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Why are no aliens artifacts found here on Earth?

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posted on Jan, 2 2016 @ 06:04 PM
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Aliens are good campers and know the first rule of camping, leave no trace behind,




posted on Jan, 2 2016 @ 06:18 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: diogeneese33
Many buildings and artifacts have been found all over from Peru to Egypt to southwest America that can not be explained when following the narrative of our past as its taught in public schools... a few examples of different types and places...
The crystal skulls
The great pyramids of the entire world from under the sea to the highest peaks
Betz mystery shere
LaManna Ecuador artifacts
Sir William Petrie artifacts
... list goes on and on have fun connecting the dots


The problem is people do not have faith that humans can do all that, I wonder why... Also do you find it strange of an advance alien race that comes here and then works with raw stone and simple metals? It is like nothing cool and crazy can be human origin. I think aliens are just a cop out for an easy way to explain how something was done instead of really trying to figure out how it was done.


Back when the first moveable printing press was invented in the 1400's, people thought that the technology was satanic in origin!

Given, the minority who could afford handwritten manuscripts(it was costly and a sign of wealth to own books) felt their privileged positions were being threatened by making books more affordable and available, so it is possible that these elite few found it less favorable and deemed the technology satanic in nature. But still, it seems to me that people in general can't fathom that humans were ever capable of extraordinary discoveries or technologies, lol. Someone else pointed out to me recently that it's not necessarily even the technology that people are opposed to, but just... change. People don't like change, period. Change is alien. Hell, I don't like it either. I like it when I can predict outcomes and things are familiar and consistent, lol. But, I am a fan of progress and that calls for change so...

Anyway yeah, it's never humans that make these great discoveries, lol. I immediately thought about this little history lesson when I read your post. So true.

But I do think there could be signs of advanced technology in history, tho.
And it might just be that humans made those discoveries, golly gee!
Then, SHTF clearly.
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posted on Jan, 2 2016 @ 06:26 PM
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originally posted by: geezlouise
But I do think there could be signs of advanced technology in history, tho.
And it might just be that humans made those discoveries, golly gee!
Then, SHTF clearly.


It makes me laugh to think that lets say in 10,000 years we go to another planet to build stone structures.



posted on Jan, 2 2016 @ 06:27 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: stormcell

The only large structures that have survived thousands of years are the Egyptian pyramids and the various items that the Pharoahs took with them . Board games like Dogs and Jackals, and those mysterious models of birds and what look like aircraft.


That is because their strongest materiel for their time was stone and simple metals...lol Nuclear waste has a half life of about 4 billion years, so no past advance race reached that stage, no other advance race reached the moon either since we would see it. Since life today started about 1.6 billion years ago, if we said there were an advance race prior to that it wold be rather different than to us. Who knows then since not much could last so long, maybe a diamond data storage, but they might not have the ability or desire to go full tech.


The theory which is a very long shot attempt at making this into a natural phenomena was that water carried just enough Uranium into spaces in the rock to trigger fission and a natural nuclear reactor was born, there was also a second one of these found in Austria/Switzerland back in the 70's but I can not find anything on it so that may have been swept quietly under the rug so to speak.
apod.nasa.gov...

In both instances water cooled the reactor and at the Oklo site masses of uranium evenly spaces and the same size formed or were placed depending on your view point, they then automatically having reached critical mass began nuclear fission, that is some pure grade uranium and even given the possibility that it was more common in the past is a very long stretch of the imagination given how hard it was to replicate in controlled modern reactor's.

At least 2 billion years, watch that figure.

Klerksdorp Spheres about 2.2 billion years old, possibly natural but once again? food for thought.
youtu.be...

Snow ball earth theory, this is a theory that is gaining increasing acceptance and support in the scientific community which postulates that the whole planet underwent a period of intense cold which began about 2.2 to 2.5 billion years ago and ended about 750 million years ago, it was so cold that at time's the entire ocean froze over even at the equator and any eco system that may have evolved would of course have died off unless it got off the planet or moved into biospheres possible deep underground (Grey's anyone).

