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Rome chief exorcist Fr. Gabriele Amorth expects Fatima prophecy in 5 months or less

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posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 03:12 AM
The possibility of "unexpected factor" to surface on the scene is quite big. It is not unexpected, it is intentioanlly shadowed by people who could and should release it in 1960.

I was shut up in the Great Warning Cancelled thread by a person not quite religious who attacked me on the subject of wrong ly quoted exact mass of the moon. (1/8 or 1/6 of the earth's) despite the correct number would be closer to the point I defended there. Why I say that here. Some people just don't want more than one ways out, they want one way and when the calculations go wrong, they announce your failure. For example, they will certainly announce Ron Conte's failure,a gain, if he fails in March 25 prediction. They will announce Amorth's failure if he fails...but he already failed because those 8 months ended in November 2015. Then those people will go on to attack everything such person has to say. They did the same with Malachi Martin, and still didn't do it with the late mgr Balducci who spoke of both Fatima and ET. May be because he went on aside of mainstream debate in the era before internet (now his main interview in Italian is available on youtube with English translation).

The Unexpected factor could be ET manifestation, or it could be a politician who makes major discoveries. Or religious. Don't be fast to call him antichrist! That fear made it possible the drama of Galileo to be still unfolding despite we all know the earth is round and rotates around the sun. The mentality that someone who says truth but non dogmatic truth, is personally evil or at least deluded, still exist. I will not spare EWTN whose main priest said once, " you see how beautiful the solar system was arranged by God, with all those planets rotating around the sun....and now we are told Aliens exist, that break that beautiful picture made by God. (I don't quote exactly neither remember the name or the date). That example illustrates how the people in hierarchy react. They already accepted the post-Galileo model adopted by the Church and exploited as its own. But their mentality is not very far from that of the people who sacrificed Galileo spiritually and Giordano Bruno physically. Those people know very well how the real things are! I may say, they should have had insider knowledge but on the other side. That, and not the danger of the final antichrist, is present among us. One may say, that is the spirit of the antichrist who resides next to us in the church all those centuries of Christendom.

The unexpected (or very well expected) factor wil change doctrines. I'd wish it is a great manifestation of extraterrestrial angelic looking humans who land on the Red Square, Sacre Coeur in Paris or anywhere (I think they will avoid St Peter's but who knows). If that is to come next, of course we would have changed doctrine as they speak live, for hours, not even overnight. But will they come, now?

Or they will let the crazy humans first exploit everything at their disposal, including the nukes. As we hear the latest reports of the latest order of North Korea's Kim to prepare the nukes battle ready. With China saying he signed his own death warrant. Even though, he still may blackout the Northern part of the Western hemisphere in a single shot. Will only then the paradigm change, by people and by extraterrestrials? Why are we so slow to make good, and so fast to accept the evil?

WW2 started quite fast despite all talks of peace of Hitler's propaganda. Until they woke up, the French were occupied in weeks. Today, weeks are not needed anymore. And that the people just don't get it. Tomorrow you may wake up with no electricity because of EMP, no internet of course, also no water because the water pumps would have stopped, as well as your car. And to realize all talked about and skipped as crazy ideas were actually the truth or better say a small part of it.
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posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 03:26 AM
a reply to: 2012newstart

I'm sorry, but there is no hiding behind the sun.

There is no Noobiru.

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 07:12 AM
a reply to: Chadwickus

Nibiru is one of the possibilities, it may have orbiting thousand years away from us. If Sitchin's estimations are correct, some say they aren't, I wouldn't care for Nibiru at this time.

I do not expect anything on a particular date, let say March 25, or any other date. I already said with the beginning of the thread, that the date of Amorth already passed in November 2015, i.e. he failed.

But my reasoning goes beyond a particular date or month set as the doom fulfillment.

Those who will really make it, be they ET or be they humans, and I mean not the doom but the entire sequence of events that envisions salvation of some part of humanity and even a period of peace to postpone the chastisement. Those people or ET most likely won't honor any religious based calculation. As they didn't honor the Mayans.

Some say, Mayan calendar was pagan, that's why, the Jewish one is from God. It is not from God. And it proved it didn't fulfill the Fall 2015 as any other date/period given by sturdy scholars.

