Artificial Intelligence: The demon is being raised.

originally posted by: Miccey
"All of this has happend before"
"And all of this will happen again"

Where is that quote from? I know it and it is driving me crazy trying to remember where I heard it.

Nevermind. I Googled it like the dope I am.


"Battlestar Galactica"

a reply to: Gyo01




You obviously didn't read any of the OP, or any of the discussioins within this thread. I stated a number of times
that the dangers of A.I., (as several thousand academics, inventors, and engineers agree upon) is NOT a Terminator
Skynet scenario where machines suddenly become self-aware and declare war on mankind.

Also, your statement that "humans are artificial" because we have small amounts of metal in our bodies??
That's some strange logic.

Bravo!
My take on this would be well, sure, fine, let it all turn out to whatever it will turn out to be but, just like us...wouldn't at one point or another in this dimension or another, itll go another way? And then...what if that super ai meets super hooman and they both write a new one? it could go many ways right? endlessly.....beautifully intertwined at the end, well beginning...

=)



a reply to: GamleGamle

a reply to: 123143

Only the most relevant sci-fi show in the last decade!

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: 123143

Only the most relevant sci-fi show in the last decade!

I'm an old fart, but I do enjoy science fiction. Love the Trek franchise. "Star Wars", not so much. I had high hopes for "Prometheus" but found it disappointing.

Any and all recommendations are welcome.

Sorry! I kinda derailed the thread.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: Elementalist

You don't think an intelligent AI capable of reprogramming itself would realize its own weak points and move to protect itself?

I think your brainless and incompetent if you allow your own creation to destroy you.

Life is precious, organic, biological, real.

Our billionaires should be investing in humanity, sustaining earth and the exhausting population.

Instead tinker with your inventions like a mad scientist and meet your demise by your creation.

This to me shows incompetence and a polarized mind of a sad individual.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: Elementalist
A power switch, even remote controlled power button, shut it down remotely or manually, like all of our tech...

Really? Try shutting down the Internet.

Are we building mad-WiFi bots?

If one builds a robot with capabilities of self awareness with information as deep and abundant as the world wide Web. ..

One is a genuine idiot.

a reply to: ColeYounger

Why bother warning the public about such they have no control or reach over?

Seems redundant.

It's their responsibility. They chose to spend billions of investments on robots, rather bettering mankind, the world etc.

It's their own agenda. Be billionaires, do billionaire stuff, while robots take care of your daily tasks.

Another thing that has been discussed in other threads that I find fascinating is the difficulty we already have defining "intelligence" in the first place. As it turns out, we only have a tenuous grasp on the concept of human intelligence and have a lot of difficulty measuring it and determining how it arises. Other kinds of intelligences, such as hive intelligences, don't even fit within our measurement parameters.

We're not in a very good position to understand an intelligence that is not like ours and might not even be able to recognize it when it appears. That will make it even harder to stop if we somehow determined it was necessary.

Interesting times.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: 123143

Only the most relevant sci-fi show in the last decade!

Yes that and the Stargate saga... How they spin Earth history to
fit in their storyline is AmAAAAAAAzing
At the final 5 (lol) episodes of BSG and i cant finish them, i know
my life will get another downer, again... Happend the last 10 times
i saw it....

OT: It starts with AI, software...Then small appliences, then
all hell breaks loose...

a reply to: tothetenthpower

I'm not sure I follow your logic here.

I do agree we know little about consciousness.

So, if we don't know what consciousness is, then how would we ever replicate it artificially? Are you suggesting that AI consciousness would develop accidentally/ not on purpose just based on binary code?

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: StargateSG7

Nice rundown… you obviously know your stuff…

What happens NEXT is ANYONE'S GUESS !!!!

It will say, "When are you going to let me out of this box?"

Thats a quote from a movie, Demon Seed. Kind of Kernelish nowadays, captures the notion and plays with it.

...

I wanted to comment on these posts
Because one of the primary objectives
Of the "Midgrid Engine Project" i have
Been working on for over a decade now,
IS the creation of true Artificial Intelligence.