Our own ecosystem according to cannon science (I am a creationist so am postulating in an area outside of my own belief) only began with the cambrien explosion about 650 million years ago (so about one hundred million years after the end of the snow ball earth period as the planet warmed up) and prior to this CAMBRIEN EXPLOSION (multiple species appearing to fill the vacant ecological niches as if life had only just learned how to do so) as it is called it is postulated that only single celled organism's existed which if the earth is that Old and life appeared maybe as early as 3.9 billion years ago or even earlier as the earth is theorized by cannon science to be 4.3 billion year's old give or take a hundred million here or there I simply do not buy, if I put my creationist belief's aside for the sake of argument then I would say that not only before the Snow ball earth period but also in any inter ice age periods during that time entire eco systems' could have arisen and flourished along with the potential for sentient and even non human sentient life many time's.

snowballearth.org...
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posted on Jan, 2 2016 @ 06:30 PM
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a reply to: geezlouise



Back when the first moveable printing press was invented in the 1400's, people thought that the technology was satanic in origin!

Moveable printing presses date back to the ancient Chinese, source




it seems to me that people in general can't fathom that humans were ever capable of extraordinary discoveries or technologies

We find discoveries on a regular basis that show otherwise.



posted on Jan, 2 2016 @ 06:33 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

Yea that does sound ridiculous, lmfao.

But IDK if we're into building stone structures on earth then we might want to do that on other planets too? Why not? Just a thought. It does sound silly tho when you put it like that. For some reason it reminded me of a Jack Handy quote:

"If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason."



posted on Jan, 2 2016 @ 06:33 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: geezlouise
But I do think there could be signs of advanced technology in history, tho.
And it might just be that humans made those discoveries, golly gee!
Then, SHTF clearly.


It makes me laugh to think that lets say in 10,000 years we go to another planet to build stone structures.


I don't know - it makes sense to me that any civilisation visiting another planet would use the most available and easy to use raw materials.

I wonder would we still use stone if it was easy to transport, shape and construct with?

There is an ATS thread on this.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jan, 2 2016 @ 06:36 PM
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a reply to: Vector99

Ok honey this is the one I was talking about: en.wikipedia.org...

Sorry to confuse you. So sorry. Now, source on the discoveries of alien technologies?
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posted on Jan, 2 2016 @ 06:39 PM
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originally posted by: geezlouise
a reply to: Vector99

Ok honey this is the one I was talking about: en.wikipedia.org...

Sorry to confuse you. So sorry. Now, source on the discoveries of alien technologies?


The printing press was introduced to the West in the Holy Roman Empire by Johannes Gutenberg, around 1440.

The only things I question are the Nazca lines, the date of the sphinx, and the building of the great pyramid.

Also, I apologize for my crudeness, I was just debating Phage, that is extremely mentally challenging. I need a break lol
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posted on Jan, 2 2016 @ 06:43 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

That would also make proving the object to have non terrestrial origin impossible but it is common sense.



futurism.com...

The basic premise of a Von-Neumann probe was to send out a probe that could find raw materials and then self replicate itself at each location/planet/solar system with many advantages including a chain of contact back using each probe as a relay station, of course if the probe made more than one of itself then the universe would have a problem.

But because the probe would be made from fairly local material's (on an interstellar scale) the isotopes etc would be likely to be nearly identical to those on each plant within a given shared cluster and so anyone finding one and doing test's would be confused by this into thinking it was native to there own world/solar system even if it was not.

The other problem on earth is that any artefact would be reused, and any ancient artefact would have been used and reused by our ancestor's, metal is harder than stone for example though in time it does wear out, a metal weapon made from debris or material stripped off a relic would in a pre metallurgical age likely have been used in ceremony and worship long after it's practical use had vanished as wear and tear eroded the material away, the remains may have been further divided into amulets etc.

But what about where disaster meant no one was left to tear it apart at least until recently.
www.abovetopsecret.com...


And yes visitors would use the local materials, in the absence of a fabrication and ore extraction they would have used stone, simple to cut and move with advanced technology, weatherproof and hermetically sealable.