The event will happen contrary to all expectations in a non-significant day. And will last contrary to all expectations, the amount of time envisioned as best for the biggest part of humanity to get saved. Not in spiritual terms (we are already saved spiritually by Jesus Christ) but in purely physical terms. If 3 days are enough for that and best timing, because of the roam of those who will choose not to be saved, then it will be only 3 days. I think it will be longer than 3 days, probably between 3 months and several years, but who am I to say.

Forget about today's religious establishment. It is doomed to fall since it rejected the heavenly message in Fatima and the plans of God in 1960 and before that date. The last pope will go in history, and if there is another one, he will change everything from top to bottom. Francis won't do it, if he didn't do it so far. Francis is history. I am sorry to say that, remembering how much credibility and hopes I myself put on Petrus Romanus on the evening he was elected and in the months after that. He did nothing significant, with the exception of several indeed good speeches. His time has not completely passed. But if someone has ambitious program to fulfill of reform of centuries old church, or even more than that, of baptizing aliens, he would do more for the 3 years in office, taking into account also not so good health and age closing to 80. Jesuit tricks here do not help. There is nothing to be seen, at the moment. How long are we supposed to wait more?

On the other side, those who expect 100 year fulfillment of Fatima, and the first in the row is Benedict, base their belief on another pope's visions Leo 13 who predicted 100 year reign of satan. That is good, because any period of time that is evil and that ends is a good thing. The problem is we don't know the starting date. Why should it be Fatima? Leo 13 lived quite before it (died 1903).

Why should it be the Communist revolution of Lenin? Is it the most evil thing in human history? Some say so. Here the cards fall. The Church circles who expect that, admit that. Pius 12 said the Revelation fulfilled during the Communist regime. It didn't. He was WRONG.
Those people although having their arguments, do not realize it was not communist leaders who ruined the church in the West. Or who made the inquisition centuries ago. If the coming of communism in 1917 is not true expectation of 100 year period of satan, then we may not have 100 years at all. We may double cross Leo 13 prediction as unfulfilled at that time, because the 100 years expired in 2003 or before.

We may have the real event taking place tomorrow and lasting 70 or as many years as you wish, or only months (less likely). We may have completely new calendar of expected dates, because those given to us seem to be so tightly fit to religious doctrine that they serve only that doctrine and nothing else than that. And the doctrine itself failed. Even the apparitions are conditional, half of them might be evil aliens. Let use the term so much loved by conservative catholics and protestants alike, evil aliens. If they do exist, they may affect equally protestant pastors in their rapture estimations, and catholic seers who think they see "Jesus and Mary". What if they don't see them but evil aliens posing as such and giving their agenda? Jesus wouldn't like to kill half the world, actually much more, to save only the selected few in the 3 days of darkness. Is that Jesus from the Gospel or someone else?
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posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 07:58 AM
The point is not that some prediction date has been reached and not fulfilled. As the case with the 3 zeroes in the year 2000. Or even the mayans that were much more credible than 2000. The point is that the change in the world is overdue for centuries. It should take place with the discovery of Galileo of more moons than ours, that contradicts the Biblical Genesis that God created the sun and THE MOON. It should also have ended with the announcement of the fact that the other stars are other solar systems, for which Giordano Bruno paid with torture and burning.

Another thing is if we have ancient detailled knowledge of celestial body such as Nibiru system that comes on orbits every 3600 years. Sitchin's dates published in his official site, say the last passage occurred ...I forgot...something like in the early decades of the first millenium without making any devastation that passage. That is we have a thousand or more years. The idea that Moses encountered passage of Nibiru, is not quite correct. The idea that the Flood occurred some ~5000 years ago, is not correct either. The archaeological data show other timing that is closer to ~12,000 years from now. Having such great differences we cannot pacify them without a clear cut ancient document to say exact numbers of years. Or by precise modern astronomical data that we are generally denied, the mass public. No one will tell you Nibiru is coming after 3 months, pack your bags. Because the one who tells you that, should assure places in Noah's ark and such are not provided. If such event is indeed coming in our days, our only hope should rest on ET-angels, not on humans.

Then if someone tells you, but they are the fallen angels and you will lose your soul, do not believe him! Jesus didn't say so. Jesus said his angels will take the righteous and chosen ones first.

