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Trump campaign says proposed UK ban over Muslim remarks 'a dangerous precedent'

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posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 10:48 AM
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a reply to: uncommitted




Why do you agree to a statement that is false?

Because it isn't.
What has Trump said to warrant him being banned from this country ?
Muslims should temporarily be banned from entering the U.S ?
Some parts of London are no go areas for police ?
Mexico should pay for his security wall ?

He has said nothing to incite hate or violence unlike the fundamentalist speakers who have been banned from entering this country , he has stated his opinion and if to you that is grounds for a ban then that's your opinion.



If you think this country is so politically correct because the humour of 70's era Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson et al is no longer in vogue then you might want to wonder exactly why that is.

No , I don't think this country is so politically correct because their humour.
I was a kid so more interested in the Muppets and Fraggle Rock , I think this country is so politically correct because of politicians implementing laws that shut down freedom of speech and socially engineering a society that dare not speak it's mind for fear of offending someone , the recent frenzy over Tyson Fury's inclusion in sports personality of the year is testiment to that.

I disagree with most of what Trump says but I defend his right to say it.


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posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 10:53 AM
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a reply to: flammadraco




Ok, well I'm saying 1% of the UK population signed a petition in agreement with Trump's views and it should be given the same amount off credence as the petition we are discussing in this thread.


AHHHHH


IT WAS

Here is the Link to it!

There was a response by the government:



The UK government will not close Britain’s borders. It will ensure access for legitimate travellers and trade whilst operating its borders securely to protect the public from the threat of terrorism.


Then there was a closely related petition in October "Stop allowing immigrants into the UK" which was actually given a debate in parliament (link)

In fact petitions regarding stopping immigration come up all the time, immigration into the UK has been hotly debated over the last year its had loads of coverage so has ISIS.



I'm more shocked that the number of UK members in this thread that didn't even know about the other petition but suppose we can blame our lefty media for that!!


These petitions are plastered all over Social media and anyone who wants to can sign up to them with just a click of a mouse, our "lefty" media has nothing to do with this one really.

Honestly this line of debate is going nowhere when you seem to be insistent on discussing a totally separate petition.
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posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 11:25 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

My point, which may have been lost (my fault) is there are several folk in the UK that agreed with Trump's view and signed the petition. The same amount of folk signed both petitions, which shows that despite what the likes of the BBC want to portray about the UK's populace views on Trump, he has the same amount of haters and supporters, which is probably the same in the U.S.

I agree with your point regarding these petitions and Social Media. IMHO these petitions are a waste of time as the Trial, Judge and Jury (aka Facebook) whips folk up into a frenzy and signing petitions is just a "click of the mouse".



posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 11:28 AM
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a reply to: flammadraco

True there are probably a lot of people in the UK who agree with trumps views, we have lots of right wing groups that probably get all giddy just thinking about what trump said.

I would though add to your point that half a million have so far signed this petition and I bet that number will now rise yet only 40'000 have singed the petition against it.



posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 11:33 AM
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a reply to: flammadraco

The petition you keep highlighting is about refugees.

Trumps rhetoric is about every Muslim outside of the US.


It's a false equivalence.



Edit: Wrong.
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posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 11:35 AM
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originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: flammadraco

Lol, I understand but it still would be funny from a slightly competitive (in good light) view if you all did ban a potential president or a president, one more for America


To be honest we are just trolling you guys as we know it will (and its has) pissed of a few trumpeters



posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 11:37 AM
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originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: DeathSlayer

He should be free to travel wherever he chooses,



So Mexicans can freely Travel into the USA? Any undocumented person from the ME?

Cause no Trump does not have a RIGHT to travel to the UK. Our borders our rules and we can deny entry to anyone for any reason.



posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 11:38 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: uncommitted




Why do you agree to a statement that is false?

Because it isn't.
What has Trump said to warrant him being banned from this country ?
Muslims should temporarily be banned from entering the U.S ?
Some parts of London are no go areas for police ?
Mexico should pay for his security wall ?

He has said nothing to incite hate or violence unlike the fundamentalist speakers who have been banned from entering this country , he has stated his opinion and if to you that is grounds for a ban then that's your opinion.



