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originally posted by: nullafides
Fortunately, there is a way to reconcile the needs of people to earn a living with the desire of greed-centric corporations not to pay higher wages. It is to provide everyone with a basic income. The state takes in tax money; everyone is granted a certain sum to provide for their basic needs; and everyone can then work without feeling that they must beg a faceless corporate monster for enough income to cover rent and food and child care. And what do you know: the idea of providing a minimum income is catching on. It is somewhere near the realm of reality in Canada; it’s been instituted in a Dutch city; it’s being tried in Germany; it’s popular in Finland and Switzerland. In other words, the most civilized nations in the world, with the highest standards of living and strongest social safety nets, are leading the way on the minimum income issue.
A minimum basic income would allow us to dismantle vast bureaucracies that exist to police welfare recipients, and just cut everyone a check. And it would take a great deal of pressure off the movement to raise the minimum wage, because everyone’s income would have a floor already, meaning even low-paid workers would be less vulnerable to financial disaster. It’s a large-scale way to smooth out some of the inequality that plagues our nation. And it would allow fast food CEOs to stop bitching.
How would we pay for it? Partly by redirecting money we already spend, and partly by taxing the rich, like fast food CEOs, and by taxing corporations, like fast food corporations. Well. At least they could bitch about something novel.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: nullafides
Earning, working towards a successful life is something that was done in the past.
Why work when you can whine and get it for free?
The drive to create, innovate, invent, build, has gone. Instead we have skinny-jean, chin-bearded punks demanding something for nothing.
They can go rot.
originally posted by: Blazemore2000
a reply to: nullafides
You see one article in Gawker and paint an entire generation as people who all want a "base living wage"? And I'm supposed to take you seriously? You should have "Get off my lawn" tattooed on your forehead.
originally posted by: boncho
in 25 years time, if CEOs are earning the money that would have gone to those billion workers, instead of it being passed down the lines, those people will simply cease to exist. And the reduction in population will be done by hard poverty.
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: nullafides
Earning, working towards a successful life is something that was done in the past.
Why work when you can whine and get it for free?
The drive to create, innovate, invent, build, has gone. Instead we have skinny-jean, chin-bearded punks demanding something for nothing.
They can go rot.
Maybe because the same thing that motivates people today to become billionaires will still apply:
People want more.
originally posted by: TrueBrit
Living now is more expensive than it has ever been in the west, and wages are tracking so far below the cost of actually living, that some poor souls are working three jobs to be able to afford to FAIL to make ends meet. The rule of thumb ought to be that no matter what, if you have work, then you can afford to live. Anything less than that is unacceptable, and always was.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: boncho
Taking CEO money is a pipe dream because for one person it is a lot, but for 130,000 it is 8 cents per hour raise. Take Walmart that evil corp, I personally do not like it nor do I shop there. They are 500 billion gross company that ends up with 5 billion in profit each year, so lets give that profit to the employees. Lets give everyone a 5 dollar an hour raise to help them get closer to that magical living wage level.
5 dollars X 2,000,000 employees = $10,000,000 per hour more
8 hours per day X $10,000,000 = $80,000,000 per day more
Not looking too good
$80,000,000 X 5 days per week = $400,000,000 per week more
uh oh
$400,000,000 X 4 weeks per month = $1.6 billion more per month in wage
$1.6 X 12 months per year= $19.2 billion more per year...oops
Other large retail chains have been the focus of similar reports in recent months. In October, two studies released to coincide showed that American fast food industry outsourced a combined $7 billion in annual labor costs to taxpayers. McDonald MCD +1.67% alone accounted for $1.2 billion of that outlay.
Yum Brands came in at a distant number two, with its Pizza Hut, Taco Bell and KFC subsidiaries costing $648 million in benefits programs for workers each year.
originally posted by: FriedBabelBroccoli
19.2 divided by over 500 billion is less than a 5% increase in gross sales.
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Xtrozero
that's really quite easy...
figure out how much the gov't gives to someone on welfare not working (through hud, through heap, through food stamps ect. to live and use that number. at least get the two lined up and in sync....
back in the nineties it was around $10 an hour for a family of four, only they were turning away people with and income of $9 an hour with a family of five. so well, anyone who was earning $9 an hour were better off just taking that minimum wage job and letting the gov't pick up the slack!!! which is part of the reason we are in the kind of mess we are in now!
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: FriedBabelBroccoli
19.2 divided by over 500 billion is less than a 5% increase in gross sales.
I do not think it is liner in just raising prices by 5% will create 19.2 billion more to pay salaries. If they gross 500 billion but make 5 billion in profit they would need a lot more than 5% because they do not set prices just to screw workers out of income. If they could they would raise prices 20% if people would buy their items...think Whole Foods hehe, so I think they are making all they can already. Increase prices means less sales and so they might just offset or actually lose gross. Boeing makes about 7% profit and everyone in management would give their left nut (if they had a left nut) to get that just to 10%. That is like their next 10 year goal..hehe Walmart is closing centers where higher wages are being forced on them, so once again if they could make profit with those higher wages they would not close them.
The bottom line is if they could get 5% more it would not go to the workers so it is safe to say they can't.
originally posted by: FriedBabelBroccoli
P.S. The bottom 50% of households earn $35,000 or less. I don't know how much you earn, but earning any less than that were I live requires room mates, no car, cheap processed food (or bulk food stuffs), and very little entertainment (which usually stimulates the local economy). Also, forget about ever affording your own house, maybe you can afford a studio with no running water someday.
originally posted by: FriedBabelBroccoli
Like I said, Walmart is a terrible example because they are a terrible company.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: FriedBabelBroccoli
P.S. The bottom 50% of households earn $35,000 or less. I don't know how much you earn, but earning any less than that were I live requires room mates, no car, cheap processed food (or bulk food stuffs), and very little entertainment (which usually stimulates the local economy). Also, forget about ever affording your own house, maybe you can afford a studio with no running water someday.
In the 80s I had roommates until I was in my 30s when I didn't need them anymore. I have found that process foods are not cheap etc, in my other posts can you list what is needed in cost to live on?
35,000 is about 18 per hour for a 40 hour week. So minus taxes you have about 2,500 per month to live on.
Rent 1000 with roommate 500
Food 400 with roommate 300 or less
Expendables 400
What other things am I missing?
originally posted by: dawnstar
but if the social welfare programs are giving out, let's say the equivalent of $10 an hour (pretty sure is it more now really), then aren't they in essence saying that that is how much it costs to live?