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Donald Trump calls Ted Cruz’s birth in Canada a ‘problem’

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posted on Jan, 7 2016 @ 10:35 AM
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And what''s funny is that McCain is now piling on, too. Because Cruz is as much a despised jerk as Trump among Republican leadership.

I wonder when the rest of these jamokes are going to figure out the gloves are off. Forget any fantasy of Trump fading away, politely withdrawing and giving a nice endorsement speech at the convention. He's going to stick around to the end and if he were to start losing he will say or do anything to stick the others in the back.

Anyone who is serious about staying in the race needs to start hitting back now and tweeting pictures of the Fonz ain't going to cut it.




posted on Jan, 7 2016 @ 03:40 PM
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originally posted by: Southern Guardian
a reply to: seeker1963


Before Cruz ever became relevant in a presidential race, I remember many on the left comparing him to how many claimed Obama wasn't a qualified citizen for president!


People were making the point that many of Ted's supporters, and many on the right, who were Obama birthers, never made issue about Ted's birthplace when he announced a run for president. There wasn't an issue made about Ted's birthplace, there was an issue made about the double standards of his supporters. Clearly you're incapable of understanding that, and clearly you take issue with people rightfully pointing out the hypocrisy on the right.

Trump is a hypocrite, and so are many of his supporters. The fact you're trying to derail this and make this about 'lefties' is very telling about where you stand.


I am not so sure Trump is being hypocritcal on this particular issue. He was very vocal aout Obama's citizenship and he is also now speaking about Cruz. Thats consistent, no?

edit on 7/1/2016 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 7 2016 @ 03:41 PM
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So they didn't learn this with Obama?

I don't like Cruz, but I'm pretty sure he's legally okay to be president if we vote him in. Just as Obama was/is.



posted on Jan, 7 2016 @ 03:44 PM
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originally posted by: DelMarvel
And what''s funny is that McCain is now piling on, too. Because Cruz is as much a despised jerk as Trump among Republican leadership.

I wonder when the rest of these jamokes are going to figure out the gloves are off. Forget any fantasy of Trump fading away, politely withdrawing and giving a nice endorsement speech at the convention. He's going to stick around to the end and if he were to start losing he will say or do anything to stick the others in the back.

Anyone who is serious about staying in the race needs to start hitting back now and tweeting pictures of the Fonz ain't going to cut it.


Agreed. It's going to get ugly in the Republican party, whether Trump maintains his momentum or not. We'll have infighting in the GOP with mud being slung from the establishment if Trump wins some early primaries and if he doesn't then Trump will start the attacks. Either way Hillary is probably doing the right thing by withdrawing from the war of words. Why try and destroy the opposition whilst they do it themselves.



posted on Jan, 7 2016 @ 06:54 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: DelMarvel
And what''s funny is that McCain is now piling on, too. Because Cruz is as much a despised jerk as Trump among Republican leadership.

I wonder when the rest of these jamokes are going to figure out the gloves are off. Forget any fantasy of Trump fading away, politely withdrawing and giving a nice endorsement speech at the convention. He's going to stick around to the end and if he were to start losing he will say or do anything to stick the others in the back.

Anyone who is serious about staying in the race needs to start hitting back now and tweeting pictures of the Fonz ain't going to cut it.


Agreed. It's going to get ugly in the Republican party, whether Trump maintains his momentum or not. We'll have infighting in the GOP with mud being slung from the establishment if Trump wins some early primaries and if he doesn't then Trump will start the attacks. Either way Hillary is probably doing the right thing by withdrawing from the war of words. Why try and destroy the opposition whilst they do it themselves.


What I don't understand is why Cruz doesn't stand up for himself more forcefully. Why does he let Trump get away with questioning his Christian right credentials? Why doesn't he say something like "I'm a real American and furthermore I'm a real conservative, not some mobbed up New York playboy adulterer who might be a pro-abortion stealth liberal Democrat."

I know these guys all think they might be able to win and they don't want to offend the Trump voters but they're not looking at the new reality. It's not like the Trump supporters are going to vote for Hillary in the general election anyway. A lot of them might not be likely voters in the first place.



posted on Jan, 8 2016 @ 05:53 AM
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originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: DelMarvel
And what''s funny is that McCain is now piling on, too. Because Cruz is as much a despised jerk as Trump among Republican leadership.

I wonder when the rest of these jamokes are going to figure out the gloves are off. Forget any fantasy of Trump fading away, politely withdrawing and giving a nice endorsement speech at the convention. He's going to stick around to the end and if he were to start losing he will say or do anything to stick the others in the back.

Anyone who is serious about staying in the race needs to start hitting back now and tweeting pictures of the Fonz ain't going to cut it.