If you think this country is so politically correct because the humour of 70's era Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson et al is no longer in vogue then you might want to wonder exactly why that is.

No , I don't think this country is so politically correct because their humour.
I was a kid so more interested in the Muppets and Fraggle Rock , I think this country is so politically correct because of politicians implementing laws that shut down freedom of speech and socially engineering a society that dare not speak it's mind for fear of offending someone , the recent frenzy over Tyson Fury's inclusion in sports personality of the year is testiment to that.

I disagree with most of what Trump says but I defend his right to say it.



The statement was false because if (big if) Trump was banned from entering the UK it wouldn't be a precedent, the statement said it would be a precedent - the argument fairly much stops there doesn't it? Here you are, just to show you that I can show that -

en.wikipedia.org...
You say he's done nothing to incite hate? So, you agree that most of the Mexican immigrants to America are crooks and rapists? Fine, seems a little like condemning a race, although I'm sure he would make use of their (low paid) labour as and when it suits him.

What has Tyson Fury got to do with politicians or social engineering? He made a comment that frankly would have been a punchline in a Bernard Manning/Jim Davidson 'joke' back in the day when it was deemed ok to consider women suitable only for cooking or.... erm, a very similar sounding word. Many people found both offensive and frankly pathetic - that's not social engineering, it's social evolution if anything.

Which parts of London are no go areas for the police by the way? And bear in mind Trump made that comment based on his assertion that they were no go areas due to Sharia law being in operation (woeful ignorance).

I also defend his right to say what he wants - I'd just prefer it if he said it in America.
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posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 11:42 AM
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Oh geez, this is hilarious. Trump talks about banning all Muslims from entering the USA despite them having done nothing wrong, he's lauded by the Trumpers as a hero.

The UK talks about banning one man on the grounds that he promotes hate-speech, and Trumpers lose their cool.

Brilliant.



It's not 'interfering in US politics', the UK has laws about not allowing extremists who spread hate-speech into the country. This law has been applied to Islamic clerics in the past to block them, it is only right and proper that it be applied equally to all sides of the spectrum.



posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 11:44 AM
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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

It's not a false equivalence Charlie!

Look at the wording on the petition I refer to regarding ISIS. The petition is asking the government to stop all immigration until ISIS has been defeated. Is this not exactly what Trump said in a round about way??



posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 11:44 AM
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a reply to: Painterz



Oh geez, this is hilarious. Trump talks about banning all Muslims from entering the USA despite them having done nothing wrong, he's lauded by the Trumpers as a hero.

The UK talks about banning one man on the grounds that he promotes hate-speech, and Trumpers lose their cool.

Brilliant.


Hilarious, when you look at it this way its very funny

Just like another Trump advocate who on this thread said that Trump has the right to go where ever he wants.... so basically because he's not a Mexican???



posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 11:50 AM
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originally posted by: Painterz
Oh geez, this is hilarious. Trump talks about banning all Muslims from entering the USA despite them having done nothing wrong, he's lauded by the Trumpers as a hero.

The UK talks about banning one man on the grounds that he promotes hate-speech, and Trumpers lose their cool.

Brilliant.



It's not 'interfering in US politics', the UK has laws about not allowing extremists who spread hate-speech into the country. This law has been applied to Islamic clerics in the past to block them, it is only right and proper that it be applied equally to all sides of the spectrum.


I want a ban now just to troll them


What do Donald Trump and a baby have in common? They both whine alot!


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posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 11:54 AM
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a reply to: uncommitted




The statement was false because if (big if) Trump was banned from entering the UK it wouldn't be a precedent, the statement said it would be a precedent

You don't think banning a prospective presidential candidate from entering this country for no good reason would be unprecedented ?



You say he's done nothing to incite hate? So, you agree that most of the Mexican immigrants to America are crooks and rapists? Fine, seems a little like condemning a race, although I'm sure he would make use of their (low paid) labour as and when it suits him.

Small beans really , hardly inciting hate , more racial stereotyping if anything.



What has Tyson Fury got to do with politicians or social engineering?

Not a lot other than the media storm cooked up by the things he said is similar to the one here , Facebook and Twitter users were incensed so a petition was started for that too.



posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 12:16 PM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: uncommitted




The statement was false because if (big if) Trump was banned from entering the UK it wouldn't be a precedent, the statement said it would be a precedent

You don't think banning a prospective presidential candidate from entering this country for no good reason would be unprecedented ?



