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Erdogan cites Hitler's Germany as effective executive presidency

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posted on Jan, 4 2016 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: 23432


I am a muslim who is married to a Godless Heathen for a long time . The moderate label I reject because there is no such a thing .


Sounds like a drastic change since a few post, when you promoted an islamic caliphate.


originally posted by: 23432
Shia & Gulenists are in cahoots ; you probably know not much about either of these two groups but suffice to say they are Erdogan's opponents .


Why don't you try yourself at something sensible for once, instead of making suggestion about the ignorance of others ?


originally posted by: 23432
Shutting down Twitter or social media was a tactic and it worked . These companies now agreed to pay tax in Turkey too .


And since they are the ones supposed to benefit from these taxes, users of these companies can end up in jail for picturing the Caliph as Golum for ex ...


originally posted by: 23432
Journalism is all bought and paid for long time ago by concerned parties ; for that reason I don't regards msm journalist very highly .
They are just paid whores imho . And Judiciary is not under the control of Erdogan which is why he wants to change the Constitution .
Look I get it .
You are loaded with bias against Turks & Erdogan and all your info seems to come from MSM .
However , your critism of Erdogan & Turks really have not much of a weight to neither's plans .
Besides your information is MSM based , need I say anymore ?


Do you want stuff from RT or globalresearch ?




posted on Jan, 5 2016 @ 03:15 AM
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Turkey’s presidential system debate as farce



“Populism is primed to open the door to a plebiscitarian transformation of democracy insofar as it makes the role of personality essential in representing the unity of people and elections through a plebiscite that crowns the leader. For this reason, presidential democracies are more exposed to both the populist style of politics and a plebiscitary kind of relation between the leader and the people.”
(Nadia Urbinati, Democracy Disfigured, Harvard University Press, 2014, page 175)


 


23 Co-Mayors Discharged, 16 Others Imprisoned

 


It is foolish attitude from a citizen to keep his head in the sand when his country is at the edge of civil war.



posted on Jan, 5 2016 @ 06:55 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001

Nevertheless, I think Erdogan is angling to bridge the Sunni-Shi'a gap... which would make him the unifier that would be the best credential to make him Caliph.


That looks like a softened stance in comparison to your previous statements about Erdogan :


originally posted by: DJW001
Erdogan is basically an Islamic fascist, we all know this.


Please don't tell me you are backing the concept of the Caliphate as well.



posted on Jan, 5 2016 @ 07:21 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

On hurriyetdailynews there is an article labeled : Erdogans sense of democracy

here are few excerpts :

Another concept that Erdogan never mentions when talking about a presidential system is the “separation of powers” and the “checks and balances” that are central to any true democracy, whether it is a parliamentary or a presidential system.

When all their verbiage is cast aside, it is obvious what Erdoğan and his supporters ultimately want. They hanker for a system where “the leader” enjoys a free hand as he imposes his ideological outlook on the whole of society by force of law, regardless of whether these laws dispense justice in the universal sense or not.



This is why the opposition, the free media, and all the other institutions that help constitute a genuine democracy – rather than the counterfeit one we have under the AKP – have to oppose this attempt at establishing a “ballot box dictatorship,” by enlightening “the people” about what they are really faced with.

 


Also some other news Turkey ’s religious body says engaged couples should not hold hands


The Directorate of Religious Affairs (Diyanet), Turkey’s top religious body, has stated that engaged couples should not hold hands or spend time alone together during their engagement period.

“In this period, it is not inconvenient for couples to meet and talk to get to know each other, if their privacy is considered. However, there could be undesired incidents with or without their families’ knowledge … such as flirting, cohabitating or being alone [with one another]. This encourages gossip and holding hands, which Islam does not allow,” the Diyanet said, responding to a public question.

It urged couples to fulfil their engagement period “in line with Islamic norms,” encouraging couples not to have a religious marriage unless a civil marriage had been decided upon.

The Diyanet - which is one of Turkey’s best funded state institutions, largely provided for by public taxation - has previously made headlines with controversial rulings on the usage of toilet paper and cleaning products containing alcohol.


Regards

Seed

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posted on Jan, 5 2016 @ 09:52 AM
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a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke


Please don't tell me you are backing the concept of the Caliphate as well.


Once again you confuse explanation with endorsement. Of course I don't want to see a Caliphate, I have simply explained why Erdogan's actions and statements make him attractive to those who do. It's just like my explaining that Russia has legitimate strategic concerns in Crimea, while condemning Putin's strategy to protect them.



posted on Jan, 5 2016 @ 11:25 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

You don't want to see a caliphate but you consider Erdogan might be Caliph ...


originally posted by: DJW001

Nevertheless, I think Erdogan is angling to bridge the Sunni-Shi'a gap... which would make him the unifier that would be the best credential to make him Caliph.