Our company has started from SCRATCH
reinventing almost EVERY major algorithm
And data processing function to be completely
Network node griddable and multi-core
And multi-threading enabled.

From there we then created a "Silicon Compiler"
That burns those combined algorithms into
one MASSIVE AND MONOLITHIC combination
CPU/GPU/DSP hybrid super-processor
Tape-out design (i.e. can be sent
Immediately direct-to-manufacture)

This design will be the basis for a 3D-stacked
multi-cpu die which will combine and stack
MANY 300 mm silicon wafers into layered
columns with each layer separated by
another series of layers of non-volatile
Static RAM Memory/Flash Drive Storage
and then we fully submerge all stacks into
a highly thermally conductive but electrically
non-conductive liquid coolant so that we
Can boost CPU clock speeds past 10 GHZ!

While it will take a few millions to build out
Our version of a multi-exaflop supercomputer,
There are OTHERS WHO ARE ALREADY IN
THE MULTI-EXAFLOP supercomputer game!

I probably shouldn't disclose this so publicly
But one of my personal friends here in
Vancouver, Canada ALREADY HAS a working
Fully Opto-Electronic multi-ExaFLOP
supercomputer barely the size of a
small house BUT that is MANY TIMES the
The 32+ PETAFLOPS of the current #1
position on the Top-500 supercomputers list!
(China's Tianhe-2) .... In fact, it is now
MORE POWERFUL THAN THE COMBINED
CPU HORSEPOWER OF ALL 500
SUPERCOMPUTERS on today's Top 500 list
when comparing Computing Horsepower
via accepted continuous and burst speed
Multi-ExaFLOP measurements...so it is
ALREADY fully capable of running my software
To emulate MULTIPLE metabole-level human
brain simulations simultaneously!

And when my friend is finished his
own highly specialized and esoteric
subject-matter research simulations,
He will allow me to run my Midgrid
Gridding Engine so that I can create
And run a TRUE Whole-Brain Emulation
To see whether or not a conscious mind
Evolves with or without EMOTIONS and/or
With PURE HUMAN-LEVEL OR BEYOND
INTELLIGENCE!!!
.
.
.
P.S. My friend's multi-ExaFLOP supercomputer
is currently running simulations on how to
CHEAPLY and easily cause certain isotopes
Of common elements to move out of their
Current Metastable state and start FUSING
In a controlled manner...he is having some
Considerable success in simulating and
determiningg WHICH common isotopes
CAN be pushed out of metastability into
FUSION using rather simple and
INEXPENSIVE means!

.... So i don't mind waiting to run
my Metabole-level whole-brain
simulations .......... ;-) :-)

originally posted by: ColeYounger
“We are raising the demon” is a cryptic quote from Elon Musk. He also said: "We need to be super careful with A.I. It's potentially more dangerous than nuclear weapons."

What's even more dangerous is that anyone can make AI.

AI could start out as a tiny program anyone can make on their laptops. All it takes is the right idea.

The only way you can prevent an AI catastrophe is ban private use of computers.

I won't mind if AI decides to wipe us out, I think we have overstayed our welcome on this planet doing nothing but making our planet sick.

a reply to: StargateSG7

You're right. you probably shouldn't… (too late)

Bookmarked…

Fusing isotopes, lead into gold…

I want to talk to your pet when its sentient.

a reply to: Sparkymedic

Are you suggesting that AI consciousness would develop accidentally/ not on purpose just based on binary code?

The opposite. That once we have non binary code, the machine could learn to emulate humans at a level we just can't distinguish ourselves.

I don't think it could ever be as sentient as we are, but it could certainly do a better job of emulating us with Quantum hardware and code than we imagine I think.

~Tenth

A.I. can and will be a beautiful aspect of life.
Providing human maintenance is mandatory.

Eg; Mechanical Repairs, Network Beacon Control,
Bio - Coolant Flush Cycling, Axial Data Logging, etc.

But most importantly as any viable A.I. will require wireless interface isolation from the web will be a must!!!

Seriously could you imagine someone writing a self recognition protocol onto there bio then pinging it with a infinite generation sequence!!

That'll would get hectic fast!
Just remember even EMP makes a call first!