Agreed. It's going to get ugly in the Republican party, whether Trump maintains his momentum or not. We'll have infighting in the GOP with mud being slung from the establishment if Trump wins some early primaries and if he doesn't then Trump will start the attacks. Either way Hillary is probably doing the right thing by withdrawing from the war of words. Why try and destroy the opposition whilst they do it themselves.


What I don't understand is why Cruz doesn't stand up for himself more forcefully. Why does he let Trump get away with questioning his Christian right credentials? Why doesn't he say something like "I'm a real American and furthermore I'm a real conservative, not some mobbed up New York playboy adulterer who might be a pro-abortion stealth liberal Democrat."

I know these guys all think they might be able to win and they don't want to offend the Trump voters but they're not looking at the new reality. It's not like the Trump supporters are going to vote for Hillary in the general election anyway. A lot of them might not be likely voters in the first place.


I dont think Cruz feels like there is a need to attack Trump, mainly because he does not see him as a threat right now. The articles I have read (and I am careful to sift out the views of people who just attack Trump based on emotion) suggest that Trump has a ceiling that means he is never going to push beyond his current levels - and that is not enough to win (especially with the delegate allocation rules in play). Trump has done a good job in exciting and engaging the segment of the population that are sick to the back teeth of establishment poiliticians, but at some point his base is going to run out of headroom. The suggestion right now is that he is at his celing. Once candidates start dropping out the remaining candidates are going to close in on Trump. If you look at Carsons decline, it's pretty obvious his supporters are switching to Cruz in the main, for example. Once Carson falls, there is more headroom there for Cruz.

If Cruz attacked Trump now he is only likely to damage the GOP further and possibly get himself embroiled in arguments he doesn't need, but more importantly alienate Trump supporters that he needs once Trump drops away.

I think his strategy of going after Rubio is the right one, i.e. Carson falls, votes come to Cruz, leave Trump alone and wait, then pick up his support as he was not the one attacking him, focus on positioning Cruz as Mister Establishment and cut off his chances of gains from Trump and Carson voters.




edit on 8/1/2016 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)

edit on 8/1/2016 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 8 2016 @ 06:08 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian



Donald Trump calls Ted Cruz’s birth in Canada a ‘problem’


It is. I mean... think about it for a moment.

Now then, imagine that Cruz gets elected and then, try to imagine the democrat/socialist left NOT trying to use it to see him unseated.

Would common sense NOT say to see it cleared BEFORE the election?

Hmmm...



posted on Jan, 8 2016 @ 06:10 AM
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What I don't understand is why Cruz doesn't stand up for himself more forcefully. Why does he let Trump get away with questioning his Christian right credentials? Why doesn't he say something like "I'm a real American and furthermore I'm a real conservative, not some mobbed up New York playboy adulterer who might be a pro-abortion stealth liberal Democrat."

I know these guys all think they might be able to win and they don't want to offend the Trump voters but they're not looking at the new reality. It's not like the Trump supporters are going to vote for Hillary in the general election anyway. A lot of them might not be likely voters in the first place.


My opinion: Right now Trump is the center of attention. Anything he says gets publicity. Trump has made Cruz's name more and more recognizable in the last few days. Add to that, people either don't like Trump and will doubt anything he says (which benefits Cruz) or they like Trump with the caveat that they don't take everything he says as 100% credible because he is not polished (which can benefit Cruz, so long as a similar non-polished response is used.)

Add to that, people like Trump because he's an outsider and hated by the establishment. The same people tend to have a positive opinion of Cruz because he's not an establishment insider, and also not favored by mainstream GOP. This won't give Trump's statements a lot of traction.

Personally, my biggest quibble on the entire citizenship debate has been for people born with dual citizenship. My understanding of citizenship laws was that a USA Natural Born Citizen can only be a citizen to the USA. I didn't (and still don't) think Obama was a valid candidate because he has British citizenship from his father and so far as I know he never renounced it. For his part, Cruz was born with USA and Canadian citizenship but has renounced his Canadian citizenship.

Regardless, that ship has sailed thanks to Obama voters. They can't call out Cruz for his validity unless they want to look like total hypocrites. Oh wait, never mind. That's never stopped them before...



posted on Jan, 8 2016 @ 11:25 AM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu


What I don't understand is why Cruz doesn't stand up for himself more forcefully. Why does he let Trump get away with questioning his Christian right credentials? Why doesn't he say something like "I'm a real American and furthermore I'm a real conservative, not some mobbed up New York playboy adulterer who might be a pro-abortion stealth liberal Democrat."

I know these guys all think they might be able to win and they don't want to offend the Trump voters but they're not looking at the new reality. It's not like the Trump supporters are going to vote for Hillary in the general election anyway. A lot of them might not be likely voters in the first place.
I didn't (and still don't) think Obama was a valid candidate because he has British citizenship from his father and so far as I know he never renounced it. For his part, Cruz was born with USA and Canadian citizenship but has renounced his Canadian citizenship.