So much of expectation of 100 year reign of satan that ends 2017 or any other year. I'd rather believe the Mayans and they didn't do it correctly. Remains those who indeed know and can do something about us, finally to do it. With or without cataclysmic date soon. With church being the main obstacle echoed by secular institutions, it is indeed a hard job to do. But not impossible. Because we all have a free will and consent that we can withdraw from the current controllers.
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posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 08:21 AM
That should be underlined.

Some people just don't get it when the reasoning becomes more elaborated than naming the demon in the direction they already have decided he dwells in. For them, I'd advice to read more posts in this and other forums, to get more informed. The demon may hide in places where they do not expect...

As of the Catholic Church, it is logical to search its continuation in the countries where it has majority - in South America. I already gave sch proposal. Half of all catholics on the globe live in Latin America. Moreover, if nuclear war happens, the entire Northern hemisphere will be radiated, while the Southern hemisphere will be relatively preserved.

While underground Siberia may sound tempting for those peoples who live inside or close to Russia and Europe, as mega rescue from deadly nuclear clouds, logically it is not the place where the Catholic church will be warmly welcome and praised. There are Orthodox churches in these lands who are not less descendants of the apostles and of Jesus Christ!

Brazilian large countryside or busy cities off coast may be the last refuge of the Western church on planet earth. That should be though about, when one reads multiple prophecies of how Rome is to fall soon.

posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 12:05 PM
It is a time for the Catholics to say it clearly and loudly what do they expect as near term prophecy. The hi rank should stop lying the world and hold it hostage to prophecy and ancient knowledge. If they don't, they will be severely punished by history and by the memory of coming generations.

Just think about how your grandchildren's children will talk of events in their past, that are now near future perspective. The way we talk now of the corrupt French monarchy that leaded to the French revolution, the Napoleonic wars or Hitler's invasions. They are not equal to each other of course, but the trend is clear. We don't talk good for the century old politicians and religious, because they did a lot of mistakes that now we all PAY.

Perhaps a new beginning as promised in non- sanctioned by Catholic church prophecies (such as the Orthodox prophecies, or secular ones) will bring also a washing effect on overloaded memories and consciousness of generations. The sanctioned prophecies are under deepest silence. Because the hi ranks could tell us what it means "fire from heaven" that is approved text from Akita, even if it is not approved version of Fatima -3 Neues Europa. They could tell us as much as "WW3" or "Nibiru" or "comet". We could have 1960 - 2016 time period to prepare better, including spiritually. That was denied by no one else but the elders of the Catholic Roman Church. It should be very dangerous whatever message is contained in all those numerous secrets for the Roman Church itself. Otherwise, they would tell us. They do not hesitate to frighten us with fires of hell forever. Why not to tell us of temporal cleansing of fire from heaven? Actually they say it, by approving pieces of the puzzle and letting us wonder until the end. Petrus Romanus prophecy ends with that same word. End.

"In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit.
Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations, and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills [i.e. Rome] will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people. The End."

Is it the end of the world? No, the end of the Roman Catholic Church or the Papacy. There is the figure of the Terrible Judge. It is unlikely to expect Jesus Christ in so short term, but it could be any of the prophets like Melchizedek for example, as Dead Sea Scrolls say he would come again.

So there is some kind of judgment and probably a choice the people would have to make at that time (or beforehand). Notice also that the Dreadful Judge will judge only HIS people, not the world. While in the Second Coming, we are told, Jesus will judge the world and punish the antichrist.

In other words, the Roman Church knows what it is wrong, then and now, but doesn't want to admit it. It is not sexual sins or even money changers in the temple. Those sins go along the entire history of humankind. Is it then something related to the very nature of the church, let say its establishment by Jesus, its role, information that Jesus gave and they hided, such as other worlds, angels? Why there should be banned gospels, if they are not that much different from the ones that got approval? It is not only theology that says, this is right and that is wrong. It is hiding of facts in first place. Perhaps there is something really important to be worthy of such deep secrecy.
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posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 12:17 PM
Yea, in 2018, after a century has passed, the Portuguese face the Italians in the finals of the world cup, and they win.

And the Italian will terrorize themselves, in disbelief, refuting God for such a horrific thing had passed and God had allowed t, and with the fall of the Church at hand.

