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posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 09:08 AM
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a reply to: namelesss

Light




posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 09:14 AM
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originally posted by: namelesss
While meditating the other day, came floating by, this;

"What is always passing through, yet never comes and goes?"



The passing through would suggest movement with force. The never comes and goes would suggest a circular movement.

I am still musing on this one.



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 02:55 AM
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originally posted by: normipoo
a reply to: namelesss

Light

Light/photons don't 'come' and 'go'?



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 03:01 AM
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originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: namelesss
While meditating the other day, came floating by, this;
"What is always passing through, yet never comes and goes?"

The passing through would suggest movement with force.

Perhaps. It might also suggest the 'illusion' that the 'static' is in motion...


The never comes and goes would suggest a circular movement.

Perhaps, or no movement at all...


I am still musing on this one.

Thank you.
I look forward to your musings. *__-



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 06:42 AM
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a reply to: namelesss

A koan has no speakable answer.
Can 'what is the sound of one hand clapping' be answered?



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 11:55 PM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

what answers?



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 02:04 AM
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Air is similar to space it is everywhere and if its not its only because something has taken up that space. So in fact it doesnt come or go it appears to come and go only. The air passes through our nostrils because we pull it in to the body space. If you were not standing in a location, would the air not still be there? Then as a human body microcosm, the blood is always there and passes through tubes and filters to every cell.
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posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 04:41 AM
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originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: namelesss

A koan has no speakable answer.
Can 'what is the sound of one hand clapping' be answered?

Depends on how you define 'answers' in this case.
Obviously the classical question/answer format is, ultimately, unworkable.
But as there are so many 'answers' that do not actually fit, rather than going around with a Zen stick, I am pointing out the errors in the responsive 'answers'.
I do understand what you are saying, though.
Before you get to the Zen, the 'other methods' often get exhausted.



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 04:51 AM
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originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: namelesss

A koan has no speakable answer.
Can 'what is the sound of one hand clapping' be answered?

It DOES get 'answered', by a long and steady stream of neophytes!
What 'doesn't work', the 'usual methods', must first be tried and failed, 'bumping' what is unusual; unconditional Love/Enlightenment!!



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 06:55 AM
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originally posted by: namelesss

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: namelesss
While meditating the other day, came floating by, this;
"What is always passing through, yet never comes and goes?"

The passing through would suggest movement with force.

Perhaps. It might also suggest the 'illusion' that the 'static' is in motion...


The never comes and goes would suggest a circular movement.

Perhaps, or no movement at all...


I am still musing on this one.

Thank you.
I look forward to your musings. *__-


I am still musing, but somehow I wonder if these riddles are created just to have us muse in the first place.



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 10:54 AM
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a reply to: namelesss

Can you please define what you mean by the word 'neophyte'?
I looked it up and it says -
a person who is new to a subject, skill, or belief:
"four-day cooking classes are offered to neophytes and experts"
synonyms:
beginner, learner, novice, newcomer, initiate, ... more

a new convert to a religion.

a novice in a religious order, or a newly ordained priest.
synonyms:
novice, novitiate, postulant, catechumen.



posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 02:16 AM
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originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: namelesss

Can you please define what you mean by the word 'neophyte'?
I looked it up and it says -
a person who is new to a subject, skill, or belief:
"four-day cooking classes are offered to neophytes and experts"
synonyms:
beginner, learner, novice, newcomer, initiate, ... more

a new convert to a religion.

a novice in a religious order, or a newly ordained priest.
synonyms:
novice, novitiate, postulant, catechumen.

That works for me! *__-
Add a tad of 'metaphor' of various depths and, there you go!

What I was specifically referring to was at a Zen monastery, for instance, the 'neophytes', the beginners (and one can be a 'neophyte' all one's life'!), when given a koan, DO imagine 'answers', do make every attempt to find rational, imaginary, 'meaning'/'patterns'.
To be the one who does 'answer correctly' will garner the approval of the Zenmaster (or so the common assumption), and 'attainment', or so one egoically imagines (imagination/thought = ego).

A 'neophyte' is, perhaps, one who still attempts to 'answer' a Koan. *__-



posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 05:07 AM
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So, it would appear a koan is an attempt to, hopefully, have us realize that our mental struggles in attempting to answer unanswerable riddles is futile. Our energies may be better spent on pursuits that bear the fruit of awareness and service.



posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 08:33 AM
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I made no attempt to answer the riddle posted but was tempted to make a comment on the subject of Koans. Before doing so I thought it might be a good idea to see what google had to say about the subject. Whilst browsing, I noticed a website with a free riddle and Koan service, on impulse I submitted yours. Here is the reply I received via e-mail.

Hi James,
The riddle you submitted is not a Zen riddle (or Koan).
If I look at it in a way I look at Koans, the answer would be: It's me,
myself.
I cannot detach myself from what I am. Therefore I cannot get away
from myself or arrive at myself.
I'm passing through my life, aren't I?

The same is true for everybody.

Regards

Reinhard

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posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 08:37 AM
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originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: namelesss

So, it would appear a koan is an attempt to, hopefully, have us realize that our mental struggles in attempting to answer unanswerable riddles is futile. Our energies may be better spent on pursuits that bear the fruit of awareness and service.


I don't think that's quite how it works.



posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 08:46 AM
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Can you expand on your theory? What is the purpose of a riddle with no answer (paradox; chasing one's tail, comes to mind). I can better use my musings to attain awareness that rings as real and true for me and is purposeful; although it can be a fun past time.
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posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 09:03 AM
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originally posted by: imd12c4funn
A river?


River (circle) of life?



posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 09:32 AM
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originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: midicon

Can you expand on your theory? What is the purpose of a riddle?


Do you mean, what is the purpose of a Koan? If so, then we all know the purpose. Something fairly simple and profound can occur when thought is caught up in the paradox, but the conditions have to be right.



posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 09:40 AM
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originally posted by: midicon

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: midicon

Can you expand on your theory? What is the purpose of a riddle?


Do you mean, what is the purpose of a Koan? If so, then we all know the purpose. Something fairly simple and profound can occur when thought is caught up in the paradox, but the conditions have to be right.


A dream-like awareness perhaps?



posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 09:49 AM
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Not at all, something completely different, something unexpected.




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