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Anti-Government Extremist Groups Are A Uniquely American Problem

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posted on Jan, 22 2016 @ 01:02 PM
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I think the biggest "anti" government organizations are governments.

Just look at how they have manipulated original laws and Constitutions and trampled on Human Rights.





posted on Jan, 22 2016 @ 01:07 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse



Stating that socialist policies tend to lead to more and more socialist policies, and this leaves a door open to communism is different to claiming "all liberals are commies"...

The only ones who have always used the "oh yeah us liberals are commies" stupid comments are people like yourself who try to stop any discussion of this trend of socialist policies leading to more socialism and then communism...

As for "hater"... Difference of opinion does not equal to hatred... But again, you obviously don't seem to know the difference.

Now look at your next response, an insult... Nice going there.

Wow.

Hm...backed into a corner, are you? You have stated dozens of times that anything smacking of socialism WILL LEAD TO COMMUNISM. And it just isn't true.
You keep saying it, and it keeps not being true. It is false.

How do you feel about Cuba being back in the USA's good graces?
(just wondering)

How do you respond to the FUNCTIONING WESTERN WORLD's success in implementing Democratic Socialism when what you want is to demonize it???? Canada, the UK, the Scandinavian countries, and others (even Saudi Arabia! and India!) ----

what's wrong with having public schools, universal health care, infrastructure maintenance, education through grade 16, social security for the disabled, the elderly, the widowed and orphaned, the schoolkids getting at least ONE MEAL per day, free community clinics where walk-ins are welcome and treated regardless of ability to pay, domestic violence shelters, etc......

What is WRONG with that?
I just don't see it, whatever it is you see.



posted on Jan, 22 2016 @ 02:03 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs

erm....seriously?


Yes...seriously...


originally posted by: BuzzyWigs

no.
"leaning to the right" is a whole different thing. I (and the SPLC) are talking about people like Westboro Baptist Church, Bundy types who take over a federal building with weapons, etc.


Wrong, I posted directly from the SPLC website the following...


Ron Paul’s New Organization Reportedly Stacked with Extremists

by Ryan Lenz

April 26, 2013

Ron Paul, the libertarian former Texas congressman whose hard-line views are widely admired on the radical right but who claims to reject racism, [bhas started a new organization stacked with a hodgepodge of far-right extremists.

As The Daily Beast reported yesterday, the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity is ostensibly designed to promote a discourse about U.S. foreign policy. But its advisory board is stacked with what writer James Kirchik characterized as “a bevy of conspiracy theorists, cranks, and apologists for some of the worst regimes on the planet.

And just who are the far-right luminaries helping guide Pauls new endeavor?

One is Lew Rockwell, Paul’s former congressional chief of staff who now heads the Ludwig von Mises Institute, an Auburn, Ala., think tank with deep ties to the neo-Confederate movement. Theres Judge Andrew Napolitano of Fox News and journalist Eric Margolis, both 9/11trutherswho suspect that the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks may have been orchestrated by the government.

And alongside them sits Butler Shaffer, a Southwestern Law School professor who similarly once asked:In light of the lies, forgeries, cover-ups, and other deceptions leading to awar in Iraq, how can any intellectually honest person categorically deny the possibility of the involvement of American political interest in 9/11?
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www.splcenter.org...

and...


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CNSNews.com asked Beirich about their designation of the Family Research Council as a hate group.

I think theres a common misunderstanding about the way you get on our Hate List. We post groups on the basis of ideology, not whether theyre violent or not,” she replied.
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www.cnsnews.com...

The above statement was made by SPLC’s Intelligence Project Director Heidi Beirich.


originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
"leaning right" is a bland and rather meaningless term that I would apply (if pressed) to those who are not rabid in their views. Someone who says, "Well, I can relate to what Christ Christie says, but also Bernie has some good points."

That is not EXTREMISM.
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Oh, so people have to agree with Bernie Sanders in order not to be "extremists" in your opinion... How the hell are Bernie Sander's points of view right leaning?... His points of view are left leaning to socialism, so you are actually agreeing with the assertion that right leaning Americans are "extremists and even possible terrorists" just like the SPLC and the Obama administration claim...


edit on 22-1-2016 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Jan, 22 2016 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Oh, so people have to agree with Bernie Sanders in order not to be "extremists" in your opinion... How the hell are Bernie Sander's points of view right leaning?... His points of view are left leaning to socialism, so you are actually agreeing with the assertion that right leaning Americans are "extremists and even possible terrorists" just like the SPLC and the Obama administration claim...


Oh FOR GOD'S SAKE!!! Bernie is not "right leaning". He's also NOT A COMMUNIST!!!!!

What a ridiculous premise. I was talking about people who are able to listen to both sides....How about this: I like SOME of what Rand Paul is saying, and also SOME of what Chris Christie is saying, and SOME of what Kasich is saying........

- but - I'm still paying attention to what Bernie says.


Yeah.

End of chat.


You are ridiculous.


edit on 1/22/2016 by BuzzyWigs because: REALLY ridiculous



posted on Jan, 22 2016 @ 07:36 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs

Oh FOR GOD'S SAKE!!! Bernie is not "right leaning". He's also NOT A COMMUNIST!!!!!


Of course he is not right leaning, and I didn't say he is a communist but he leans towards socialism heavily. He is in fact a socialist.



originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
What a ridiculous premise. I was talking about people who are able to listen to both sides....How about this: I like SOME of what Rand Paul is saying, and also SOME of what Chris Christie is saying, and SOME of what Kasich is saying........