This is true, because it sounds funny.
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posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 12:03 AM
OK I see the people just don't care of Fatima and prophecies anymore. Fr Gruner died. We got the next word of the previous pope that Fatima full fulfillment will happen in 100th anniversary (remember 2000 scenario with the same players).

Serious commenters like Phantomfire withdrew their participation from forums. Entire forums were shut down, not as big as ATS big big enough to shape pubic opinion of people who cared.

Ron Conte the infamous catholic private theologian and specialist on modern prophecy, gave another date that will most likely fail, NOT because he is not right in his reasoning but because the events outpaced the predictions themselves.

It is a pity the world hurls into the abyss with joy, as Padre Pio allegedly said, as if they go to the marriage feast of satan. And the people who call "fire!" are at best ridiculed and sidelined, at worst attacked, and some probably killed as Malachi Martin.

I will not play the fool neither sacrificial goat. Soon there will be enough of those. "Those who know last die first", said a popular radio show, speaking of the next prediction of asteroid to hit the Atlantic. It didn't come. It will not come, don't worry. Until the moment it will finally come. Damn it! The logic of ridiculed prophecy up until its fulfillment is well known from the Bible. I am not a prophet and I will not play the role of a martyr as well. Not voluntarily, as some frenetic people call for all the times in those religious sites.

Whether ET will intervene or not, it is question you should ask THEM. The people will not intervene to save you anyway. And God already saved your souls thru Jesus Christ. So the picture is pretty much done. No matter if it is played by the communists, christians, catholics, new agers, or illluminati. Surely I can say more, but see no motivation for that.
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posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 12:36 PM
Is the next pope - the Manchild of Revelation, or one of the 144,000?

Before you dismiss the idea as "impossible" please consider some facts about the Manchild of Revelation 12.

Notice: Whether this is accepted by the posters or not, I intend it to be my last major work in the forum. Time runs out, we are already 2016 March, all dates of prophecies outpace us, and that may be well the last opportunity to share some thoughts to redefine the big picture.
For any reasons that may run against common logic, I already created quite a big database about "Space Christianity" in this forum, it is unreasonable to start it all over anywhere else online. I think I already said the major part of it. Sure new things will come up, as the Manchild being the next pope before the antichrist, that IMO is an important milestone in prophecy understanding. But I am not certain I will be available online, or the events themselves will allow us to spend that time on internet).

(to be continued)

posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 12:42 PM
a reply to: rickymouse

The Vatican could be trying to warn people that they know about something that is brewing but leaving it out in a vision instead of challenging TPTB

So you're saying that they know from their position in politics, or in fact spiritual prophecy?
Secondly isnt the RC Church one of TPTB?


posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 12:43 PM
It is better you just say your views before the events come upon us. Forget about me, the issues are over there for how nay years after 1960? Whether we continue writing or not, if internet stops tonight or after two weeks, as one prophet (self) determines, it wouldn't matter any longer. The things have been said so may times all over. Rarely a novelty will come out. I pretend this idea of Manchild as being the next pope, is a novelty that considers deep reflection. But I will continue only in the next days.
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posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 12:58 PM
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

of course they know. TPTB is a term coined relatively later. RCC is much better to be used. The oldest organization on earth passed thru all kinds of calamities and political regimes. If someone knows it, it is the red hats. Don't we think they know perfectly how it reflects to multitudes the election of the last pope in centuries old prophecy? And why Benedict was elected at 78 and Francis at 76, in order to have very little time before the list of Malachi naturally ends?

Because they know something is coming that we don't know and they do not share in the normal way. Indeed, they leak their own hidden info via unbelievable routes, such as a book written by cloistered nuns to say we should expect a POLE SHIFT. Or a leaked diary of St John XXIII (who can ever leak such a thing to the dump as explained) speaking of contacts with ET.

These comments are not part of my series of the Manchild and 144,000 absolutely important role that will come before not after the destruction of Babylon. And it almost fell down. We almost have the second angel in the air. Or do we? The options are two.
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posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 01:01 PM
I invite all who feel part of the spiritual team of 144,000 regardless of age (perhaps none of us in ATS are youngsters anymore), to join the discussion.