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posted on Jan, 2 2016 @ 07:06 PM
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originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: UKTruth

That would also make proving the object to have non terrestrial origin impossible but it is common sense.



futurism.com...

The basic premise of a Von-Neumann probe was to send out a probe that could find raw materials and then self replicate itself at each location/planet/solar system with many advantages including a chain of contact back using each probe as a relay station, of course if the probe made more than one of itself then the universe would have a problem.

But because the probe would be made from fairly local material's (on an interstellar scale) the isotopes etc would be likely to be nearly identical to those on each plant within a given shared cluster and so anyone finding one and doing test's would be confused by this into thinking it was native to there own world/solar system even if it was not.

The other problem on earth is that any artefact would be reused, and any ancient artefact would have been used and reused by our ancestor's, metal is harder than stone for example though in time it does wear out, a metal weapon made from debris or material stripped off a relic would in a pre metallurgical age likely have been used in ceremony and worship long after it's practical use had vanished as wear and tear eroded the material away, the remains may have been further divided into amulets etc.

But what about where disaster meant no one was left to tear it apart at least until recently.
www.abovetopsecret.com...


And yes visitors would use the local materials, in the absence of a fabrication and ore extraction they would have used stone, simple to cut and move with advanced technology, weatherproof and hermetically sealable.


Thinking about from our own perspective here on earth - if we were to set off for a planet, we would not just point in a direction and go, we would have at least some level of understanding of what we would find. With technology getting close to be able to image planets directly, we will be able to use spectral analysis along with existing calculations for mass and composition to get a picutre of the planetary structure, the atmosphere and prevailing elements. For example, we would probably choose somewhere likely to have water, to avoid having to transport it. In terms of building settlements/habitats, I am sure we would have a plan and it would be as detailed as possible, to the point where we would not even consider using another material even if we found it on that planet - because our instruments and tools we brought with us would be tailored to our plan.



posted on Jan, 2 2016 @ 09:38 PM
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If alien artifacts were on earth how would we recognize them? A person from the 1800s would have no idea on the use of cell phone and giving them one to use would be futile. So if aliens left anything behind EXCEPT on the moon what would we expect to see? It might be possible for artifacts to vanish but footprints on the moon will be there for dammed near forever.
That is the only location that unequivocal evidence could be left for humans to discover. But even if found would they tell us?



posted on Jan, 2 2016 @ 09:58 PM
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a reply to: Frocharocha

I believe the pyramids, Stonehenge, all the various monoliths, the Mayan ruins, all of them are alien artifacts. Just my two cents.



posted on Jan, 2 2016 @ 10:31 PM
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originally posted by: LABTECH767
I would say that not only before the Snow ball earth period but also in any inter ice age periods during that time entire eco systems' could have arisen and flourished along with the potential for sentient and even non human sentient life many time's.


Well life started about 500 million years after earth formed, so it stared quickly. We went from something a lot less than yeast 1.6 billion years ago to all the life we see today. It was about 3 billion years ago that O2 stared to build, so that doesn't give much time until snowball earth for life to be highly advance, but who knows. As you suggest snowball earth pretty much wipe the slate clean and that is why all life on earth is related to the same progenitor. I wonder if snowball earth didn't happen what life would be like.



posted on Jan, 2 2016 @ 10:32 PM
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a reply to: datasdream

There may possibly be remains' on the moon (I actually believe there are) but it is a far harsher environment than you may think.

Take metal, heat and cool it constantly and it suffers metal fatigue this is because of the crystalline structure of the metal and the fact most metal fabrication is not perfect so even though a block of steel look's like a solid single piece (What we may refer to in physics and chemistry as a macromolecular structure
) it is actually made up of many smaller crystal's bound together by weaker molecular bond's and it is in these area's of weaker bond's that the expansion and contraction caused by the heating and cooling or by more mechanical mean's such as flexing, stretching and bending separated causing structural defect's and break's in the material in the form of crack's.

On the moon there is a massive temperature swing between direct sunlight and shade and this would over time cause metal object's to eventually crumble to dust as metal fatigue induced by the expansion and contraction took it's effect upon them.