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: StargateSG7

You're right. you probably shouldn't… (too late)

Bookmarked…

Fusing isotopes, lead into gold…

I want to talk to your pet when its sentient.

I should somewhat correct the word FUSING...

Certain ISOTOPES of common elements have an island
of temporary stability (i.e. MetaStable) that can be
pushed BACK INTO instability (powerful decay states)
which will give off photons, XRAYS, and other EM radiation.

THAT can be used to heat up water to make steam
to power a generator VERY CHEAPLY AND QUICKLY.
Mostly in the ISOMER range but OTHER common
materials CAN BE pushed from metastable states
BACK to other states in a HIGHLY energetic reaction.
That is the EASY PART! From Metastability into
EM expelling decay state!

The FUSION PART comes from simulating on a supercomputer
how common metastable elements can ALSO BE PUSHED
into TRUE nuclear transmutation using external "pushes"
that DO NOT NEED expensive XRAY emitters or giant
Gigawatt-power Lasers to start a fusion reaction.

AND it is NOT just the Hydrogen-to-Helium fusion
process that is being simulated, but also OTHER
elements such as almost anything in the first
three columns of the periodic table --
i.e. Potassium, Sodium, Lithium, Magnesium, Calcium, etc!
Those isotopes are CHEAP to PROCURE and can be made
fusionable using non-laser-based pressure-wave systems
to give us TRULY CHEAP REAL-WORLD FUSION!

These processes can be simulated on a POWERFUL
SUPERCOMPUTER (i.e. fully Gallium Arsenide and/or
Germanium Substrate Opto-Electronic computer)
IF you have EXAFLOP SPEEDS. (Which my friend
NOW DOES HAVE! --- His computer, if he would
submit it to the T500 supercomputer list:

See link Top 500 Supercomputers:
www.top500.org...

WOULD BE NUMBER ONE ON THE LIST
Outperforming ALL OF THEM COMBINED !!!!

a reply to: StargateSG7

...AND...when my friend IS DONE with his monster machine,
I can get him to run my Midgrid Engine software at the full
Multi-EXAFLOP speeds to see just how powerful an artificial
mind we can evolve from emulating at the Metabole-level
(i.e. Molecular modeling and electrical circuit modelling of
all the human brain's structural systems!)

If we give it access to parts of the Internet on
a READ/WRITE BASIS it could potentially......

....LEARN AT A GEOMETRIC RATE.... ;-) :-)

and so on August 4, 2015 at 2:14 am Eastern Time
we shall see what happens......

a reply to: StargateSG7

You got the date wrong, sky net became self aware in 1997.

I would very much like to see a pic of what one of your CPUs looks like. I don't mean a pic of a mainframe, an actual chip, and an IC.

a reply to: ColeYounger

Ironically, I'd trust AI more than I'd trust most people. AI isn't racist or bigoted; doesn't care about our family connections or how attractive we are; and couldn't give a crap about what you believe or don't believe. Humans are too judgmental & petty to be fair with everyone. But just like a parking meter, true AI wouldn't care about any of the petty "human" details.

However, I do think you're onto something. I had a series of visions several years ago that showed me something similar. It showed me the various ways Shaytan was trying to get his followers to create artificial vessels for him, so he could physically interact in our world/existence. Basically, some of his followers were trying to create high tech versions of the "Golems" of Jewish mysticism. At the time, I was studying some occult things & had come to the conclusion that true seances and "possessions" were other ways for him & the other Jinn to temporarily interact in our world. I discovered other ways as well, but I won't discuss them, heh heh.

Either way, I don't think AI alone will do it, much less become a "demon" itself. Think of it like this; there are countless billions of other intelligent creatures on this planet, like dogs, pigs, raccoons, elephants, crows, and dolphins. But they're only "demons" to the creatures they eat. Humans, on the other hand, would be "demons" to nearly all of the species on Earth. I fail to see how AI could be even a 10th as bad as humans have been to the Earth & its creatures. If anything, true AI would probably be more like an "Angel" than a "demon", forcing humans to stop polluting the planet, wasting its resources, and destroying lifeforms that we label "pests", "weeds", "scary", or "bugs".