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originally posted by: charlyv
Occasionally, when I have some time to kill, I like thinking of scenarios that could have taken place in the construction of the Money Pit. One came up the other day that is a bit disturbing, as it would mean the the treasure has long been recovered.
The thing that bothers me about the whole story, is the the initial account of how Daniel McGinnis came upon the clearing on the hill. He came across a curious circular depression in the ground. Standing over this depression was a tree whose branches were cut and reportedly, there was block and tackle hanging over the area from a large oak branch.
Now, think about this for a moment... With all the work, secrecy and planning that must have been involved by those that built this structure... why would you leave such evidence behind?
Is it possible, that this was the egress point, where the treasure was removed, and not a hole that was dug down... but dug upward? In McGinnis's account, two feet below the surface they came across of layer of flagstones covering the pit. At 10 feet down they ran into a layer of oak logs spanning the pit. Again at 20 feet and 30 feet they found the same thing, a layer of logs and so-on until it flooded.
I wonder if the actual treasure was in the area between the flagstones and the first platform.
This would mean the the original tunnel was started somewhere else, perhaps in the swamp area. It would have been dug on an angle downward towards the hill and then straight up. The log platforms could have been part of the cribbing for the vertical shaft, as they dug upward, the treasure was secured on the platforms they would build, and from there just keep going up until about 10 feet from the surface, where they deposited the treasure on the last platform and roofed it with flagstones.
This also means that they had a way of going back down. When first excavated, so much damage was done digging out the money pit that that perhaps they missed a side shaft adjacent to the piles of log platforms where the builders could have had ladders and pulley systems to hoist the treasure, and when done, just back out. This would have left a completely undisturbed area, with no signs of any digging.
Once back at the original downward shaft, they put in the booby traps from the swamp and cove at a higher angle upward to intersect the vertical shaft, but still below sea level. it was not meant to trap anyone digging down, but prevent anyone that had found the original entrance from getting any higher. It would mean that the original entrance may be in the swamp area, and they build a coffer dam to temporarily keep the sea away from the excavation. Once completed, they removed the coffer dam and let the swamp area fill in with water, covering everything.
The triangle stones and markers that were found point to the money pit. Why would they point to a place that was not designed to retrieve the treasure? That was where they would come back, erect a pulley system, dig down 10 or so feet and retrieve it.
After being retrieved, they could probably care less what the site looked like other than to fill back in the first 10 feet of soil. They would not care about removing the pulley block and tackle or any other evidence, because they had what they were after. It would make sense that there would be a depression in the ground as well.
Additionally, having the excavation area at or near sea level, in the swamp area, would have made it much easier to dump the fill removed from the tunnels into the ocean, instead of dragging it all down the hill, towards Smith's cover and then dump it farther out to sea.
Anyway, developing this scenario was an exercise in trying to come up with a reason why it has been so hard to find. Perhaps it is long gone... I kind of hope that is not the case, but there is some logic in this theory. I am sure others have also speculated along these lines so I doubt this is an original idea.
It does ignore some of the other findings, like the stone tablet found at 90 ft, but we do not have that original piece, nor do we really know if the symbols purportedly copied down were original, or it was hoaxed. It has too much of a simile to Poe's "Gold Bug", as it was the exact same type of cypher, and very easy to translate using the method outlined by Poe. As for other evidence, like gold chain and parchment, where exactly are those items today?
Irregardless of actually finding a treasure, I do believe it was once there, and there is still not enough evidence to discount the fact that it still might be there. Finding the truth in this is exciting, and I think the answer is probably going to be revealed very soon.
So, ATS peoples... do you think this possibility has any merit, or does it fly in the face of what has already been "discovered" ?
What is poe's gold bug and cypher?
originally posted by: gpols
a reply to: charlyv
What do you think the shiny thing in the void is? It looks like it could be gold, but I don't know. They have to excavate 18 stories deep and that is a huge operation to undertake. I couldn't even imagine how long it would take to do something like that back in the 1800's.
I think it's going to be a bust and the shiny metal object in the void is some kind of contamination.
originally posted by: Krakatoa
I wonder if they could use that same drill hole shaft to lower and articulated vacuum hose (with attached camera) to find the yellow shiny object, and attempt to dig it out and suck it up the shaft without extensive digging. At least get that thing uncovered more, or better to the surface. If it is a man made gold item that is dated to the period, then that would better justify the expense of a more intense and wider dig.
originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: gpols
Man has built pyramids in South America and Egypt thousands of years before anyone would of been at Oak. Just suggesting big things are possible..why not a very elaborate tunnel system.