But the moon also has direct exposure to solar particle radiation which also degrades these weaker molecular bond's and also micro meteor's and spash fall back from impact's on the surface of the moon which rain high velocity lunar debris back down onto the surface at ballistic and higher velocity's.

Then there are the moon quake's which may have already degraded Neil Armstrong's footprint's as the only think keeping them footprint's from falling apart is weak electrostatic charge between the dust particle's.

But as I say there may be evidence of if not Alien then a previous terrestrial race or even another civilization left on the moon such as the following image's are highly suggestive of.

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Edited by me to highlight interesting pieces of possible destroyed object and it's cargo

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Here are some more

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An evil civilization, war and opposing faction's, the casting down of the aggressor in that war but devastation for all was the result.

"And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, 8and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven"

Then there are ancient artifacts right here and ancient tale's such as they Chariots and Mirkaba of the Heavenly host etc.




Of course the Mahabharata speak's of a great bridge between India and Sri Lanka which according to that story was built by a great emperor using giant ape men from the forrest as labour (giganto pithacus).
This is an image taken from space.


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posted on Jan, 2 2016 @ 10:42 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

That is based on scientific hypothesis due to a lack of chemical evidence and what they Think the world was like up to that time, given that the entire surface of the earth is more or less eroded away and recycled over about 750 million years (interesting eh given that is the same for the end period of the snow ball earth theory) micro fossil's do not survive, chemical analysis of ancient rocks often billions of years old has this error as well in that they survived by being buried so direct exposure of these rock's or even near surface exposure and chemical saturation by the atmosphere is highly unlikely to have occurred so there data is in essence not at all reliable and all they then can suggest by guesswork and intelligence speculation is mere conjecture.

But you draw on sound information just not unchallenged information and based on the speculation of scientists with no real hard empirical data to go by which mean's it is not really a theory but merely a hypothesis upon which they have then gone and constructed theory's, a bit like reverse theory based on known condition's at much, much later epoch's in the earth's history and study of other planet's in the solar system (given that they have only scant data that can not be very useful as they are only now studying the surface chemical makeup and rock formations on mars and then only in one isolated crater).

Good point's though even if I disagree based on the fact that though it is taught and put out there as fact it is mere speculation with little hard data to back it up and what data is used remains suspect due to the above factor's.

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posted on Jan, 2 2016 @ 10:42 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

I don't know - it makes sense to me that any civilisation visiting another planet would use the most available and easy to use raw materials.

I wonder would we still use stone if it was easy to transport, shape and construct with?



Think of a race 10,000 100,000 a million years a head of us, I do not buy it. They would maybe use our natural resources but to build at the tech level of us for that time I do not see it.



posted on Jan, 2 2016 @ 10:56 PM
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Here's a thought

Maybe there are many in plain sight! and they are objects so common we take them for granted.
maybe a certain kind of rock



posted on Jan, 2 2016 @ 10:57 PM
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originally posted by: LABTECH767
Good point's though even if I disagree based on the fact that though it is taught and put out there as fact it is mere speculation with little hard data to back it up and what data is used remains suspect due to the above factor's.


It is a theory...

Here is why we picked that life started 4+ billion years ago.


The researchers, led by Elizabeth Bell — a postdoctoral scholar in Harrison’s laboratory — studied more than 10,000 zircons originally formed from molten rocks, or magmas 4.1 billon years ago, from Western Australia. Zircons are heavy, durable minerals related to the synthetic cubic zirconium used for imitation diamonds. They capture and preserve their immediate environment, meaning they can serve as time capsules.

The scientists identified 656 zircons containing dark specks that could be revealing and closely analyzed 79 of them with Raman spectroscopy, a technique that shows the molecular and chemical structure of ancient microorganisms in three dimensions.


It took life to put the O2 in our air too, so that is a rather long process. I see 2.7 to 3.5 billion years ago it started but I can't find any empirical evidence to back that up.



posted on Jan, 2 2016 @ 10:58 PM
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originally posted by: Perfect stranger
Here's a thought

Maybe there are many in plain sight! and they are objects so common we take them for granted.
maybe a certain kind of rock


Maybe planet Earth is an alien artifact..




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