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Thinking from God’s perspective decreases biased valuation of the life of a nonbeliever

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posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 03:13 PM
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a reply to: Annee

Wouldn't you say?




posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: Annee

Wouldn't you say?


There are many Gods in their own mind.



posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: Annee

Don't run from the question! It's in a simplistic form even?

You don't believe in God but there are many?

What the hell kind of atheist are you?

A very confused one?
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posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 03:31 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: gosseyn




I would have to disagree with him on a number of matters.


Then you are ilogical even by a Vulcans sense of logic.

"In critical moments men see only what they want to see".
And that blinds them from the ridiculous things they think.
Thinking you can match your puny intellect with God is
hilarious.



Come back when you have indisputable proof of god's existence. Until then I consider that you have imaginary friends.



posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 03:34 PM
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a reply to: gosseyn

I'm not going anywhere homeboy. And you're off topic.



posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 03:37 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: Annee

Don't run from the question! It's in a simplistic form even?

You don't believe in God but there are many?

What the hell kind of atheist are you?

A very confused one?


Actually, I am a Spiritual Atheist. I support an energy intelligence consciousness all is connected to. One. Science.

God is a title created by man - - as religion is created by man.

STOP! I will not derail this thread any further.



posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 03:38 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: gosseyn

I'm not going anywhere homeboy. And you're off topic.


How is it off topic ? You compare my "puny intellect" to the intellect of an imaginary being. It's totally on topic.



posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 03:48 PM
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STOP! I will not derail this thread any further.



Niether will I nor have I. And stop what?
Answering your questions? If my answers frighten you then
perhaps you should cease asking scary questions?


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posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 03:52 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
If my answers frighten you . . . ?


You seriously said that? With a straight face?

As said, I am going back to re-read the OP. I'm not sure I fully understood it.



posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 03:53 PM
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You compare my "puny intellect" to the intellect of an imaginary being. It's totally on topic.



That doesn't sound very agnostic at all. Perhaps you're confused also?
"If God does exist" from your OP and sounding agnostic.
Then you would disagree with him? Imerely pointed out that
by the very definition the word God, how perposterous that
would be. I didn't think you would take a liking to it.
Didn't expect you to either. But God is a word created by men.
It has definition in more ways than one.




Come back when you have indisputable proof of god's existence. Until then I consider that you have imaginary friends.


You're discussing me here. Off topic.
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posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 04:03 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: gosseyn




You compare my "puny intellect" to the intellect of an imaginary being. It's totally on topic.



That doesn't sound very agnostic at all. Perhaps you're confused also?
"If God does exist" from your OP and sounding agnostic.
Then you would disagree with him? i merely pointed out that
by the very definition the word God how perposterous that
would be. I didn't think you would take a liking to it.
Didn't expect you to either.


I am not against the existence of a god, I just don't see any proof of a god nor do I feel the need to believe in a god. You on the other hand seem to have a very precise idea of what god is, and that's what is profoundly preposterous.



posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 04:07 PM
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originally posted by: gosseyn
Now if we could all see ourselves as benevolent gods, with the responsibility that comes with it, that would be great...


This sentence.

I believe everything is energy. We are all connected by the same energy.

Like you plug a cord into an electric socket. Everything plugged into that cord comes from the same energy, and is connected (no matter how far from the original source). Each and every thing plugged into that cord can affect ALL.

I believe thought is creative action. What I think affects All through the energy connection.

So Yes, each person is a "god" among "gods" - - if "god" is energy.

It would certainly be beneficial if all thought (energy) was benevolent/positive.



posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 04:07 PM
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and that's what is profoundly preposterous.


Then you can explain why?

And as far as evidence perhaps you were born blind IDK.
But that still leaves many other senses that should tell you
something exists with a higher intelligence than us. And for
you to even suggest you could match wits with him? No my
good person that is truly perposterous. I paraphrase, if God
does exist boy would I tell him a thing or two. Ignorance.
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posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 04:14 PM
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originally posted by: gosseyn


I am an agnostic. I have suspended my judgement regarding the existence or the non-existence of a god, until further knowledge is available. I don't feel the need to believe in a god. And even if god himself presented his face in front of my nose, I would have to disagree with him on a number of matters.



He would show you why you are wrong, and you would feel extremely stupid after he showed you why. God's value system is far better than yours is, or anyone's is. He can see what you can't see about every situation.

After it was all done, you would be the one fully ashamed and regretful of how you thought before. Perhaps someday you will get to experience this truth for yourself.



posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 04:16 PM
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I don't see this as a manifestation of empathy...?

They were referring to a concept of ethics, not the sharing of emotional state with the Israelis.

To me it just sounded like everyones concept of God is a description of their super ego, or conscience- the template of ideals that they (usually) have inherited through their education.

However ones super ego forms, everyone still struggles with following it. Having ethical rules and ideals is one thing, but living them is something else entirely, and organized religion, in particular, does not facilitate the development of integrity.
At least I don't think so. That is the goal- a group all having the same template of ideals, values, and ethics means they can help each other adhere to them and nurture desired behaviors (be each others keepers).

But from what I see, that doesn't work very well for most people.

Anyway, I don't think empathy takes much effort or thought.



posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 04:22 PM
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If you like you can admit your mistake in the OP and I'm gone?
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posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 04:24 PM
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originally posted by: gosseyn
We don't need a god in order to be benevolent, nor do we need a figure such as the devil to be malevolent.


Just so you know, we are in complete agreement.

Religion is about control. Its man made - - not God made. It greatly depends on who is leading any specific following.

Gathering together in a group of same thought seems to create an energy euphoria - - almost drug like - - creating an "I'll follow you anywhere" mentality.

This became very clear to me when I stepped completely out of the "God Circle".



posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 04:28 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: gosseyn




and that's what is profoundly preposterous.


Then you can explain why?

And as far as evidence perhaps you were born blind IDK.
But that still leaves many other sense that should tell you
something exists with a higher intelligence than us. and for
you to even suggest you could match wits with him? No my
good person that is truly perposterous. I paraphrase, if God
does exist boy would I tell him a thing or two. Ignorance.


I can explain : because you don't accept ignorance. "Know that you don't know". You presume you know about the hypothetical being that created the universe and everything that this feat implies, while in reality we know so very little about our brain, about matter itself, etc..

And this sentence of mine : "I would disagree with him on a number of matters", is a figure of speech to express that there is a number of things that are just disgusting, like sickness, suffering children etc.. I have a close friend who is paralysed, and each day she is becoming more ill, so that is part of those things I would discuss with a hypothetical god.



posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 04:31 PM
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"I'll follow you anywhere"


But I wonder if you had any concern for where you following?
Obviously being not just anywhere? Just a question Annee.



posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 04:57 PM
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And this sentence of mine : "I would disagree with him on a number of matters", is a figure of speech to express that there is a number of things that are just disgusting, like sickness, suffering children etc.. I have a close friend who is paralysed, and each day she is becoming more ill, so that is part of those things I would discuss with a hypothetical god


If you don't mind I'll take this as a correction to your OP
and be done with this then. Citing you've made it sound
much less perposterous. In other words I can let that fly
and acknowledge our disagreement.
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