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Abbreviated Texting - Yes or No

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posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 08:57 AM
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With ATS having found such poularity recently, I have noticed we have started to attract those that seem to be used to using abbreviated texting (AB) in chat rooms.

I have little concern with this form of communication within chat rooms, as it makes for faster communication, but do we have to allow it to occur on the threads aswell.

I'm not sure how the rest of you feel about this, but I would like to ask that some kind of ruling come in to being, that restricts the use of Abbreviated Texting within the threads.

I don't think its much to ask people to post in full English. When I see AB being used by an individual I assume I'm talking to a Chav who can't be bothered, so why should I be bothered to reply, especially when I have no idea what in gods name they are trying to say in the first place.

Side Note: In anticipation of your replies. It is not necessary to reply to this thread using AB, as much as you might like to.

[edit on 7-1-2005 by Koka]




posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 09:47 AM
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I vote No
. Abbreviated text is useful when you don't have a full keyboard available and you have to hit 5-5-5 to get the character 'L' to show up, but with a full keyboard at your disposal there's no reason to not type out the full text. It's so much easier to read.



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 09:54 AM
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I concur. I find it severely reduces the impact of whatever thought the poster is trying to convey. When a post is filled with such text, or even lacking in paragraphs, I ignore it.



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 09:55 AM
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[size=10]NO Discussion board communities are a written medium... as such, all communications really should be in normally acceptable grammatical format.



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 09:58 AM
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IM style communication should be left to the IM format. As such, I for one do not want to see it here on ATS. Instead of stimulating coherent debates, you get a one line string of charecters as if we were code talkers or something.



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 10:03 AM
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me tinks i can rite howevr i wnt, arnt u castng judgment on ppl that cant spell proprly or dey tink dat it is esier 4 dem to cominc8 dis way.


I personally think people should at least try to be grammatically correct. However I just think this is another thread for people to have a winge.


Yes I did read the "It is not necessary to reply to this thread using AB" but I think it is necessary.

It's not right to ridicule someone just by the way the spell, type or talk.



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 10:08 AM
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me tinks i can rite howevr i wnt, arnt u castng judgment on ppl that cant spell proprly or dey tink dat it is esier 4 dem to cominc8 dis way.


I've got to go with no.

I'm sure it'd be a coding nightmare, but a filter to translate it into normal would be pretty cool. Still, the above style makes it pretty hard to be taken seriously if that is one's intention....



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by Th0r It's not right to ridicule someone just by the way the spell, type or talk.
This isn't about that... which you're correct, it's wrong. This idea is about the use of purposeful SMS/IM/net-speak short-hand for common words. teh = the pron = porn u = you m8 = mate ne1 = anyone ... and so on. If you're attempting to express yourself regarding an important concept, it stands to reason that the way you communicate (in this written medium) is the only means by which the reader can gauge your seriousness.



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 10:31 AM
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I would vote for no -- although I didn't know what it was until ThOr did his demonstration.

SO I had to laugh when you illustrated the words -- the first two are just illustrations of my normal typing -- A bit dyslexic and that is how lots of words come out naturally. And the fun of getting d and b correct. But typing it is much much easier than writing it for some reason. This does explain why I have so many edits
Thank God for Preview Post it cuts it down some....

But my no vote stands

jm



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 10:43 AM
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i dont see how abbreviating/making things shorter should somehow give the impression that the person using the quote is less bothered about the subject... Its like if i type WWII... in the future our language will probably evolve into abbreviated words anyway, way its going.



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 11:02 AM
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Acronyms (WWII) and slang abbreviations (u) are two completely different things. I suppose an appropriate rule-of-thumb for anyone communicating in a written medium is what standard is in-use by newspapers and similar sources.



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 02:46 PM
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NO.

ATS is not one huge Instant Messaging Board.



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 02:54 PM
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I say yes it is acceptable. As long as the individual is able to express their communication sufficiently for any other party to understand. It is my opinion that to control peoples free right to express themselves in any way they see fit is a form of oppression. So what if using abbreviations is a vulgarisation, so are the words 'Daddy' and 'Yeah' but people use them and I don not think any less about the individual or the subject which that individual may be discussing.