And when it comes to 'bridge the Sunni-Shi'a gap' ... you should look throuh the window and consider what's going between the Saudis and the Iranians or, consider the way the jaafaris are being treated in Turkey :

Shia Mosques Targeted in Turkey and Korans Burnt



posted on Jan, 5 2016 @ 11:59 AM
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a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Are you implying that Erdogan's actions don't match his words? I'm shocked. (Incidentally, that's sarcasm.)



posted on Jan, 5 2016 @ 12:51 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

I'm showing (not implying) that your attitude and statements towards Erdogan are inconsistent. And I wonder which words or actions from Erdogan is supposed to make him a candidate for 'angling to bridge the Sunni-Shi'a gap'



posted on Jan, 5 2016 @ 12:59 PM
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originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: DJW001

I'm showing (not implying) that your attitude and statements towards Erdogan are inconsistent. And I wonder which words or actions from Erdogan is supposed to make him a candidate for 'angling to bridge the Sunni-Shi'a gap'


How is explaining his motivations inconsistent with objecting to them? Next you will be accusing me of being a Putinsta because I acknowledge that Russia has legitimate strategic interests in Crimea. Erdogan claims to be "beyond Sunni and Shi'a." What does this sound like to you?
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posted on Jan, 5 2016 @ 01:13 PM
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Claims of Erdogan to be "beyond Sunni and Shi'a." are inconsistent at least with the other statement of his about Gulenists and Jaafaris.
I'd like to know what makes you consider that he may be suited for the role of Caliph or that he is angling the gap.

Let's also not forget that there is another caliphate in place ... and that no matter its final destination, the oil it is stealing is routed through Turkey.



posted on Jan, 5 2016 @ 01:45 PM
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a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Where do I say that I think he he is qualified to be Caliph?
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posted on Jan, 5 2016 @ 01:52 PM
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a reply to: DJW001


originally posted by: DJW001

Where do I say that I think he he is qualified to be Caliph?



originally posted by: DJW001

Nevertheless, I think Erdogan is angling to bridge the Sunni-Shi'a gap... which would make him the unifier that would be the best credential to make him Caliph.



posted on Jan, 5 2016 @ 02:49 PM
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We Christians have a saying: No God. No Peace. Know God. Know Peace. Where the meaning is internal. I think the Muslims have externalized it - No Allah? No Peace!

Now, I wouldn't care at all if they formed all their countries into a huge Caliphate that spanned North Africa and their bits of the Middle East and Asia, but when I see people here saying Caliphate, the way it is referenced leads me to think they want a One World Caliphate in order for us all to enjoy this so-called utopia.

Even you muslims must surely have your own warnings in prophecy about where this leads and it is not good. Bind your Muslim majority nations into your Caliphate, but leave the rest of us out of it.



posted on Jan, 5 2016 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

I am going to assume that you are having problems because English is not your first language. It is my opinion that Erdogan is saying the things he is because he wants fellow Muslims to think he would be a good Caliph. I, personally, do not want to see the Caliphate re-established. Do you see any inconsistency in that?



posted on Jan, 5 2016 @ 04:44 PM
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originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke

Sounds like a drastic change since a few post, when you promoted an islamic caliphate.


My stand hasn't changed at all , you must have misunderstood . Islamic Caliphate is good for muslims and good for World at large ; that is my view .

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
Why don't you try yourself at something sensible for once, instead of making suggestion about the ignorance of others ?


I point out others ignorance as per ATS Motto . Should you find any ignorance on my post please feel free to point it out .
I give you more realistic view of Turkish issues but your understanding of this issue doesn't seem to change even when presented with irrefutable evidence .
You are acting as if you are on not on a Conspiracy Board . That isn't really sensible , is it now ?




originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
And since they are the ones supposed to benefit from these taxes, users of these companies can end up in jail for picturing the Caliph as Golum for ex ...



That is what you are worried about ? Well , the experience at hand tells us that as a result of co-habiting , The Jews , The Christians and The Muslims all have developed a cross - cultural sensitivity for others , a common culture if you like .
Also it is worth noting that there is no Law that says you can't caricaturise the Caliph .




originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke

Do you want stuff from RT or globalresearch ?



Hurriyet Newpaper to this day carries the motto " Turkey belongs to Turks " ; it is a German/Jewish controlled media outlet with owner Aydin Dogan proudly wearing the medal of Knights of Templar . It is evidently a racist newspaper , overlooking the existence of ALL NON TURKS in Turkey and their right to ownership of the country .

Harvard article is a clear hit article with an extremely heavy bias .

If your real intent is to learn about the issue at hand , you'd do well to stay away from your existing sources .

