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Political Correctness is Going to Destroy US

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posted on Jan, 11 2016 @ 11:19 PM
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originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: Xtrozero


Sucks to pick the wrong side of the war.

Which war would that be, then? The First World War? The Arabs were on the winning side in that one.


All Arabs? The main area in question was once the Ottoman empire who were with Germany.


Ottoman entry into the war was accompanied by a call to jihad by the Grand Mufti in Istanbul to all Muslims across the world.




posted on Jan, 11 2016 @ 11:38 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

They were subjects of the Ottoman Empire, who rebelled with British help (remember Lawrence of Arabia?) and obtained self-government under British ‘protection’. That was when Saudi Arabia, the Trucial States (today known as the United Arab Emirates) and other Arab Gulf states were created. The rest of the Arabs were already ruled by European powers who had seized the lands they lived in from the Ottomans in earlier wars.

Evidently you are not very familiar with Orientalism. Something to think about.



posted on Jan, 11 2016 @ 11:49 PM
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originally posted by: Astyanax

Evidently you are not very familiar with Orientalism. Something to think about.

European powers who had seized the lands they lived in from the Ottomans in earlier wars.


Once again...sucks to be on the wrong side of a war...

I'm not sure of any point your trying to make...... I know what orientalism is, but arabstereotypes.org is not on my reading list, sorry.


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posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 12:18 AM
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a reply to: Xtrozero


I'm not sure of any point your trying to make.

The point I am trying to make is that your statement 'sucks to be...' was not just heartless and flippant, it was also a thousand years out of date. The Arabs had lost all their wars by the tenth century. They did not lose to any European power (except in Spain, los ultimo suspiro del Moro), but to the Turks and the Mongols.


subjectarabstereotypes.org is not on my reading list, sorry.

That is optional. If you claim to have any intelligent views on the subject, however, Edward Said’s book is not.


edit on 12/1/16 by Astyanax because: of the Moor’s Last Sigh.



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 12:37 AM
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originally posted by: Astyanax
The point I am trying to make is that your statement 'sucks to be...' was not just heartless and flippant.


Did the Ottoman Empire lose or what? Was the area broken up into countries (poorly I would say) by the Brits and France, doesn't seem like your Arabs had much choices in the matter.

Pretty much every border was created by a war, people have been changed by wars for 1000s of years, but it seems all of them are seen as just a part of the world well unless it is a war the US was involved in then it was so wrong, so ya I'm tired of people complaining from giving the US back to the Indians, giving Texas back to the Mexicans, destroying the culture of the Middle East and so on...

My point is since cavemen the side that loses typically do not get choices, nothing new.




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posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 12:59 AM
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Pretty much every border was created by a war, people have been changed by wars for 1000s of years

But in the case of your particular statement, there was no war. Western oppression of the Arabs has taken place under the guise of friendship. That is why your statement is wrong.


it seems all of them are seen as just a part of the world well unless it is a war the US was involved in then it was so wrong

I dare say it seems so from the perspective of a nervous white American who sees his privileges under attack but doesn’t know enough history to understand what is happening. However, the perception is quite false. One might put it down to ignorance, wilful provincialism, an unjustified sense of grievance or some combination of the above, according to the case.


I'm tired of people complaining from giving the US back to the Indians, giving Texas back to the Mexicans, destroying the culture of the Middle East and so on.

As Bob Dylan once said to Peter Grant, I don’t come to you with my problems, do I?

Nowhere have I proposed giving any part of the United States back to anybody. There are stupid or anger-crazed people on the extreme left who do say such things; they constitute a tiny, ridiculous minority whom only an idiot or someone with a paranoid right-wing agenda would take seriously. For your information, such complaining has nothing to do with political correctness, which is simply about the avoidance of giving gratuitous offence.

Also for your information: when I lived in the Middle East, I was frequently appalled by Arab cultural attitudes and behaviour. And — whatever you might think — I have nothing against Americans, and quite like the idea of America, at least in theory. But understand this: America now stands at the edge of a precipice, to which it has been edging ever closer since the beginning of the Dubya era. Your country is ripe for a right-wing revanchist revolution or constitutional coup d’état — which, incidentally, is what the election of Donald Trump will amount to, if not directly then certainly after the 2018 midterm elections.

Shortly afterwards, America will have its Second Civil War.

I’m not normally into predictions. But remember, Above Top Secret, you read it here first.


edit on 12/1/16 by Astyanax because: Nostradamus was here.