Regardless, that ship has sailed thanks to Obama voters. They can't call out Cruz for his validity unless they want to look like total hypocrites. Oh wait, never mind. That's never stopped them before...


Obama was born in the United States. That makes him a natural born citizen. End of story.

I've got no problem with Cruz running but he WAS born in Canada to a woman who may or may not have been a U.S. citizen and to a father who was not. That makes his situation identical to or worse than the (false) hypothetical of Obama being born in Kenya to an American mother which people have been screaming about for years.

The hypocrites are all the Republican birthers who are silent about this, not any Democrats pointing out the irony. There aren't really many Democrats who have commented seriously on this anyway. Just Trump saying they might. That doesn't make it true.



posted on Jan, 8 2016 @ 01:35 PM
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If it was a Dem running and he gave up his Russian dual citizenship would Reps be saying the same thing ? Natural born , dual citizenship...OK.

You ever wonder how someone can read the 2nd Amendment and come up with a different take on what it means.



posted on Jan, 8 2016 @ 10:36 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Trump consistent on this issue? No.

Late last year Trump claimed he had Ted "checked out" by legal experts and he turned up fine:


“Do you still think he’s ineligible to be president because he was born in Canada?” ABC’s Jon Karl asked in September.

“No, from what I understand everything is fine,” Trump said. “I hear it was checked out by every attorney and every which way and I understand Ted is in fine shape.”

www.mediaite.com...

Prior to that Trump had been going on about Obama's eligibility, even though his mother was american born like Teds. He never admitted to being wrong in his position, he just did a complete flip then and said Ted was fine in terms of eligibility. He obviously didn't want to lose potential new supporters to his fold who were Teddy supporters as well.

Now Iowa is upon us and Ted is in the lead there. He brings up that there's a 'problem' with Ted's eligibility again...? But he had Ted checked out by every attorney though??

He's a hypocrite. Text book definition of one.



posted on Jan, 8 2016 @ 11:48 PM
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originally posted by: Southern Guardian

He's a hypocrite. Text book definition of one.


It really goes beyond that.

He can say anything he wants and there is a significant number of Americans who will go along with him no matter what.

I've never seen anything like this and I've been following politics since 68.

I don't think even Ronald Reagan at the peak of his popularity could have gotten away with this. It's scary.



posted on Jan, 8 2016 @ 11:51 PM
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Here is the conspiracy.

Before now, "natural born citizen" meant being born in the US or on US soil.

But Cruz will win the presidency in order to legitimize Obama when it comes out that he was actually born in Kenya.

But by then, it won't matter, because instead of being born on US soil, it now means being born by a US mother.

Cruz is going to be president to legitimize Obama.



posted on Jan, 8 2016 @ 11:58 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
Here is the conspiracy.

Before now, "natural born citizen" meant being born in the US or on US soil.


care to show us that definition somewhere valid?


But Cruz will win the presidency in order to legitimize Obama when it comes out that he was actually born in Kenya.


What makes you claim Cruz was born in Kenya?


Cruz is going to be president to legitimize Obama.


Obama is already the legitimate POTUS....



posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 12:05 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
But Cruz will win the presidency in order to legitimize Obama when it comes out that he was actually born in Kenya.
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When is that going to be? Sometime before UFO Disclosure?



posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 12:05 AM
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a reply to: hellobruce

I remember all the talk when Obama ran. I wouldn't trust anything on the internet, but the next time I hit a bookstore or the library, I'll look up the definition in anything printed before 2000.

Natural born citizen meant being born in the US or on US soil.

At least it used to.

Why all the trouble about Obama releasing his birth certificate when his mother was a US citizen? He could have been born anywhere, because his mother was a US citizen. But that wasn't the narrative nor was it the discussion back when Obama was running.

it's a conspiracy!



posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 12:07 AM
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a reply to: DelMarvel

It's my conspiracy theory.

It's my first.

. . . . . . . . be gentle. . . . .



posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 12:46 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Just curious DBCowboy, do you think Obama and Cruz are eligible to be president? Do you agree with the OPs sources, that they're natural born citizens under the constitution?



posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 12:50 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

If memory serves, natural born citizen "used" to mean being born in the US or on US soil. At least, that was the argument waaaay back 7 years ago.

Now?

Natural born citizen just means having a mother who is a US citizen.

I find that curious.



posted on Jan, 9 2016 @ 01:01 AM
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Why not answer my question direct?

a reply to: DBCowboy


If memory serves, natural born citizen "used" to mean being born in the US or on US soil. At least, that was the argument waaaay back 7 years ago.


So you don't believe Cruz is eligible to be president because a natural born citizen is somebody born on US soil, correct?

Am I wrong here? This is not what you believe? I'm having trouble understanding your position on this matter because you, like many others on here, seem reluctant to say where you stand.

Maybe you're not sure? Is that it?



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