I suspect you have predetermined views about the country of Turks and perhaps you have some other reasons to take the political stand as you do ; it is your right to do so .
You've got the wrong end of the stick so to speak though .


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posted on Jan, 5 2016 @ 04:53 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
We Christians have a saying: No God. No Peace. Know God. Know Peace. Where the meaning is internal. I think the Muslims have externalized it - No Allah? No Peace!

Now, I wouldn't care at all if they formed all their countries into a huge Caliphate that spanned North Africa and their bits of the Middle East and Asia, but when I see people here saying Caliphate, the way it is referenced leads me to think they want a One World Caliphate in order for us all to enjoy this so-called utopia.

Even you muslims must surely have your own warnings in prophecy about where this leads and it is not good. Bind your Muslim majority nations into your Caliphate, but leave the rest of us out of it.



Here is a Church and a Mosque standing together in my neck of the woods for at least 500 years .



400 years they were under the Caliphate's Jurisdiction .

Caliphate means no wars in middle east and that is good for you too . No muslim in their sane mind would facy USA or Europe as muslim lands ; these lands are clearly christian lands and can remain should they choose to do so .
A muslim's obligation to pass the message of Allah ; muslim is not obliged to convert you or anyone for that matter .



posted on Jan, 5 2016 @ 06:01 PM
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originally posted by: 23432

My stand hasn't changed at all , you must have misunderstood . Islamic Caliphate is good for muslims and good for World at large ; that is my view .


May I ask you what is your view about the fate the Shiites or all other muslim that don't agree with you and are thus - as of you - takfirs ? Something in the like of the Kurds of the Armenians ... nothing to see here, move along.


originally posted by: 23432

I point out others ignorance as per ATS Motto . Should you find any ignorance on my post please feel free to point it out .


I don't. You're the one after the ignorance of others ...

Shia & Gulenists are in cahoots ; you probably know not much about either of these two groups but suffice to say they are Erdogan's opponents .


originally posted by: 23432
I give you more realistic view of Turkish issues but your understanding of this issue doesn't seem to change even when presented with irrefutable evidence .
You are acting as if you are on not on a Conspiracy Board . That isn't really sensible , is it now ?


Why didn't you try to comment the articles I linked as well.
Are they too MSM for a conspiracy site or too Turkish ?
The very first link I shared happened to be published originally by the huffingtonpost. The article was then taken over by sputniknews and then echoed by theuglytruth.
Wish to comment it now ?
Feel free to provide a better comment than beating a dead horse. Actually, I'm driving down the nail.


originally posted by: 23432
That is what you are worried about ? Well , the experience at hand tells us that as a result of co-habiting , The Jews , The Christians and The Muslims all have developed a cross - cultural sensitivity for others , a common culture if you like .
Also it is worth noting that there is no Law that says you can't caricaturise the Caliph .


What is worrying me about Turket atm, is that people are being in trouble for posting pictures like this one on social media.



If there is no law preventing caricature, on which basis is this done then ?


originally posted by: 23432
Hurriyet Newpaper to this day carries the motto " Turkey belongs to Turks " ; it is a German/Jewish controlled media outlet with owner Aydin Dogan proudly wearing the medal of Knights of Templar . It is evidently a racist newspaper , overlooking the existence of ALL NON TURKS in Turkey and their right to ownership of the country .

Harvard article is a clear hit article with an extremely heavy bias .

If your real intent is to learn about the issue at hand , you'd do well to stay away from your existing sources .

I suspect you have predetermined views about the country of Turks and perhaps you have some other reasons to take the political stand as you do ; it is your right to do so .
You've got the wrong end of the stick so to speak though .


I'd be curious to hear your insider's point of view about Turkish things like, the Caliph's palace, his relations with the Jaafaris, the Kurds, the Dönmehs, the grey wolves ... as a starter.


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posted on Jan, 5 2016 @ 06:14 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

Sure I don't speak proper English and worse, my spell-checker is playing against me sometimes ...
Now just another question for clarification if you don't mind - and 23432 should give his input as well of course - :

If you reckon that the resolution of the current middle-east situation may take place through the emergence of a Caliph-like individual; do you then consider that the current situation in the middle-east matches the pattern described in Islamic eschatology ?

Or in other words :
Doom porn ?



posted on Jan, 5 2016 @ 06:58 PM
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If you reckon that the resolution of the current middle-east situation may take place through the emergence of a Caliph-like individual; do you then consider that the current situation in the middle-east matches the pattern described in Islamic eschatology ?


I do not think the Caliphate will be revived.



posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 01:44 AM
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... but Erdogan would have the best credentials for the role of Caliph in that case ... yeah we all know.

I am going to assume that this is because of the Panzerlid tune.


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