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 01:20 AM
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originally posted by: Astyanax

Also for your information: when I lived in the Middle East, I was frequently appalled by Arab cultural attitudes and behaviour. And — whatever you might think — I have nothing against Americans, and quite like the idea of America, at least in theory. But understand this: America now stands at the edge of a precipice, to which it has been edging ever closer since the beginning of the Dubya era. Your country is ripe for a right-wing revanchist revolution or constitutional coup d’état — which, incidentally, is what the election of Donald Trump will amount to, if not directly then certainly after the 2018 midterm elections.


My points were not to you directly but in general and I didn't try to single you out just replying to my silly comments that you commented on.




Shortly afterwards, America will have its Second Civil War.

I’m not normally into predictions. But remember, Above Top Secret, you read it here first.



Naw, it is not going to happen anytime soon. Americans are too into themselves to actually stand up for something that could cost them, the great generation is long gone.



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posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 02:27 AM
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originally posted by: MrPlow
Cool.
So is it okay for the world to start labelling all white people as rapists and serial killers since white people commit the majority of said crimes?


I can't believe such ignorance has so far gone unanswered (and that so many mindless drones could have starred your ignorant post).

It is laughable for you to even suggest white people commit the most rapes and serial killings worldwide. There are probably more rapes (most of which go unreported) in Africa/Middle East alone compared to every documented (and unreported) case of a white person committing rape. There are probably more "serial killers" (which means the unlawful killing of more than one person by the same individual) in Asia alone compared to white serial killers living in Western countries.

You are aware too that Western countries tend to investigate, prosecute and document cases of rape and serial killings much more stringently than many non-Western countries?



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 04:38 AM
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the new left, liberal, PC argument is nothing more than a "i'm more culturally diverse than you" pissing contest.
i wonder where your holier than thou attitude is going to get you when sharia takes away your selfies and your booze and your sex.
left is the new extreme right.
i guess that makes me racist....



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 09:59 AM
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a reply to: Noobarino

Freedom of speech shouldn't be restricted. People that demonstrate hatred should be educated but they should be allowed an opinion.

People have developed some strange thought that when disagreed with the other is a bigot, sexist, racist etc

I believe it goes hand in hand with the nanny state everyone is equal on all aspects lark, I live in the U.K and schools are all inclusive. No one is a loser everyone is a winner. The only problem is, in my opinion, is that people no longer have to try. They are given everything, including the right to be correct all the time.

It shocks people when they enter the real world and other people have a non conformist thoughts

Regards



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 02:08 PM
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Um yeah, like.. we already have "Speech Free" zones on certain campuses here in California...

Y'all know that?

Like, literally, there is a zone, where you can stand and talk about anything you want. Then when you are out of that "Zone", the topics becomes very sensitive and you could get in trouble for speaking the wrong thing.

There was a famous case of APU (I believe), where two female college kids got suspended or expelled for dressing up in a funny way that sort of made fun of Mexican people...

I mean, it'll get worse and worse, until Freedom of Speech is dead and what makes America, America completely destroyed.



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 02:31 PM
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originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: ladyinwaiting




Or" Sweden has a problem with Arabic immigrants sexually assaulting women".


How about some immigrants - instead?


You've just demonstrated how people who are obsessively PC can be incredibly exasperating in a discussion.

Any reasonable English-speaking person knows when I say "the mosquitoes are biting me" I do not mean every single mosquito on Earth is biting me simultaneously. If I wanted to make such an absurd claim, I could easily place the word 'all' in front of the word 'mosquitoes.'

Intelligent conversation is a tedious process when PC warriors are involved. They get hung up on every word, trying their hardest to find something, anything they can misinterpret as bigotry.
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posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 02:33 PM
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Here's some news.

Why don't we treat each other with respect, use manners and honor those who are different than us and lastly, not get offended when someone makes an honest mistake. How about that? Now we don't have to worry about Political Correctness.



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 09:02 PM
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originally posted by: OpenMindedRealist
You've just demonstrated how people who are obsessively PC can be incredibly exasperating in a discussion.

Any reasonable English-speaking person knows when I say "the mosquitoes are biting me" I do not mean every single mosquito on Earth is biting me simultaneously. If I wanted to make such an absurd claim, I could easily place the word 'all' in front of the word 'mosquitoes.'

Intelligent conversation is a tedious process when PC warriors are involved. They get hung up on every word, trying their hardest to find something, anything they can misinterpret as bigotry.

Yep, that's how it goes.