If the pope wants to help the process of the election of his successor, that for everyone catholic, christian, and even atheist is well known it goes away of Malachi, then the pope should have appointed hundreds, thousands of young cardinals to make the next prophecy fulfill, after the doom. He prefers not to do it. I am not a candidate, let say it from now. I don't believe such papal action will fulfill prophecy that only Jesus and God hold in their hands. But at least he could have tried. Instead of losing all that energy in vain on the World Youth Days. Weren't they intended to bring fresh air in the Church. And how did they do that? Everyone of us who have been even once, knows what they were turned into. Pop show, mega church, but not any spiritual influence FROM THE YOUTH TO THE ELDERS. Vice versus, old and odd paradigms have been preached day and night to exhausted youths who sleep in bags outside before the final mass. You have to be not only 16- 26 to endure that, you have to have quite strong psychic not to break down about everything you know from Church.

Newness in the content not in the form is what is needed ASAP! If the Catholic Church is ever to be continuation post events of Christianity!

I wil continue about the topic of Manchild and 144,000 in the next posts.
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posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 01:50 PM
Is the next pope - the Manchild of Revelation, or one of the 144,000?
(part one)

Before you dismiss the idea as "impossible" please consider some facts about the Manchild of Revelation 12.

First of all, the Manchild cannot be literally Jesus Christ. Baby Jesus was never raptured, instead grew up to 33 on Earth. Mother Mary never fled to the desert ALONE, as the Woman in Revelation does, but with Jesus and Joseph.

Second, the Revelation is written some hundred years AFTER Jesus' mission on earth, and envisions the history until his Second Coming. It is not a book to review the birth of Jesus that occured some 100 years beforehand.

Third, the popular Catholic interpretation of a mystical rebirth of Jesus by the mystical Church, fits doctrines in centuries, but does not tell us anything about that person that is to come.

Besides that, isn't it a kind of "re-incarnation " the idea that Christ is to be born again, even if only "spiritual"?What hides the word "spiritual, mystical" so often used by clergy when they do not want or cannot answer simle questions?

4. If you consider the timing of the Manchild's birth, it precedes the Antichrist. I will be more detailed just a second.

5. The 144,000 appear in Revelation 7 as Jewish descendants, i.e. they also precede the Antichrist.

6. Whether the 144,000 firstfruits who are virgins, in Revelation 14, are those same Jews from Revelation 7, for whom we do not know are they youngsters or adults? Therefore, it is quite possible to have TWO SETS of 144,000.

(to be continued)
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posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 02:02 PM
Is the next pope - the Manchild of Revelation, or one of the 144,000?
(part two)

7. Although those 144,000 firstfruits appear in Chapter 14, after Chapter 13 that describes the Antichrist and False prophet in detail, a closer look will show they appear also before the Antichrist.

After their gathering on Mt Zion, the three angels give their warning. It is the Second Angel who mentions for a first time Babylon the Great as already Falen. Although we do not know the exact time of that fall, we know it is rather fast to occur, and it shortly follows the gathering of the firtfruits on Mt Zion.

From later chapters we know the Babylon the Great falls as a result of the coordinated attack of 10 horns (kings) in one hour, to clear up the way for the rising beast. I.e. before the Fall of Babyon we do not have the rising beast on the scene, at least not publicly.

Compared now to Revelation 12, the beast rises only after the cast down of the Dragon and the Flee of the Woman. So logically, Babylon falls after these events, not before them.

8. The duration of Revelation 12 is the most obscure prophecy ever. It is considered by many the Woman would flee immediately after the child is taken up to God. Nothing farther than the truth!

Examine the text phrase by phrase: the dragon is not interested in eating the woman AT THAT TIME. He only awaits the birth. After the manchild is taken, the Dragon does not attack the Woman! Please make that a cornerstone for further reasoning!

Instead, the dragon goes to war with archangel Michael and his celestial forces. That war starts with the anointing of the Manchild, and ends with the defeat of 1/3 of all stars.

The stars as counted at the time of John were some 6,000 visible with naked eye. 2000 fallen stars is quite significant number for that time.

Today we have other numbers, 1/3 or all stars in the Universe wuld make many more than trillions! We are talking of a giant space war that may take quite long time to finish! Although its end is foretold, it doesn't mean it will happen in one week or one month.

Even if we take into account the modern astrophysical knowledge that time flows on different rates. Andromeda may end the war at the time when Milky way just starts it! Still it is quite a big event that takes its reasonabe time.