Koka:
I don't think its much to ask people to post in full English. When I see AB being used by an individual I assume I'm talking to a Chav who can't be bothered, so why should I be bothered to reply, especially when I have no idea what in gods name they are trying to say in the first place..


This comment is quite ignorant, to refer to anyone as 'Chav' is derogatory, you may not understand what they write, but with an attitude like that they are probably better off without your reply.

(by the way, nice avatar)


(please excuse the smiley as these are also charactaristics of the same vulgarisation as abbreviations...)

[edit on 7/1/05 by Klepto]



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
[size=10]NO


I second that emotion.

It disrupts the flow of a thread and makes it extremely difficult to take such a poster seriously.
Even worse, we, as a board, strive to host intelligent discussion on a variety of topics that most people view as "out there." How can we help people deny ignorance when they see a post full of incomprehensible letters and numbers?

Nosir, no, I don't like it. Bad for ATS all around.



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 03:23 PM
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Typing like a twit makes you look like an idiot. I used to type quickly and in all lower case when posting to usenet, but people couldn't stand it. I stopped, then after seeing newbies come in and do it, I realized just how annoying it was. And this IM sort of spelling and typing is inane. On a text message for a phone or IM, sure, but not in a forum.

He's a great little page:
How to Write Like a Wanker



Write Like You're on IRC.
A real wanker considers his time infinitely more valuable than his reader's. (You are a real wanker, aren't you?) Accordingly, don't hesitate to conserve keystrokes. Address your reader as 'u'; 'you' is time-consuming and obsolete.

Don't capitalize.
Hey, if it made e.e. cummings look like a visionary, surely it'll do the same for you, right?

Unless you're trying to come across as a pretentious wanker [...] you're probably better off avoiding hyphenated words, and going with whatever looks least intelligent ("africanamerican", "e mail") when it's unavoidable.

Mispunctuate.
[Messin'] up your punctuation is a conservative but effective way of exposing yourself as a retard in front of the Internet.

toss in either two, or four (or more) dots as an "ellipsis". This will come across as lazy, gutless, and flippant all at once: pure wanker.

Overuse Exclamation and Question Marks. Extra bonus points for stuffing three or four exclamation marks into the middle of a sentence. If anything that should have been an exclamation mark actually comes out as the numeral '1', you can be sure that your reader thinks you are a wanker.

Star Out Offensive Language.
Because calling her a [had to remove it] would be rude, but calling her a 'c*nt' is perfectly acceptable.


Tons more on the page, should be required reading for people registering for the first time. Maybe make them take a quiz to prove they read it, like

"If anyone complains that you're off-topic:
(1) Consider that you might be
(2) Explain why you beleive your post was on topic
(3) call them a Nazi"

To which the answer properly is, of course, (3).



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by Th0r
It's not right to ridicule someone just by the way the spell, type or talk.

Yes it is. Infact, its the mostest rightest.



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 03:28 PM
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i think shortening words is o.k if you're on msn chat etc, however this is ATS and is up market to mere msn chat. NO! NO! NO! to abreviations!



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 03:28 PM
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I'm going with the general consensus of no, for the above stated reasons. I used to type with no caps, but I've picked up slack in the past few months and added that in as well.

It's understandable to have poor spelling or grammer, not everyone does well in language (myself included!). But talking as Th0r did above is just rude, obnoxious, irritating, annoying, etc...

Besides, proper spelling and grammer is just more gooder!



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 08:06 PM
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Question: Is it that innappropriate to use abbreviations such as "w/" (with), or "ppl" (people)?

I see "IMO", "fyi", and "btw" everywhere, and dont quote me on this but i believe mods use them the same as members. it has nothing to do with intelligence or being too lazy to write out the words, it has just become the new way to write it.

So I guess my vote is: yes, but it depends on the situation.

---Pineapple

P.S. IMO=In my opinion
fyi=for your information
btw=by the way

[edit on 7-1-2005 by pineappleupsidedown]



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by NygdanHe's a great little page:
How to Write Like a Wanker



Write Like You're on IRC.


heh, so true. Although, there are a right number of grammar Nazi's on irc all the time. Laughing at someone who said 'grammer' instead of 'grammer' constitutes roughly a third of bash.org...'s content.

oh, and, no.



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