By the time you have expended most of your energy on having to defend your position, you are too intellectually exhausted to reason further with people that use every opportunity to misinterpret your words.



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 08:28 AM
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Political correctness has, by design, gone from being a way to make people feel good into being used as a weapon.

What started out as a seemingly polite way to discuss a minority topic (not in the ethnic sense, but in the topical sense), has now become law with legal consequence. Case in point; read any municipal HR case log and you will see the overwhelming majority of grievances are now 'he said/she said' disputes over something which has become a "political correctness" issue in recent years. Some people, particularly the left, use political correctness (in the absence of anything else) for personal gain. The more it gains traction, the more laws with legal consequence are created...until ultimately people are paralyzed. Left on its current course political correctness will be the demise of the free world, because it stifles freedom (not the other way around). Deny it if you wish, but it's true. It's happening all around you.

Those who suggest political correctness does not discourage discussion, hamper expression and create more animosity are sorely mistaken. However now, in the politically correct world, people are unable to express frustration without having to choose each word with laser precision for fear of being accused of some alleged offense against people's feelings. So instead they remain silent (both written and in speech), allowing their frustration to fester to the boiling point. And what happens when the pot boils over? A larger, deeper, divide exists where one may not have existed to begin with. Hate gets harbored. In some cases people even resort to violence.

Political correctness knows no boundaries; there's no end to it, not until you have a single, clinically homogenous and sterile, society all marching in unison to the beat of a single drum.

I think the thing I find most irritating about the politically correct crowd is the double standards they apply in nearly every case. It's a HUGE offence to call someone "gay" or a "dyke", yet gays and lesbians do it all the time to each other. It's a HUGE offence to call a black person a n#, but black people do this all the time amongst each other. Even here on ATS we see it; it's now a T&C offense to call someone a "truther" or an "OS'er", yet the very same people who are offended by this use these very same terms to define themselves. Minority groups stereotype themselves all the time (to their benefit), but it's a high crime if anyone else stereotypes their same group. It's hypocrisy of the highest order.

No, political correctness is not about open discussion, it's about the minority trying to restrict any discussion at all. It's about forcing people to choose words so carefully to express a simple thought that they give up altogether because it's not worth the effort. That's the real motivation behind political correctness. When you neuter every word, sterilize it to the point it's meaningless, the net result of a statement is not saying anything at all.

And where does political correctness originate? It almost always originates from the left. Why? Because the left doesn't want debate, none at all. They just want to be free to do whatever they want and not be accountable for anything. Frankly, it really all does boil down to "accountability" (a trait sorely lacking in modern society today). People are okay with political correctness and stereotyping when it benefits them, but when their group, their race, their religion, their ethnicity are held accountable...they cry foul.

That's what's wrong with PC.


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posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 08:35 AM
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If you took the partisanship out of it, that would be a fairly excellent post.

The truth of the matter is that both sides of the coin abuse it.

A question, if I may, what distinction due you make between PC and civility?



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 08:48 AM
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originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

If you took the partisanship out of it, that would be a fairly excellent post.


There was no partisanship in my post. If by 'partisanship' you mean my use of the word "left", I would argue there is no particular political demographic represented by this lexicon.


The truth of the matter is that both sides of the coin abuse it.


Could you provide some examples of the right requiring such careful attention to political correctness? I am not aware of any.


A question, if I may, what distinction due you make between PC and civility?


I would offer, the two terms are unrelated. This is part of the problem; people think they are inseparably related...and they aren't. I can have a perfectly civil conversation and not be PC. Conversely, I can have a perfectly PC conversation and be anything but civil.
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posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 08:51 AM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

Could you provide some examples of the right requiring such careful attention to political correctness? I am not aware of any.


"The war on Christmas"



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 08:58 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Huh? The right doesn't have an issue with the terminology of this, but the practice of it. Rather than live and let live, once again the left is trying to rain on everyone else's parade for their own minority posture. Many countries have numerous holiday celebrations. In Asia they celebrate Christmas, Hare Raya, Chinese New year and many others. Christians don't have a problem with this, they have an issue with someone (from the left) telling them it's NOT okay to celebrate their holiday.



posted on Jan, 15 2016 @ 09:14 AM
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I'm talking about the insistence by the right that we say "Merry Christmas" and the utter contempt for the phrase "Happy Holidays" and things like that. If you cannot see how that is an example of right wing political correctness, then that previous poster was right, you are being held up by partisan bias. The right is JUST as guilty of trying to implement their version of political correctness as the left is.



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