said stone would cause a catastrophic crisis of existential proportions among the various terrorist movements.
Probably not. Even if religion weren't an issue, there are a lot of scores to be settled over there. This is like a gang war. It doesn't matter who
started it or who is right. Payback begets payback. There is land, pride, and vengeance to fight over- the religions were just where the problem
The fundamentalist muslim mindset does not factor in things like allegory and symbolism... to it, the world IS a direct expression oif Allah's
presence and will. Should the holy city or sacred stone be destroyed.... that destruction would immediately jar muslims into questioning the truth of
the muslim religion, as it would imply that the world is beyond allah's control
You're assuming that a population with a low level of education and literacy and a strong religious tradition and heirarchy is going to take it upon
themselves as individuals to ask some very deep theological questions instead of getting angry because somebody attacked the thing that matters most
to them. It's a dangerous assumption. What happened to the Jews when they lost the temple? What happen to Christians when they lost Christ? They came
up with an idea as to why God allowed it and they tried to keep following the will of their God.
What about when the twin towers got knocked down. Did we question our system? Did we question our religion? Or did we get seriously pissed off?
Don't dehumanize the enemy- don't think of them as zombies under a mind control drug. These are their beliefs which they are passionate about, which
they place their absolute faith in because in some deeply personal way it has convinced them. You're going to crush that by setting a building on
fire? Good luck.
2.You guys keep assuming that Russia and China will rush to the defense of the muslim world. To the contrary, both nations have always seen islam as
You didn't even read my last post did you? It has nothing to do with defending the muslim world. It's about doing whats best for themselves. The
muslims have the freakin oil. If you upset the balance of power in their nations by creating a religious fervor, you upset the flow of oil. That means
China and Russia have a huge personal interest in restabilizing the region and making sure we don't mess with their economic future anymore.
Wars are fought for material reasons, not ideals. The Chinese and Russians will have a material reason to stand off against us, support our enemies,
and possibly even fight us directly in several different regions and several different ways.
3.In the case of an oil crisis, keep in mind that we have boots on top of many of the major middle eastern oil fields right now. We control Iraq...
at least the oil fields... remember?
No, we don't control Iraq. We have a relatively small force which is designed to put down riots, and if necessary hold off Iran until reinforcements
arrive. If we nuked Mecca we are looking at an Iranian invasion with support from most neighboring nations, perhaps even Turkey. We couldn't just
land reinforcements in Iraq, we'd have to start in Israel or the bottom of the Arabian peninsula and fight our way in. By the time we got there the
entire force in Iraq would be history.
Besides that, Iraq is hardly "many" of the middle east's oil fields. Iran has more, Saudi has more, Kuwait and Qatar are exceptionally rich
especially for their size. Iraq has quite a bit, but its by no means a monopoly, and we couldn't pump oil from there anyway until we had subdued
both sides of the Persian Gulf, or it would just end up at being sunk. We'd need a conquest of Saudi and Iran. Do you think China is gonna stand by
and let us make a monopoly of Middle East oil?
I love America, I am very proud of our long history of beating stronger nations within an inch of their life, but it's precisely that history which
taught me that being a superpower isn't everything. If "heaven and earth" (morale and the situation on the ground) don't favor you, all the
weapons in the world can't bring you victory. So think beyond the issue of national pride and seriously contemplate the whatifs. We're not gonna win
just cause we're the good guys, we have to be shrewd when we consider international affairs. How do you think we got where we are?