9. Prophecy has to be seen in order to be declared "fulfilled". There is not such prophecy that fulfills symbolically in the dark, and then the prophet to say to the crowds: see I foretold you!

Not in the Bible though. The prophecy is written to be witnessed by the multitudes, who upon seeing it fulfilled, to convert from their sinful ways and to glorify God in heaven. Anything else is not a prophecy, it is a saga, fortune telling, or you name it.

So to claim that the War in Heaven already occurred by the expelling satan from heaven, is to double cross the book of Revelation altogether. We wouldn't need it in that case. Although there are many religious who interpret it exactly in that way.

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posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 02:10 PM
there is more of that my final big effort in this forum, that happened to be the hub of my latest works in a dozen of key threads about Space Christianity (or Christianity in the Universe, galaxies).
Please give your views, and please do not shoot at the pianist! I am not an artist!
The manchild will rule with a rod of iron, no matter whether I write it or not, no matter if I try to bring visualization or not. Actually the 144,000 appear first, if we follow the logic that I try to explain. It would be wise if the currently living on earth 144,000 are given way, but it is less expected. They will be promoted the day the ET contact happens "unexpectedly" or very expected by them. Then the game will change not overnight but in less than an hour.

posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 02:58 PM
What were the prophecies?
Im curious....
the word 'prophecy' is thrown around lightly today....
3 little girls? yeh sure... please enlighten me as to what were the prophecies?
a reply to: 2012newstart

posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 03:33 PM
The then Cardinal Ratzinger reportedly told people that the fatima message is basically the same as the message from apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary in Akita, Japan.

The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres...churches and altars sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.

As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by My Son. Each day recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and priests.


Other notable prophecies paint a picture of a possible nuclear war starting soon after Russia led force invades Turkey (lin k). The forces will make it to Italy which will result in the destruction of Vatican and the murder of the real Pope (St. Pope Pius X's vision 1914),
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posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 10:16 PM

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: rickymouse

The Vatican could be trying to warn people that they know about something that is brewing but leaving it out in a vision instead of challenging TPTB

So you're saying that they know from their position in politics, or in fact spiritual prophecy?
Secondly isnt the RC Church one of TPTB?


No, the RC church is not one of tptb but it does kind of go along with all rulers in charge to try to keep it's members alive. If they would have challenged the empires and armies years ago, there would not be any church anymore. There have been a lot of different governments controling things in the last fifteen hundred years and the Catholic church still exists. Sort of a go with the flow thing.

For a while, the Catholic church was getting too involved in politics but it seems to stay more neutral now.

TPTB are actually those who structure military countries. They are people with lots of military influence and designed our economies. I can't pin down who they are but they do have lots of puppets in high places.

posted on Mar, 12 2016 @ 12:23 AM
a reply to: combatmaster

The prophecy were: WW2 and Russian rise as military and atheistic force at that time. If not converted by prayers of pope and bishops, it will invade the whole world. That was Secret N2. Secret N3 is secret up until this day. However, two releases were made via private visions of Lucia (the oldest girl died aged after 2000).

The first vision included martyrdom of Pope and cardinals, faithful, on a hill next to ruined city (Rome most surely) It matches with Malachi prophecy of the last pope that according to his list is pope Francis. Although that vision may be perfectly authentic (there are doubts), it is private vision of Lucy and not a text word by word given by Mother Mary to the three young girls in 1917.

The text is hidden until now. The second leak of Catholic church was a published book by the nuns of Lucy, in which they retold her other vision of an angel pushing the North Pole and causing worldwide havoc. Well we call that Poe Shift.

The Vatican made good to publish officially and unofficially those visions, still it holds the text of Our Lady said in 1917. Neues Europa text that I reposted several times, envisions worldwide cataclysm without specifying is it man made or natural, as well as bitter internal struggles inside the Vatican.

Malachi Martin, ex-jesuit who had read the 3rd secret under oath of secrecy, said that not even Neues Europa text contains the main core element that the 3rd secret has. I have long elaborations how that leads to the only possible thing still being secret and that is the alien existence around us (why should be called alien, but we call aliens even our brethren on earth...) Furthermore, Martin gives a time, before 2017, and a place, Russia and Kiev, as God's choice similar to Israel, to save (physically) the world. That is synthesized, for more I invite you to read older posts and also other threads of Fatima.

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