- but - I'm still paying attention to what Bernie says.


Yeah.

End of chat.


You are ridiculous.


That's not what the SPLC is saying. If people lean politically to the right, people are bunched together as "extremists/radicals and possible terrorists". They are even claiming, alongside the Obama administration that such right-wing views are a threat to the nation, which is bs.

BTW, why is it that you didn't notice the fact that during his 30 years Bernie has been flip-flopping in his stance on several policies?

Election 2016: Bernie Sanders’ Conflicting Policies; Guns, Energy, Defense, Immigration Views Draw Scrutiny

Sanders just tells you what you want to hear... nothing more...




edit on 22-1-2016 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Jan, 22 2016 @ 07:56 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Dude, I really don't care about the label they use. The point is that these groups are more numerous during Democratic presidencies rather than Republican presidencies. Why is the government only overreaching during Democratic presidencies? As I pointed out earlier in the thread, many big name overreaching policies were enacted during Republican presidencies too. TSA, Patriot Act, torturing prisoners of war, etc. To me this says that these "anti-government groups" or "patriot groups" (if you prefer) aren't what they claim to be. What I see is just a bunch of partisan idiots pretending to care about government overreach when THEIR guy isn't in charge.


I know of plenty of people who saw through both Bush's flavor of tyranny while the Bush's and those in congress paraded under that flag. And it isn't about their guy not being in charge at all. Under Obama, (a murderer of women and children, far more than Bush was), have been so many examples of government overreach to choose from, I'm surprised there hasn't been much more patriot events sooner. And hearing you or anyone say these things just happen when a democrat is in office is ludicrous and out of touch, which is putting it mildly.

Whatever their plans have been, it has been done with both republicans inner circles, and the elitist liberals together in an effort to undermine freedoms and liberties to the extreme in concert. George W's last action before leaving office was to increase all immigration fees times 10 of what they were so that no immigrants to even afford too get legal before coming. Maybe this has been a plan all along, to lead to this amnesty stuff and the goal? To entrench and consolidate power away from people and give it to larger growing government which was the Bush plan same as the Obama plans have been.
There has been no difference, and for more proof they are acting in collusion together, look at how Obama reversed course on all promises that he made in pretended opposition to Bush, and after winning the election, took the Bush baton pass and doubled down on all Bush actions even further.

The things that are happening, are happening no matter if there is a republican or a democrat in office.

It's nice to have a theory and all, but this is a non partisan effort to replace "we the people" with "the elite few" in tyrannical laws, executive orders, and boucoup regulations up the ying yang. The amount of corruption was bad enough under Bush's, but when they saw how easy it was to take away our country from us, they really have went for broke under Obama, but it is the same bloody team working against us all.



posted on Jan, 22 2016 @ 08:11 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: ElectricUniverse





Oh FOR GOD'S SAKE!!! Bernie is not "right leaning". He's also NOT A COMMUNIST!!!!! What a ridiculous premise. I was talking about people who are able to listen to both sides....How about this: I like SOME of what Rand Paul is saying, and also SOME of what Chris Christie is saying, and SOME of what Kasich is saying........




Bernie is so far left he is indeed a commie. Have you seen the cost of his plans? 20 trillion dollars! Who is going to pay for that, you? Your grand kids, their kids, or their grand kids? How about their grand kid's grand kids? No, it will take much longer than that to repay all that money, and the country will crash and burn to ground under another commie like Bernie. It is there now.
With social programs of the magnitude under Obama and then add to that more than double what Obama has spent, our future offspring will be so enslaved to the STATE they won't be able to piss without paying a big effing tax. Grow up and read a few books or something.
edit on 22-1-2016 by NoCorruptionAllowed because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 24 2016 @ 12:37 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: SlapMonkey

Assault with a wooden spoon?

Nah. My mom is half German (so was my dad) - and that spoon waving in the air was enough to stop us fussing.



Well, my mom is 1/2 Italian, 1/2 German, so there you go.



posted on Jan, 26 2016 @ 06:50 AM
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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Dude, I really don't care about the label they use. The point is that these groups are more numerous during Democratic presidencies rather than Republican presidencies. Why is the government only overreaching during Democratic presidencies? As I pointed out earlier in the thread, many big name overreaching policies were enacted during Republican presidencies too. TSA, Patriot Act, torturing prisoners of war, etc. To me this says that these "anti-government groups" or "patriot groups" (if you prefer) aren't what they claim to be. What I see is just a bunch of partisan idiots pretending to care about government overreach when THEIR guy isn't in charge.


I know of plenty of people who saw through both Bush's flavor of tyranny while the Bush's and those in congress paraded under that flag. And it isn't about their guy not being in charge at all. Under Obama, (a murderer of women and children, far more than Bush was), have been so many examples of government overreach to choose from, I'm surprised there hasn't been much more patriot events sooner. And hearing you or anyone say these things just happen when a democrat is in office is ludicrous and out of touch, which is putting it mildly.


Ok. Fair enough. Name some active groups that existed during Republican Presidencies. Because I can't think of any, but if you have a few I'm willing to concede that point.



posted on Jan, 27 2016 @ 06:40 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse


BTW, why is it that you didn't notice the fact that during his 30 years Bernie has been flip-flopping in his stance on several policies?

What's "to notice"?? Do you still think exactly the same way you did 30 years ago? (If you even existed then?)
I don't.
Thirty years ago was 30 years ago.

So - your point is moot.
Times change. People change. People learn, and get experience, and observe, and grow, and their opinion changes. Circumstances change, society changes, etc.



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