The US announces it has developed the hydrogen bomb... today... 63 years ago.

History today

The irony is thick.

Today the 7th of january marks the 63rd anniversary for the invention of the hydrogen bomb by the Americans under Truman who 3 years earlier had told the AEC that he was persuing that specific invention.

And here we stand today, with arsenals scattered all over the globe with (almost) ready to fire nuclear weapons, and heads of state, the UN and foreign ministers are boldly sticking it to North Korea for their "achivement".

Don't get me wrong, North Korea in my view is no nation of saints. I completely acknowledge that its people live in dire times under a psychotic little child as a ruler.
But I cannot help myself from laughing out loud when my so-called leaders of the western world all stand up and curse something that they themselves have done EXACTLY the same 63 years ago. The irony is so thick you could cut it with a bread knife.

And what is the response to something we call to be against UN resolutions? Well... more weapons!! More! MOAR!! More war, more threats, more drawing lines in the sand.
If you tell your dad, I'll tell mine... if you destroy my sand castle, I'll water down yours!

And at the same time we curse this country who is not part of the UN, for not obeying the UN resolutions, we stand idly by and take it up the rear from Israel who is doing the exact same thing with their nuclear weapons while oppressing an entire people with their apartheid rule.

Oh what a grand and mature world the west is.

/sarcasm

originally posted by: flice
History today

The irony is thick.

Today the 7th of january marks the 63rd anniversary for the invention of the hydrogen bomb by the Americans under Truman who 3 years earlier had told the AEC that he was persuing that specific invention.

And here we stand today, with arsenals scattered all over the globe with (almost) ready to fire nuclear weapons, and heads of state, the UN and foreign ministers are boldly sticking it to North Korea for their "achivement".

Don't get me wrong, North Korea in my view is no nation of saints. I completely acknowledge that its people live in dire times under a psychotic little child as a ruler.
But I cannot help myself from laughing out loud when my so-called leaders of the western world all stand up and curse something that they themselves have done EXACTLY the same 63 years ago. The irony is so thick you could cut it with a bread knife.

And what is the response to something we call to be against UN resolutions? Well... more weapons!! More! MOAR!! More war, more threats, more drawing lines in the sand.
If you tell your dad, I'll tell mine... if you destroy my sand castle, I'll water down yours!

And at the same time we curse this country who is not part of the UN, for not obeying the UN resolutions, we stand idly by and take it up the rear from Israel who is doing the exact same thing with their nuclear weapons while oppressing an entire people with their apartheid rule.

Oh what a grand and mature world the west is.

/sarcasm

YEP...

The BIG bogeyman that has done so much damage to the Western world... *sighs*

Internet did not exist in those days to so easily slag down other countries and spread propaganda that brainwashed people in such a quick way...

Two bombs thrown and thousands KILLED... and also still dying... in a country targeted by a supposedly civilised Western democratic nation... GUESS WHO DID THAT?... North Korea or another Nasty commie pinko dictator??? "slight exaggeration"

But still people have to whine and whinge about a bloke from another country with a silly haircut and a penchant for Mars Bars that has not proved to be a world dictator compared to "other countries"... Yet...

And all that because he lives in another country that is totally pushed to one side as that is what the PTB want (ed) us/you to think for so many years whilst concentrating on the bigger issues that concern gaining cash with proxy wars for petrol? (Maybe I am wrong?)

Flame away... I have my asbestos armour on.

Kindest

Lags

a reply to: Lagomorphe

True still N-Korea is kinda dangerous BUT it's also has to do with how the west treats that country.
The only answer as always it seems that if a country does things the west/US don't like it's only coming with ''solutions'' which will make the relationship even way worse. So (economical )sanctions, isolate it, even doing military exercises with S-Korea even and so on. Which means in this case N-Korea gets even more protective and hostile.

I mean if N-Korea was a person and I would try to isolate you and speak with others they shouldn't talk with him, but do the opposite with his brother (S-Korea). Of course tensions only grow bigger and the more reason to be protective and be angry on the other one which will grow worse in time.

Kinda you see now again with Russia.. instead of trying to improve relationships especially in worse times where it's much needed they always come with solutions which will only escalate the already worse situation.

I understand what you mean Plus...

But my question is the following : What have NK REALLY done in a nasty way to threaten world peace (compared to our Western and supposedly civilised democratic nations) since the dictatorship was put into place to unsettle world peace by the USA and Russia back in 1945?

And to add... What can we suggest in order that they can provide a solution apart from saying "OK look folks... we have bombs and stuff too?"

*Shrugs*

Kindest

Lags

a reply to: Pluginn

originally posted by: Lagomorphe

Two bombs thrown and thousands KILLED... and also still dying... in a country targeted by a supposedly civilised Western democratic nation... GUESS WHO DID THAT?... North Korea or another Nasty commie pinko dictator??? "slight exaggeration"

Flame away... I have my asbestos armour on.

Kindest

Lags

Woa woa Lags, you must not have gotten the memo.

We had to drop those horrific weapons on them in order to stop people from dying. It was simply something that had to be done, only civilized and educated people would understand such ideas. The barbarians we had to end in such a fashion had it coming to them.

/sacrasm off

People have a nice rosey colored version of history in order for them to maintain the whole "good guy" notion that is simply an illusion. Collectively we will have to come to terms with the reality of crimes that have been committed in our names. Fortunately with the internet we have information available and every now and then someone turns off the TV and does a little bit of research.

