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originally posted by: singingbones
First, they all failed in numerous ways. That means that the original trilogy ultimately led to failure for them. Divorce, going back into a life of crime, and quitting your life's ambition. Some would call them all losers now. Talk about raping my childhood.
originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: Danowski
In the last week I would have been lucky if I watched more than 5 hours of TV.
I still feel exactly the same...
originally posted by: Profusion
WARNING: THREAD CONTAINS SPOILERS
Here's a very rough and very brief sketch off the top of my head:
1. Han Solo, Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia
First, they all failed in numerous ways. That means that the original trilogy ultimately led to failure for them. Divorce, allowing your child (or pupil) to become extremely evil, going back into a life of crime, and quitting your life's ambition. Some would call them all losers now. Talk about raping my childhood.
This is a bizarre perspective, but I understand some people like to apply the worst moments of a person's (or character's) life as if it entirely defines their experience and their very being. However, I think it is clear and obvious that the characters were not intended to portray infallible Gods, but human beings, with weaknesses, challenges and failings.
2. Kylo Ren
Petulant child, no self-control but the message is that that doesn't matter because he's one of the highest-level leaders in his organization. The main message to children here: You don't need to grow up to be successful.
It seems to me more like he's a tortured and torn soul, and accomplishes little to nothing when he lashes out in anger
You can leave an unjust situation out of your own volition but if you do, you'll be hunted down in a brutal way. I can still see the shot of Rey offering Finn her hand in my mind's eye.
What's the subliminal message? The black person needs a white person's help. And of course, the black character was one of the first to die, old movie cliche.
I was going to simply reply to this with, "Han Solo is White", but yeah...Blueracer addressed this perfectly, without being a smart(butt) like me. I do find it strange that you thought he died at all, let alone being the first to die. Are you sure you watched the movie at all?
4. Supreme Leader Snoke
Subliminal messages: The bad guy is ugly, the bad is obviously evil. I believe that's programming so people won't see what the Bible warns people about: "Satan disguises himself as an angel of light." Program people to think that supremely evil people look hideous and are obviously evil. You may argue that Kylo Ren was played by a handsome actor thus breaking that rule. I would say that was a different message altogether: You can be evil and good looking and attractive too. They've got it all covered.
I might agree with you on the point that "evil" is typically portrayed as "ugly", and possibly to ingrain it in the collective consciousness for the eventual reason of General Satan and his Beautiful Demonic Army to trick us all. The rest basically says, "they're saying that evil people can either be good looking or not good looking"...ok...
I could go on but I see no point.
originally posted by: Puppylove
I'll be honest, I didn't like Fen, he seemed like comic relief and poor acting. I couldn't get into his character, he made the movie feel like a bad saturday night live skit. Which is upsetting, his role could have been a good one.
As to why this is potentially conspiracy. Star Wars is probably one of the biggest roles a person can get at this point. So what do we get for a black skinned actor? Someone with poor talent that feels out of place and is a hard character to take seriously. Disney is known for racism in the past, therefor it's plausible that a poor actor in an unbelievable role was chosen specifically for this reason. Personally I'd like to believe Disney has moved past the Dumbo days and it was just a bad actor choice.
Then again, which I think is more likely, I just can't stand many of these younger actors and am just getting old. Almost every role I see new young actors in these days feel like bad skits... The girl was the only one I kinda liked. Well her and Han and Leia and chewy... well til the end. Then again the old crew weren't exactly young so they don't really count.