Military to Military Seymour M. Hersh on US intelligence sharing in the Syrian war

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

For those who don't know who Seymour Hersh is, here is a little bit of information about him.

And here is some more about Mr. Hersh...

Seymour Hersh: conspiracy theorist or ground-breaking iconoclast?

However, uppermost in most people’s minds when judging his claims about the death of Bin Laden are his most recent major allegation: that the Syrian rebels, not President Bashar al-Assad, conducted the chemical weapons attack on eastern Damascus in August 2013 that killed hundreds of men, women and children, and that Washington knew this and hid it.
That story, like the Bin Laden account, was published in the London Review of Books - in two versions - after being rejected by the New Yorker, Mr Hersh’s normal employer.
Journalists specialising in the region accused Mr Hersh of ignoring other reporting, including video evidence of regime troops firing missiles similar to those used to deliver the sarin.

His two versions, also, were contradictory - despite both supposedly having come from Pentagon sources privy to the same information.
One said that the sarin was made by a former Iraqi army chemical weapons expert who had defected to al-Qaeda, the other that it was supplied by Turkey.
Critics make the same point about the Syria and the Bin Laden stories - that they are derived from anonymous sources whose credentials cannot be checked.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Mr. Hersh seems to like to use anonymous sources for his articles that cannot be proven to be real.

Did you do any actual research on him other than wikipedia, because it seems you haven't.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

medium.com...

How about the actual report from the DIA and not a second party source?

And as far as Judicialwatch...

Remember this little gem of an article...

ISIS Camp a Few Miles from Texas, Mexican Authorities Confirm

www.judicialwatch.org...

You know the one that was debunked by the people living in and around where this camp was supposedly at...

Earlier this week on April 14th, a nameless ‘news story’ appeared on the “Corruption Chronicles Blog” section of the website Judicial Watch, which claimed “ISIS Camp a Few Miles from Texas, Mexican Authorities Confirm.” The website claims that ‘an ISIS base’ exists approximately 8 miles from the US-Texas border in an area known as ‘Anapra’ just west of Ciudad Juárez in the Mexican state of Chihuahua.

Upon closer inspection, it’s clear that this story is fake.

21stcenturywire.com...

Only On ABC-7: Anapra, Mexico residents, US congressman debunk ISIS training camp rumor

www.kvia.com...

You really should research your sources to make sure they aren't big on making things up...such as Judicialwatch.org.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Here is a link to the document.

Here you go about your so called document...

Worse is this piece, which has a pronouncedly conspiratorial bent, implying that the Pentagon was somehow in on the rise of the Islamic State — which is precisely what Tehran and Moscow want you to think. The documents in question, obtained through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by Judicial Watch, a right-wing group, can be seen in full here, but the report generating the most heat, if not light, is this one.

This is an early August 2012 field report to the Defense Intelligence Agency, known in the trade as an Intelligence Information Report or IIR. As it states clearly, this is an “information report, not finally evaluated intelligence.” Its contents are deemed explosive by those seeking explosions. According to outraged observers online, this DIA IIR is “proof” that “the Pentagon” and “the Intelligence Community” knew more about the rise of the Islamic State than they let on. At best, they’re fools; at worst, they’re deceivers who have lied to the American people.

It’s time for a reality check. Having written my share of IIRs, let me explain a few things to you. First off, this report, which is classified SECRET/NOFORN (i.e. it’s far from “highly classified”) is so heavily redacted that it’s difficult to say much meaningful about it. Who filed this IIR has been taken out, and its distribution list (at least what we can see of it) is the usual alphabet soup of DoD and IC headquarters and agencies. Nothing special here, not one bit.

20committee.com...

Again have you actually researched the information you post as truth?

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

So, in response to this evidence you post "claims" and "rhetoric" from a left-wing blog that tries to claim this information is "not explosive"?... Is that your evidence?

Have you researched this so called evidence that you are posting? That same website you are posting is saying this report was "simply information and not proof that the Obama administration allowed this". Yet, that same link you gave does not even try to disprove the fact that document does exist.

The document was seen by high level officials which includes the Obama administration. So, they knew this was going to happen, and continued to help what they called "moderates" which ended up helping the radicals...

US-trained Division 30 rebels 'betray US and hand weapons over to al-Qaeda's affiliate in Syria'

Pentagon-trained rebels are reported to have betrayed US and handed weapons over to Jabhat al-Nusra immediately after entering Syria


By Nabih Bulos, Amman

5:22PM BST 22 Sep 2015

Pentagon-trained rebels in Syria are reported to have betrayed their American backers and handed their weapons over to al-Qaeda in Syria immediately after re-entering the country.

Fighters with Division 30, the “moderate” rebel division favoured by the United States, surrendered to the al-Qaeda-affiliated Jabhat al-Nusra, a raft of sources claimed on Monday night.

Division 30 was the first faction whose fighters graduated from a US-led training programme in Turkey which aims to forge a force on the ground in Syria to fight against Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isil).

A statement on Twitter by a man calling himself Abu Fahd al-Tunisi, a member of al-Qaeda’s local affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra, read: "A strong slap for America... the new group from Division 30 that entered yesterday hands over all of its weapons to Jabhat al-Nusra after being granted safe passage.

"They handed over a very large amount of ammunition and medium weaponry and a number of pick-ups."

Reports since yesterday claim US-backed leader Anas Obaid has betrayed US & handed weapons to Jabhat al-Nusra #Syria pic.twitter.com/yTZqVT3CI0
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www.telegraph.co.uk... iate-in-Syria.html

About that other evidence you posted... You are obviously trying to derail the thread. How about instead of doing so we stay within the topic. Unless you have proof the report from the op is false, all you are doing is making false claims and false assumptions.