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originally posted by: theySeeme
originally posted by: Justacasualobserver
But are young black men or other minorities statistically more likely to be involved in crimes which would lead to more encounters with police? I am not saying they are it just seems to be a possibility. Correlation = causation ??
a reply to: Revolution9
No, actually what happens is black men are more likely to be arrested for their crimes, and SENTENCED - often times because black men are MORE LIKELY to not be able to affoard bail, lawyer fees, or other privilages that white people are MORE LIKELY to have access to.
And a whole range of other social injustices. This is white most cold-casese that get solved statistically end up with the arrest of a white male.
you can fact check anything I've said, it's all true.
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
Are people seriously trying to claim that white teenagers in the US never dare to hang out in a playground with a fake gun?
By December 5, 2012, Loehmann was no longer a police officer. The Independence Police Department has stated that Loehmann’s employment lasted a total of five months. Four out of those five months were spent in the police academy. Loehmann had spent only a month as an official police officer before his alarming misconduct became too much of a liability for the Independence police force.
According to Loehmann, he voluntarily resigned. According to the Independence Police force, he quit before they could fire him.
In five short months, Loehmann was deemed “emotionally unstable” and unfit for service as a police officer. In his personnel records, his direct supervisors described him as having a “lack of maturity” as well as an “inability to perform basic functions as instructed.” These supervisors were referring to the disturbing behavior Loehmann exhibited during a weapons training session.
Loehmann’s worrisome conduct and mental instability when handling weapons would become a reoccurring theme in his personnel files.
In another training session held at a gun range, Loehmann suffered what was described as an “emotional meltdown.” In a memo sent to Human Resources, Deputy Chief Jim Polak of the Independence Police Department referred to this incident as a “dangerous loss of composure.” Polak noted that Loehmann’s “handgun performance was dismal” and that he was “distracted and weepy” during the training session. After Loehmann’s weapons were taken away by the training officer, he continued his “emotional meltdown” with detailed descriptions of his apparent issues with a girlfriend.
Deputy Chief Polak’s memo included several additional incidents of worrisome misconduct. He concluded the memo with the following:
“Individually, these events would not be considered major situations but, when taken together, they show a pattern of a lack of maturity, indiscretion, and not following instructions.”
“I do not believe time nor training will be able to change or correct these deficiencies.”
In March 2014, after spending two years being denied by every police force he applied to, Timothy Loehmann received an offer from the Cleveland Police Department. They did not check his personnel files.
A few months later, on November 22, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Loehmann shot and killed a 12 year-old child named Tamir Rice.
originally posted by: Revolution9
End of year statistics report by The Guardian.
Despite making up only 2% of the total US population, African American males between the ages of 15 and 34 comprised more than 15% of all deaths logged this year by an ongoing investigation into the use of deadly force by police. Their rate of police-involved deaths was five times higher than for white men of the same age.
The Guardian has done an excellent job of monitoring these statistics this last year. They have very much tried to highlight the reality of statistics.
Non-white Americans make up less than 38% of the US population, but half the number of people killed by police are minorities.
and minorities make up more unarmed people killed by police
Check the figures for yourselves. This is mighty unpleasant reading for me. I hope that 2016 can somehow bring better statistic news. I'll be watching just like the Guardian and most of the world.
America, so near yet so far.
I already anticipate the kind of response here on ATS, so I will not be looking at this thread as I will get too upset. Just letting you know.
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: butcherguy
Show me any instance where a white 12 year old child playing with a toy gun in a playground has had a few rounds fired into him after seconds of the police arriving... to only then have the police cleared of any wrong doing?
Show me an instance of that happening to a white kid, then your comment might have some substance... Until then, its fair to assume that racism dictates the justice system in the US.
You still aren't getting it. Racism is a perspective, not a word or an act.
Addressing a race angle on everything all the time just trains people to be racist.
...other people think otherwise because they have a racist perspective.