You say he's done nothing to incite hate? So, you agree that most of the Mexican immigrants to America are crooks and rapists? Fine, seems a little like condemning a race, although I'm sure he would make use of their (low paid) labour as and when it suits him.

Small beans really , hardly inciting hate , more racial stereotyping if anything.



What has Tyson Fury got to do with politicians or social engineering?

Not a lot other than the media storm cooked up by the things he said is similar to the one here , Facebook and Twitter users were incensed so a petition was started for that too.



He may be at some point a prospective presidential candidate So what, if his views are socially divisive then he should be reviewed as to whether we should allow him into our country. Perhaps we have enough bigots of our own. I personally didn't sign the petition as I'd rather he did come so we could all see his distorted views debated and exposed for the pathetic man he is. Having said that, I applaud the fact so many people did register their protest.

Racial stereotyping is fine then is it if that stereotyping suggests the majority of Mexicans are crooks and rapists? Nice, you don't think that incites hate? Do you have a warm fuzzy feel for people whom (in your words) a prospective presidential candidate describes as such?

So you agree with Tyson Fury's statement about the only things women are good for then and don't agree with people who found his statements either offensive, pathetic and not being fit for anyone given a public voice - do you think such comments are merely 'banter'? Many people use Facebook and Twitter to share their feelings, just as a fraction of those post in ATS to vent their own personal angst - not sure what your point is?



posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: crazyewok
I really want trump banned now as I am really enjoying seeing the butt hurt yanks getting all indignant


You explain very well why indignation works so well in the grand scheme of things, and why people that go over board trying to convince people that the only reason that there is no peace and harmony in the world, is they are selfish, xenophobic, racist and bigoted. That they should happily and generously, give up their old stagnant ways, and beliefs, and should allow all peoples from all nations, into their homes without fear of life, limb, liberties, property, livelihood or reprisal.

It only make those they are preaching to, dig their heels in a little deeper, and fosters hate, where there was none before.

Funny how that works.



posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 12:25 PM
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I strongly dislike Trump, but he does have a point in this case.

Also if they want to ban him from the country because of his comments, why arent they banning others who have done far worse?

Again I hate that mop headed man, ugh how his wife stands to touch him is beyond me, but i digress



posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 12:27 PM
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originally posted by: AlienSupernova
I strongly dislike Trump, but he does have a point in this case.

Also if they want to ban him from the country because of his comments, why arent they banning others who have done far worse?

Again I hate that mop headed man, ugh how his wife stands to touch him is beyond me, but i digress


We have been banning other non UK citziens though.



posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 12:27 PM
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He may be at some point a prospective presidential candidate So what

He is currently a prospective presidential candidate , if he's selected he will be a presidential candidate.



if his views are socially divisive then he should be reviewed as to whether we should allow him into our country.

They aren't socially divisive they're just right wing views being spouted by an out of touch billionaire , he has said nothing to warrant a ban.



So you agree with Tyson Fury's statement about the only things women are good for then and don't agree with people who found his statements either offensive, pathetic and not being fit for anyone given a public voice - do you

Now we're just going in circles , I don't have to agree with what someone says to believe they have the right to say it.
This is a non-story and the petition is just silly , tomorrows fish and chip paper.


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posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 12:33 PM
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There's a fundamental divide between euro and American culture. In America if we recognize an issue well take care of it, alpha stuff. In Europe if Muslims are found to be raping your women you sign a petition to keep out the guy who would kick out the Muslims. It's the reason US has like a million gold medals and UK a handful. Alphas v betas. Huge divide in cultures



posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 12:55 PM
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originally posted by: mikemelo6141
There's a fundamental divide between euro and American culture. In America if we recognize an issue well take care of it, alpha stuff. In Europe if Muslims are found to be raping your women you sign a petition to keep out the guy who would kick out the Muslims. It's the reason US has like a million gold medals and UK a handful. Alphas v betas. Huge divide in cultures


And in Europe we have simple words to explain views such as yours simply.

In English that word is "Bollocks"







 
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