One day will will learn from our past, until then it makes sense that other nations would be working to protect themselves from western influence. It has been an ugly history of subterfuge right on up to out right genocide, all for resources and power.

*Winks right back at you*

I get exactly what you mean.

Kindest

Lags

a reply to: elementalgrove

I wonder if little Kim did what Britian did back in the day and lied about having a hydrogen bomb , just bolt 2 nukes together looks the same .

Brilliant timing by little Kim for grabbing all the newspaper headlines away from Obama with his gun agenda the Clinton's rape fiasco and Merkel with mass rape on new year in Germany

a reply to: stonerwilliam

There was no *mass* rape. Please refrain from inflating news.

originally posted by: Pluginn
I mean if N-Korea was a person and I would try to isolate you and speak with others they shouldn't talk with him, but do the opposite with his brother (S-Korea). Of course tensions only grow bigger and the more reason to be protective and be angry on the other one which will grow worse in time.

If North Korea was a person he would have been locked up for trying to murder his Southern Brother, oh, yeah that IS what seems to be the case.

Historical Context seems to be lost on many while they hand wring and omit critical historical contributing factors while portraying their modern agendas. Sure the US developed the H bomb, So did The USSR and China, All three seem to be at odds with little Kimmy/North Korea having their own. I don't blame them.

Nuclear weapons is one of those things many of us wish they could un-invent, but that Nuclear Ginnie is way they hell out of the bottle. More to the point, Two of the three major Nuclear powers [US/Russia] have been reducing their Nuclear stockpile not increasing them. China? who knows, but I'm willing to bet they aint too happy having a Nuclear power right next door. North Korea and China although on paper are allies North Korea seems to be lately more of an international embarrassment and hindrance to China's desire to be seen as a Global power simply because of their association with such a Cold War prehistoric throw back relic known as North Korea.

a reply to: SLAYER69

Germany should be locked up with the same reason... It's a long time ago..
My point the west only makes the hate between N and S Korea worse..

a reply to: Pluginn

Germany hasn't threatened their neighbors with obliteration in a long, long time, AND has been an economic powerhouse buoying the EU economy.

North Korea?


Starves their own people to maintain a massive military and threatens their neighbors every other month.


Apples and Oranges.

a reply to: SLAYER69

I bet S-Korea wants to do the same..

Well you also could say again since its heavily sanctioned (cant do business/trade outside her borders) it stays pretty poor and the reason for a big part you have starving people.. as much as a reason.

And look at the US, how many living on the streets and using food stamps yet they still have an INSANE defense/war budget.

And you talk about threatening others? lol the US should be locked up for sure then..

a reply to: ManFromEurope

It is not what they report it is what they are not reporting some are saying it is really bad in Cologne

originally posted by: Pluginn
a reply to: SLAYER69

I bet S-Korea wants to do the same..

All the threats to obliterate the other come from the North. South Korea hasnt moved in any threatening manner. There have been a few engagements over the past few decades almost all of them instigated by the North. Proof is in the pudding.

Well you also could say again since its heavily sanctioned (cant do business/trade outside her borders) it stays pretty poor and the reason for a big part you have starving people.. as much as a reason.

North Korea has a motto and way of being called Juche.

Juche (Chosŏn'gŭl: 주체; hancha: 主體; RR: Chuch'e; Korean pronunciation: [tɕutɕʰe]), usually translated as "self-reliance", is the official political ideology of North Korea, described by the regime as Kim Il-Sung's "original, brilliant and revolutionary contribution to national and international thought". The idea states that an individual is "the master of his destiny" and that the North Korean masses are to act as the "masters of the revolution and construction".

Kim Il-Sung (1912-1994) developed the ideology – originally viewed as a variant of Marxism-Leninism – to become distinctly "Korean" in character, breaking ranks with the deterministic and materialist ideas of Marxism-Leninism and strongly emphasising the individual, the nation state and its sovereignty. Consequentially, Juche was adopted into a set of principles that the North Korean government has used to justify its policy decisions from the 1950s onwards. Such principles include moving the nation towards "chaju" (independence), through the construction of "charip" (national economy) and an emphasis upon "chawi" (self-defence), in order to establish socialism.

How much of that isolation is Self inflicted by their own ideology?

Where's Dennis Rodman when ya need him???

a reply to: flice

I'm not going to condemn kim-jong or NK until they actually do start a war with someone.

How do we know for sure that the people in that Country aren't happy? Are they not free to leave if they aren't happy? I'm sure there are Airports in NK.

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
a reply to: flice

I'm not going to condemn kim-jong or NK until they actually do start a war with someone.

A state of war has continually existed ever since they invaded the South.

There has been an uneasy 63+ year cease fire in place.

originally posted by: SLAYER69

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
a reply to: flice

I'm not going to condemn kim-jong or NK until they actually do start a war with someone.

A state of war has continually existed ever since they invaded the South.

There has been an uneasy 63+ year cease fire in place.

It may be 'uneasy' but its still in place and neither side have hit the other except verbally. the US have verbally assaulted other Country's too and Northern ireland have verbaly assualted the UK ~(well, the IRA anyway). many Country's verbally abuse others.

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

It may be 'uneasy' but its still in place and neither side have hit the other except verbally.

Not very familiar with the situation are you?